Shane Pinto's next contract

[aragorn]

I think Pinto gets somewhere between $2 & 2.5 mil most likely for 2 yrs.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Criteria:
- 2005 onwards (Salary Cap world)
- 25 to 49 points in Rookie season
- 17 to 24 goals in Rookie season
- Coming off ELC
- Under 0.75 P/GP
- Under age 24

Notes:
I based contracts on cap% at the time of signing, and applied it to the current 83.500 cap
I'm not sure how to check if any of these were 10.2(c)

Here's the entire list:

	Drafted	G	P	P/GP	Signed
Shane Pinto	32nd Overall	20	35	0.43
Niclas Bergfors	23rd Overall	21	44	0.54	$1,269,200 x 1yrs
Mark Jankowski	21st Overall	17	25	0.35	$1,761,850 x 2yrs
Jason Pominville	55th Overall	18	30	0.53	$1,962,250 x 3yrs
R.J. Umberger	16th Overall	20	38	0.52	$2,179,350 x 2yrs
Connor Brown	156th Overall	20	36	0.44	$2,338,000 x 3yrs
Denis Gurianov	12th Overall	20	29	0.45	$2,613,550 x 2yrs
Chris Kreider	19th Overall	17	37	0.56	$2,997,650 x 2yrs
Brad Marchand	71st Overall	21	41	0.53	$3,248,150 x 2yrs

 

[Big Muddy]

Criteria:
- 2005 onwards (Salary Cap world)
- 25 to 49 points in Rookie season
- 17 to 24 goals in Rookie season
- Coming off ELC
- Under 0.75 P/GP
- Under age 24

Notes:
I based contracts on cap% at the time of signing, and applied it to the current 83.500 cap
I'm not sure how to check if any of these were 10.2(c)

Here's the entire list:

	Drafted	G	P	P/GP	Signed
Shane Pinto	32nd Overall	20	35	0.43
Niclas Bergfors	23rd Overall	21	44	0.54	$1,269,200 x 1yrs
Mark Jankowski	21st Overall	17	25	0.35	$1,761,850 x 2yrs
Jason Pominville	55th Overall	18	30	0.53	$1,962,250 x 3yrs
R.J. Umberger	16th Overall	20	38	0.52	$2,179,350 x 2yrs
Connor Brown	156th Overall	20	36	0.44	$2,338,000 x 3yrs
Denis Gurianov	12th Overall	20	29	0.45	$2,613,550 x 2yrs
Chris Kreider	19th Overall	17	37	0.56	$2,997,650 x 2yrs
Brad Marchand	71st Overall	21	41	0.53	$3,248,150 x 2yrs

The most relevant part would be to list the 10.2.c contracts that were signed with teams that had very tight cap constraints.

 

[KevinRedkey]

The most relevant part would be to list the 10.2.c contracts that were signed with teams that had very tight cap constraints.

I don't know how to check that as CapFriendly doesn't seem to list it.

If someone understands 10.2(c) games played better than I do, it's probably easy enough to decider though? Not sure.

Bergfors at a tad under 1.300 for 1yr is encouraging though.

 

[Micklebot]

I don't know how to check that as CapFriendly doesn't seem to list it.

If someone understands 10.2(c) games played better than I do, it's probably easy enough to decider though? Not sure.

Bergfors at a tad under 1.300 for 1yr is encouraging though.

Bergfors would have been a 10.2(c) RFA. I believe the rest met the professional seasons requirements to be typical RFA.

Edit: Nevermind, I think Bergfors had enough Pro seasons too. I don't think any of those guys were 10.2(c)

 

[KevinRedkey]

Bergfors would have been a 10.2(c) RFA. I believe the rest met the professional seasons requirements to be typical RFA.

Edit: Nevermind, I think Bergfors had enough Pro seasons too. I don't think any of those guys were 10.2(c)

If that's the case then Pinto is the only player to score near 20 goals while being a 10.2(c). He has no real comparables. The ones I listed are the closest but not quite the same.

 

[Qward]

are we waiting on Murray to decide pinto?

 

[Micklebot]

are we waiting on Murray to decide pinto?

Might be that Pinto is waiting on Murray to decide on Pinto. Right now, the Sens can say they can't afford to give him what he wants and fill out the roster, if Murray gets bought out, he can push a bit harder for a couple extra 100k

 

[stempniaksen]

It's not an apples to apples comparison, but Cam York just got 2x$1.6 in Philly as a 10.2(c) RFA

Cam York (D): 22 years old, 87 games, 30 points
Shane Pinto: 22 years old, 99 games, 42 points

York got squeezed pretty good and I'm honestly not sure where people think Pinto is getting the leverage for $2.5+ million. Obviously if PD can move out some money and can lock him into more term it might be ideal, but I also see a world where he sings 1x$1.5-$1.75.

 

[Ice-Tray]

With Pinto I suspect that we’ll tread lightly and let him know that this is just a cap crunch year. I would prefer a one year deal that helps us through and then a long term deal that is mutually beneficial based on what he’s able to show this year on top of last year.

 

[aragorn]

It's not an apples to apples comparison, but Cam York just got 2x$1.6 in Philly as a 10.2(c) RFA

Cam York (D): 22 years old, 87 games, 30 points
Shane Pinto: 22 years old, 99 games, 42 points

York got squeezed pretty good and I'm honestly not sure where people think Pinto is getting the leverage for $2.5+ million. Obviously if PD can move out some money and can lock him into more term it might be ideal, but I also see a world where he sings 1x$1.5-$1.75.

He did step up & play the 2nd line C role when Norris went down & did fairly well as basically a rookie centre. It's not very often a rookie plays C in the top six, usually they are exceptional players. I'm not saying he is exceptional, but he has a lot of good traits that good centres have.

He has good size for a centre, he has a very good hard shot, , good hockey IQ, he hits, he is good at faceoffs, he is a good two way centre & plays well defensively & on the PK. He also filled in on the PP. It's more likely he gets bridged & it will probably be at a salary they can afford after they add another top 9 player would be my guess & that could be around $2.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

He did step up & play the 2nd line C role when Norris went down & did fairly well as basically a rookie centre. It's not very often a rookie plays C in the top six, usually they are exceptional players. I'm not saying he is exceptional, but he has a lot of good traits that good centres have.

He has good size for a centre, he has a very good hard shot, , good hockey IQ, he hits, he is good at faceoffs, he is a good two way centre & plays well defensively & on the PK. He also filled in on the PP. It's more likely he gets bridged & it will probably be at a salary they can afford after they add another top 9 player would be my guess & that could be around $2.

2m is good value for a 3C who is going to be relied on to be very good. That 3rd line is important and he is an important piece on it.
Cam York is a maybe.

 

[Big Muddy]

I don't know how to check that as CapFriendly doesn't seem to list it.

If someone understands 10.2(c) games played better than I do, it's probably easy enough to decider though? Not sure.

Bergfors at a tad under 1.300 for 1yr is encouraging though.

If you go to CapFriendly, it has some calculations based on 10.2.c that are specific to Pinto.

Or, you could go back to post #15 and click on the 2nd url.

 

[stempniaksen]

Cam York is a maybe.

Shane Pinto is every bit the maybe that York is, despite our collective hopes. It’s the reason the team is in a position to squeeze him on a short term deal.

If every 100k is going to count this season he’s unfortunately the one who is going to need to take a haircut.

 

[Big Muddy]

It's not an apples to apples comparison, but Cam York just got 2x$1.6 in Philly as a 10.2(c) RFA

Cam York (D): 22 years old, 87 games, 30 points
Shane Pinto: 22 years old, 99 games, 42 points

York got squeezed pretty good and I'm honestly not sure where people think Pinto is getting the leverage for $2.5+ million. Obviously if PD can move out some money and can lock him into more term it might be ideal, but I also see a world where he sings 1x$1.5-$1.75.

I've been saying for months that he'll get about $1.5 - $1.6 m.

The 2nd url in Post #15 links to a CapFriendly calculation for Pinto's 10.2.c.

 

[KnuckChuckinTkachuk]

Ideally it would be 2 years x 1.8mil but I think it's possible that 2.75mil per year is the higher end of the spectrum.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Shane Pinto is every bit the maybe that York is, despite our collective hopes. It’s the reason the team is in a position to squeeze him on a short term deal.

If every 100k is going to count this season he’s unfortunately the one who is going to need to take a haircut.

He needs to get a 1 year to get over the hump here (if Sens want to continue to add) ..
He has no leverage. I think 2m on a 1 year is ok. They may try to squeeze him more. I would stay at 1 year if I am Pinto. 20 goals as a rookie..

 

[Micklebot]

I've been saying for months that he'll get about $1.5 - $1.6 m.

The 2nd url in Post #15 links to a CapFriendly calculation for Pinto's 10.2.c.

I think it would be a calc of his QO not a 10.2c (10.2c doesn't have a calculation)

 

[Micklebot]

He needs to get a 1 year to get over the hump here (if Sens want to continue to add) ..
He has no leverage. I think 2m on a 1 year is ok. They may try to squeeze him more. I would stay at 1 year if I am Pinto. 20 goals as a rookie..

Hoffman got the equivalent of a 1 yr 2.3 mil deal (adjusted for the current cap) in arbitration coming off a 48pt 27 g season as a rookie (actually, I think he might have lost his rookie status just barely).

I don't see any world in which Pinto gets 2 mil unless we're giving him some term. He has significantly less leverage and significantly less performance.

 

[BUCKLE UP]

I'm gonna guess we get lucky with his contract and it's gonna be 3 years, 1.9 per.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I'm gonna guess we get lucky with his contract and it's gonna be 3 years, 1.9 per.

In what world will he get 1.9? lol

 

[Big Muddy]

I think it would be a calc of his QO not a 10.2c (10.2c doesn't have a calculation)

Ya, you're right. It says that in the title - ooof. Is that dated info as well? I couldn't tell.

 

[DylanSensFan]

He is going to end up with a bridge deal between 2.5 and 3 million per for 2 years is my guess. Sens are going to have 0 depth this year. Really have to hope players like Pinto, Stutzle, Sanderson and Brannstrom take another big step in development. Big bounce back years from Batherson and Chabot. Have to hope that Greig, Sokolov, JBD and Jarventie are NHL players or atleast can push for NHL spots.

You have to consider our players developing internally. We come into the season with a much better D corps than last season. I also believe we have a much better goaltending situation. Our bottom 6 needs to shape out a little bit more, but that could come from within our AHL/NHL team. Speaking of depth, Pinto can basically slot in anywhere on our roster in the forward ranks. I just hope we can hang on to him.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[Mingus Dew]

You have to consider our players developing internally. We come into the season with a much better D corps than last season. I also believe we have a much better goaltending situation. Our bottom 6 needs to shape out a little bit more, but that could come from within our AHL/NHL team. Speaking of depth, Pinto can basically slot in anywhere on our roster in the forward ranks. I just hope we can hang on to him.

We as Sens fans have been hearing this for what feels like a decade. I have very little faith that our current pool of AHLers will provide useful depth this year. We need the big boys to keep improving and then we need to pray for minimal injury.