Confirmed with Link: Shane Doan named Assistant General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs

[AZDesertKnight]

Alex Meruelo Jr didn't want Doan part of the organization to begin with.

 

[hbk]

A lot of stupidity is more like it.

it's an emotional time for folks here so you need to be a tad understanding. Shane Doan is beloved and there is huge fear of the team relocating to a new market. We as a fanbase are still reeling from the results of the Tempe vote and are stuck in a period where we hope a local option is found and that the team isn't just giving us lipservice and that this season may be a lame duck season that ends with moving trucks to Salt Lake City or Atlanta or some other market where for a lot of people here their fandom for this franchise will end. I've been through it before in Winnipeg and I get it. Rationale thought isn't going to happen when you are already fearing the worst.

 

[Heldig]

FFS.

Very hard to have any optimism for this franchise.

 

[87turbobuick]

Or not. Depends on what happens in TO. I doubt we ever see Doan again in any Coyote FO position.

Good.

 

[LittlePipes]

I’m a huge Doan fan and very happy for him. I could maybe even root for the Leafs as a result of him being there. But Doan leaving the Yotes org is like the cherry on top of this entire fubar known as the Arizona Coyotes. I will be at the mullett next season, as I’ve already paid for seats, but I’m 99.9% convinced the Yotes are already gone. Sad, but it’s gonna happen. And, well, it’s the deserved result.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

It’s one thing to have a title and another to have a real position.

Well, he's officially the "Special Advisor to the GM" in Toronto, so go figure.

 

[TheLegend]

Well, he's officially the "Special Advisor to the GM" in Toronto, so go figure.

Which leads to the old question....

What's in a name??

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Which leads to the old question....

What's in a name??

Let's be honest. His role is "Brad's Buddy" more than anything else. Doesn't matter in the grand scheme, though, because Treliving will let Shane do real work in Toronto, while Armstrong wasn't about to give Doan much authority for what was obviously a ceremonial post engineered by an owner who needed a PR win.

 

[cobra427]

The worry with AT is Doan is the guy who brought him in the coach the gold medal winning team Canada. I bet he will have a hell of a pitch to his buddy Traveling who is now the GM of the Leafs.
So yeah, when AT's contract is up at the end of the year there's a good chance the Leafs make him an offer he can't refuse, which would absolutely SUCK. Do you think otherwise, or have any reason not to think this could happen? Otherwise I agree with you, BA's group wasn't exactly giving Shane a position to succeed outside of drafting his kid in the 2nd.


Lol of all the posted to respond this way to. You do it to the one most.aligned with your own view point. You crack me up.

Edit: guess I crack myself up, misread your post. Carry on Jakey!

I think the Coyotes have a young team that got better because young players get better, how much AT had to do with that is up for debate. We went from 57 to 70 points. If we post 95 points and make the playoffs, then AT will be in higher demand. Let’s say we get to 83 points, another 13 point improvement. I don’t think there will be a line to hire AT. He isn’t proven yet, young players do get better. We have not over achieved with AT yet.

I am not down on AT, I think he has done a good job given his circumstance. If he leaves, there will be a line of good young coaches like him looking for an opportunity. I highly doubt a pressure cooker like Toronto is going to hire an unproven NHL coach. Tip is more likely to be hired or another experience retread than AT. The Coyotes can wait until mid year to extend him, see how things go, no rush.

 

[hbk]

I think the Coyotes have a young team that got better because young players get better, how much AT had to do with that is up for debate. We went from 57 to 70 points. If we post 95 points and make the playoffs, then AT will be in higher demand. Let’s say we get to 83 points, another 13 point improvement. I don’t think there will be a line to hire AT. He isn’t proven yet, young players do get better. We have not over achieved with AT yet.

I am not down on AT, I think he has done a good job given his circumstance. If he leaves, there will be a line of good young coaches like him looking for an opportunity. I highly doubt a pressure cooker like Toronto is going to hire an unproven NHL coach. Tip is more likely to be hired or another experience retread than AT. The Coyotes can wait until mid year to extend him, see how things go, no rush.

why would you chance it when you know Doan absolutely is a believer and will be very vocal about it? Extend him this summer. He's earned it.

 

[cobra427]

In Toronto, Doan will have real say over hockey decisions and be an insider. In AX, because of BA, Doan would always be an outsider with no real say in hockey decisions. BA wasn’t about to give Doan any authority, he could be grooming his own replacement. From players, who will eventually be all gone form the Chaya era to staff that are all gone, this incudes Doan. BA wants total control, it would be dangerous for his job security if Doan had any power in the organization, no way BA would let that happen.

 

[hbk]

In Toronto, Doan will have real say over hockey decisions and be an insider. In AX, because of BA, Doan would always be an outsider with no real say in hockey decisions. BA wasn’t about to give Doan any authority, he could be grooming his own replacement. From players, who will eventually be all gone form the Chaya era to staff that are all gone, this incudes Doan. BA wants total control, it would be dangerous for his job security if Doan had any power in the organization, no way BA would let that happen.

Look at the transactions we are making and ask yourself if that is the type of thing Doan has expertise in and/or is interested in. Do you think he wants to figure out how to improve the Leafs top 4 defense or figure out which goalie off the waiver wire is going to replace Ingram or whether he thinks we should trade a 7th round pick to pick up a cap hit to ensure we hit the cap floor? What's more interesting? Which one would you want to be part of given a choice?

 

[cobra427]

why would you chance it when you know Doan absolutely is a believer and will be very vocal about it? Extend him this summer. He's earned it.

If BA extends AT now, what happens if the team gets 65-70 points or less next year and doesn’t improve? If he doesn’t extend him, BA can blame AT and let him walk versus an extension, which makes it look more like it is BAs fault. BA can wait until mid year to decide, that’s why.

Look at the transactions we are making and ask yourself if that is the type of thing Doan has expertise in and/or is interested in. Do you think he wants to figure out how to improve the Leafs top 4 defense or figure out which goalie off the waiver wire is going to replace Ingram or whether he thinks we should trade a 7th round pick to pick up a cap hit to ensure we hit the cap floor? What's more interesting? Which one would you want to be part of given a choice?

Doan loves AZ, he would rather be here is my guess, but not as an ambassador without any input.

 

[hbk]

If BA extends AT now, what happens if the team gets 65-70 points or less next year and doesn’t improve? If he doesn’t extend him, BA can blame AT and let him walk versus an extension, which makes it look more like it is BAs fault. BA can wait until mid year to decide, that’s why.

we pick in the top 3 and we go another year with AT. I'm not saying give him a lifetime deal here. I'm saying he earned a 2-3 year extension so he's not a lame duck coach. If he's earned it (and I say he has) then give it to him.

 

[TheLegend]

PHNX Coyotes discussing Shane Doan now....

 

[TheLegend]

Statements from Alex Meruelo and Shane Doan...

Coyotes Statement on Shane Doan | Arizona Coyotes

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Friday, June 9, 2023SCOTTSDALE, ARIZONA - The Arizona Coyotes issued the following statements today regarding Shane Doan joining the Toronto Maple Leafs.

www.nhl.com

 

[Mosby]

So Treliving’s first move was to hire a friend? Was there an interview process? Were there any other candidates?

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

You know when you consider the law of averages, you would think eventually something remotely positive would happen to this franchise

 

[TheLegend]

You know when you consider the law of averages, you would think eventually something remotely positive would happen to this franchise

I consider our GM and HC to be positive things.

20+ years of playing the red headed stepchild for the league has everyone on edge about everything else and it’s difficult to overcome that.

 

[Brobust]

Alex Meruelo Jr didn't want Doan part of the organization to begin with.

I believe it was pushed on Chayka but it felt like the Coyotes really didn't want Doan in any capacity.

 

[TheLegend]

I believe it was pushed on Chayka but it felt like the Coyotes really didn't want Doan in any capacity.

It was the current ownership that brought him back into the franchise three years ago after the previous one unceremoniously pushed him out the door.

The Coyotes are not kicking Doan to the curb here. They just don’t have a position available that he wants without further disrupting the hockey ops department.

But if Brad Treliving hadn’t been named GM in Toronto, then he probably wouldn’t be going there

 

[Dirty Old Man]

(4 pages and I didn't see with that job title one mention of Dwight Schrute?)

 

[AZviaNJ]

Let's be honest. His role is "Brad's Buddy" more than anything else. Doesn't matter in the grand scheme, though, because Treliving will let Shane do real work in Toronto, while Armstrong wasn't about to give Doan much authority for what was obviously a ceremonial post engineered by an owner who needed a PR win.

His role is exclusively to get Matthews to re-sign.

Pass/fail

 

[rt]

Good interview.

 

[Jakey53]

it's an emotional time for folks here so you need to be a tad understanding. Shane Doan is beloved and there is huge fear of the team relocating to a new market. We as a fanbase are still reeling from the results of the Tempe vote and are stuck in a period where we hope a local option is found and that the team isn't just giving us lipservice and that this season may be a lame duck season that ends with moving trucks to Salt Lake City or Atlanta or some other market where for a lot of people here their fandom for this franchise will end. I've been through it before in Winnipeg and I get it. Rationale thought isn't going to happen when you are already fearing the worst.

Us fans have been through this for the last twenty years, and whenever something happens, or someone posts or what they have heard or read and post it here, this board goes crazy. Social media has made most of us incompetent or too lazy to use our own brain. This team is not moving. Do you think they want another Atlanta situation on their hands were they leave and come back, leave again, and now want to come back? The NHL has invested to much money and time to move the team now. As you know, as most others, the NHL makes much more $$$ on expansion than relocation. I believe the NHL is very happy with AM and they will do everything imaginable to help him.