Shanahan gone?

[Stephen]

He's gone. It's just a formality at this point. Not only that, but I doubt he ever works in a teams front office ever again. He probably returns to the NHL head office in some capacity.

Maybe he goes to the Red Wings and replaces the Yzerplan? As dead end as this Toronto era seems to be, there are worse outcomes to a rebuild…

 

[TMLegend]

Maybe he goes to the Red Wings and replaces the Yzerplan? As dead end as this Toronto era seems to be, there are worse outcomes to a rebuild…

Looking back on his tenure I have no idea why any team would hire him to oversee their hockey operations. No exaggeration, he's overseen quite possibly the greatest era of futility relative to expectations in NHL history while being extremely resistant to change every step of the way despite overwhelming evidence that this vision of a team doesn't work. To me a good leader needs to be willing to admit they're wrong and pivot accordingly. Also, don't forget, he was going to re-sign Dubas to an extension had he not made a powerplay for his position, further showcasing his resistance to change.

It's a shame really. I thought he did great work early in his tenure by commiting to a rebuild and getting respected personnel in Lou Lam and Babcock to oversee the early development. I feel like the entire program went off the rails in hindsight when they tried to reinvent the wheel and he hired Dubas has Lou's successor.

 

[hotpaws]

should have been fired the second he went to the board and informed them he intended to promote Dubas

 

[Peasy]

Looking back on his tenure I have no idea why any team would hire him to oversee their hockey operations. No exaggeration, he's overseen quite possibly the greatest era of futility relative to expectations in NHL history while being extremely resistant to change every step of the way despite overwhelming evidence that this vision of a team doesn't work. To me a good leader needs to be willing to admit they're wrong and pivot accordingly. Also, don't forget, he was going to re-sign Dubas to an extension had he not made a powerplay for his position, further showcasing his resistance to change.

Show me a bigger group of losers in ANY sport, at any point in time.

This core truly is a one-of-a-kind, and not in a good way. And shanny has done everything in his power to keep it status quo.

 

[ITM]

Looking back on his tenure I have no idea why any team would hire him to oversee their hockey operations. No exaggeration, he's overseen quite possibly the greatest era of futility relative to expectations in NHL history while being extremely resistant to change every step of the way despite overwhelming evidence that this vision of a team doesn't work. To me a good leader needs to be willing to admit they're wrong and pivot accordingly. Also, don't forget, he was going to re-sign Dubas to an extension had he not made a powerplay for his position, further showcasing his resistance to change.

I think that does his tenure a disservice because there are two key factors behind the two most vital pieces to the championship puzzle that dissolved like an infinity gauntlet snap, in which we could reasonably accord Shanahan invincible ignorance:

(1) Lou Lamoriello (the man who drafted him and created the Devils' dynasty) endorsed Dubas and said it was a question of when, not if, he was hired quickly as a GM elsewhere. Add to that that Dubas (and Keefe) just won an AHL championship and add to that that Colorado (i.e. Sakic) requested a meeting with Dubas about hiring him. Those are factors any sane manager would look at, pause on, and decide keeping your of-the-moment, highly desirable and successful asset is the only reasonable decision.

(2) Auston Matthews: Your 1/1, 1C generational goal-scorer gradually sequences a reveal of unforeseen proportion. It's his youth; Keeps scoring goals. It's the championship veteran laden teams we're losing to; He wins Rockets. It's injuries and timing and the coach; He extends, is given the C and in the last year of Shanahan's contract, seems to have declined to unimagined mediocrity.

To add a third:

When Shanahan fired Dubas, that wasn't showcasing a resistance to change, that showcased that when presented with new information, Shanahan was willing to make the difficult decision and come to the only reasonable conclusion. Precisely what we want in competent managers.

If he leaves, I'm not blaming the man for a series of completely reasonable events in the sequence that the best of hockey managerial minds (See Lamoriello's endorsement) would have made.

The links in between: Hiring Tavares when we didn't need to but had opportunity and at a discount, was also connected to reasonably unforeseeable events (i.e Covid and cap constrictions); Expending 1sts for short-term gain because that's what the core needed, etc, etc...also play a factor, but again, it's the "Shanaplan" or the "Yzerplan" and I don't think we'd be happy with that here either.

Tulsky in Carolina has a fantastic mix of veteran depth, war chest, deep assets, and best of all, repeat contention. And to make matters worse, he like Dubas, is a stats champion. We just got the wrong one.

And by the look of the 2016 draft, we might have got the wrong one then too. Is it worth investing hope in our present GM, who picked the right guy, tried to extend him but was then forced to move him? If it is, we can thank Shanahan for that. Or if we'd prefer a different cause, we don't have to thank him. But we should.

 

[Dayjobdave]

George Parros will be introduced July 1.

Be careful of what you speak...

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Maybe he goes to the Red Wings and replaces the Yzerplan? As dead end as this Toronto era seems to be, there are worse outcomes to a rebuild…

What really worries me is that we will never actually do a full rebuild after this core is done. Rogers buying the team outright was something I think will end up putting us back into the days of the Teacher pension fund ownership where they just wanted to eek into the playoffs for a few home gates and didn't care to actually win (not that we are THAT much different now). I see the blue jays have the same GM and President that have presided over hope for almost 10yrs and they still have their jobs....man...are we screwed if they go the same route.

 

[Action Jackson]

Shanahan is crap this team could have had the best rebuild in the league and him and his puppet dubas f***ed it all up

 

[ACC1224]

What really worries me is that we will never actually do a full rebuild after this core is done. Rogers buying the team outright was something I think will end up putting us back into the days of the Teacher pension fund ownership where they just wanted to eek into the playoffs for a few home gates and didn't care to actually win (not that we are THAT much different now). I see the blue jays have the same GM and President that have presided over hope for almost 10yrs and they still have their jobs....man...are we screwed if they go the same route.

Why would any Ownership make that their mandate?

 

[New User Name]

Shanny should have been gone before Dubas. Dubas was the fall guy. (and I didn't like Dubas)

 

[Confucius]

Dubas, Keefe and Shanahan should have all been fired after losing to the Habs.

Shanny's legacy will be the number of jerseys sold while he was in charge.

Funny but it was the Habs that cleaned house after beating us.

 

[francis246]

Yes, his contract is up. They are eliminating that position and Treliving will get a promotion (no raise). We knew this, has nothing to do with what's going on or else he would've been gone 5 years ago. We're not here to sell jerseys, this year is different, Matthews isn't a coward, etc., etc.

Been saying this for the last two years. Treliving will be the next president of hockey operations for the maple leafs. I’d assume one of Ryan Hardy or Brandon Pridham will be the next GM.

 

[Donnie740]

Mirtle amd Seigel hint at him out.

The Dubas Fan Boi Club founders still carrying a grudge two years later.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Why would any Ownership make that their mandate?

Why did all the previous GM's never do a complete rebuild? They weren't allowed to...

 

[Menzinger]

His contract is set to expire in a few months and there's been zero hint of an extension. He's also clearly been far less physically present at Scotia Bank Arena the last 2-3 seasons. Mirtle also seemed to hint last summer he was on thin ice, though he also suggested Shanny may not even want an extension.

What's frustrating is that if/when he leaves,.the team will still have a GM who was brought in to finish his vision. And while I've been fine with Tre for the most part, his legacy is still going to keep shaping the team

 

[Rare Jewel]

What's frustrating is that if/when he leaves,.the team will still have a GM who was brought in to finish his vision. And while I've been done with Tre for the most part, his legacy is still going to keep shaping the team

If this goes the way that line of thinking would be in response to, I think you've got to make a pretty bold call on the management side as well.

 

[colchar]

What did he do anyway ?

Well he did Craig Janney's wife.

 

[ToneDog]

Funny but it was the Habs that cleaned house after beating us.

Yeah they were who we thought they were. A bottom feeder.

 

[Menzinger]

 

[keonsbitterness]

He's alive!!!

 

[kevsh]

Yeah, he looks like a guy who knows that all this win means is that he's got another week or so to save his job.

 

[Seras]

Many people here clearly either forgot what it was like pre Shanahan or weren't watching then