TV: Severance - Apple TV

It's hard to imagine where they go in S3 that makes sense, but I said the same thing after S1 and they seemed to have made it work. Agree with everyone else re: the common criticisms of this season.

Glad to hear they have things mapped out to an extent. Though as much as I love the show I somewhat hope they don't go past 3 seasons, 4 max. I feel like eventually you reach a point where quality can dip in service to manufacturing plot.
Unbelievable thrill ride of an episode and a surprising amount of humor for such a high stakes episode.
Regarding your 3rd and last paragraphs...
creepy guy on the bottom floor already hints at this strongly with "you'll kill them all."
It seems like the show is at least honest enough that a lot of peeps were able to accurately predict the reveals of the season, so things are all done with intention (hell, even in S1, the goat guy's comment alludes to what we figured and now know was a sacrafice). Obviously that does seem too on the nose, to an extent, in terms of a harbinger, but I wouldn't at all be surprised with the endgame for this show being, uh, not exactly happy.
 
one issue i had with the episode, and i've expressed this to @HanSolo separately - At no point in the show do they mention that severed employees aren't uniformly severed. Why didn't Mark change when he went into the Cold Harbor room? it seems as though if there's certain rooms you'd be programmed to, the Birthing Retreat room wouldn't be one of them. In fact, the last person who would be programmed to change in the birthing retreat would be a man who works on the severed floor. Unless i missed something, it feels like a bit of a plot hole.
 
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one issue i had with the episode, and i've expressed this to @HanSolo separately - At no point in the show do they mention that severed employees aren't uniformly severed. Why didn't Mark change when he went into the Cold Harbor room? it seems as though if there's certain rooms you'd be programmed to, the Birthing Retreat room wouldn't be one of them. In fact, the last person who would be programmed to change in the birthing retreat would be a man who works on the severed floor. Unless i missed something, it feels like a bit of a plot hole.
I think it can be rationalized that there's just a general Severance chip, and Gemma has an experimental one that activates differently in all the different rooms. That's why she doesn't change into Miss Casey when leaving the Cold Harbor room - that base level of Severance from Mark S and Miss Casey only kicks in on the Severed floor, and presumably the birthing retreat has that same level of Severed access. But these are things the show should show the audience, rather than leave up to the imagination of the viewers to fill in.

Still a great finale though. I do really wonder which version of Helly / Helena was in the hallway at the end. It really seemed like Helly... But that slight smirk she gave to Gemma is making me doubt everything.

Also, Mark S was a total hero this episode. He got his ass kicked to save a woman he doesn't even really know, literally risked life and limb, and when he had a chance for a clean escape to experience reintegrated life he refused to take it so he could try and rescue the woman he loves as well as liberate his fellow innies. Narratively I see why fans are mad at him, but he did everything right based on his own intuitions and motivations.

That, and Cold Harbor wasn't able to prevent the blank slate Gemma from trusting her husband, but Severed Mark still wanted to go his own way rather than be with his outie's wife to be with the woman he, Innie Mark, loves. In both cases love found a way. Fantastic writing and storytelling.
 
Just started watching the finale and I can’t believe I never noticed this before but Adam Scott bears an amazing resemblance to a young Alan Alda. He even sounds a bit like him.
I noticed the same thing, but mostly when watching Outie Mark, who's unshaven and more casual than suit-and-tie Innie Mark. Adam Scott looks like a more compact, less handsome version of Alda.

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It's hard to imagine where they go in S3 that makes sense, but I said the same thing after S1 and they seemed to have made it work. Agree with everyone else re: the common criticisms of this season.

Glad to hear they have things mapped out to an extent. Though as much as I love the show I somewhat hope they don't go past 3 seasons, 4 max. I feel like eventually you reach a point where quality can dip in service to manufacturing plot.

Regarding your 3rd and last paragraphs...
creepy guy on the bottom floor already hints at this strongly with "you'll kill them all."
It seems like the show is at least honest enough that a lot of peeps were able to accurately predict the reveals of the season, so things are all done with intention (hell, even in S1, the goat guy's comment alludes to what we figured and now know was a sacrafice). Obviously that does seem too on the nose, to an extent, in terms of a harbinger, but I wouldn't at all be surprised with the endgame for this show being, uh, not exactly happy.
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I think what Dr. Mauer meant was leaving would mean killing all 25, 26 if you count Ms. Casey, of Gemma's innies. In a weird way Dr. Mauer was like those innies' father but also like...wanted to find love with at least one of them?

I'm going to kind of continue the conversation @Sombastate and I were having by elaborating on my thinking. My interpretation of the way the testing floor worked is there's a difference between the Severance doors on the testing floor and those on the severed floor/birthing cabin. I think each of the doors MDR helped prepare are specifically and separately coded to unlock a part of Gemma's chip for a different innie that can only exist on the testing floor. Like if Gemma went into the birthing cabin from the finale, she would revert to Ms. Casey, not one of her 25 other innies (or all of them at once which would probably overload her brain and kill her). To put it a different way, I think innies like Ms. Casey, Mark S., Helly, etc. are what could be considered generation 1 innies, while Gemma's innies are generation 2, and generation 2 is still in the development stage and can only exist on the testing floor. I think that's what Dr. Mauer means. If they take Gemma from the testing floor and she never returns, all those innies effectively die.


From there, whether the end goal was having Gemma's testing floor innies replicated for the anti pain/trauma/discomfort Severance chip the show was implying was the purpose of the experiments so those innies could serve as generic blank slates to be be the ones to endure the pain and suffering of the general public, I don't know. Part of me thinks that's implausible since an innie is still a construct of an individual's own psychological wiring. I would think that overwriting 25 versions of another person into a different person's brain would result in psychological chaos if not driving people to sheer insanity. But I don't know how else we were supposed to interpret Dr. Mauer telling Gemma that "you will see the world again and the world will see you"

But the point may be moot if they can't get Gemma and her chip back.

In any case, maybe there's a double meaning and he's thinking long term that if Gemma and her story are leveraged to destroy Lumon, it would mean the end of the lives of the innies, the way i!Mark speculated. The thing is, we have two seasons of this show not quite being Game of Thrones, as in, while bad things happen to these characters it's never quite as tragic as the worst possible outcome (e.g. Ned's death, the Red Wedding, Tyrion losing trial by combat, etc.)

I think bad things are still to come for the innies and outies and there will be continued struggle and conflict with Lumon, but I feel like Lumon mass wiping the innies is a bit too dark an outcome for this show. Maybe it happens as the season 3 big finale moment, but my expectation is that the eventual compromise solution is that the good guys will find a way to reintegrate everyone who severed. In a way, that's a loss for the innies because they lose their unique and separate identities and autonomy over their separate lives. But if an innie decides to live in perpetuity as their innie selves, then that just kills their outies and I can't see this show taking the moral stance that outies deserve to die as penance for creating the innies in the first place. Reintegration was introduced as a concept for a reason and I think that's the endgame. Convincing innies and outies alike that Severed existence is not feasible and that they should reintegrate to make their two halves whole.
 
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