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I think one of the most intriguing unknowns at this point(And there's still so many its honestly crazy), is who has Irving been talking to on the payphone?

I feel like that's going to prove to be extremely significant and I've seen a bunch of theories as to who it could be but there's so many that make sense that its gonna be really interesting to see who it actually is and the significance of it.

The dynamic between the innies right now is also so well done and the way they're incorporating that with Marks reintegration so far has been absolutely brilliant writing and even better acting. I'm fully expecting this series to absolutely clean up at the award shows this year.

Just such a good show. Extremely intelligent writing matched with equally top tier acting is a hard duo to match.
 
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Love the recap!

I don't trust Outie Burt. Yes, Walken plays him immaculately, and he seemed so vulnerable when talking to Irving. But what if he's just luring Outie Burt to his doom? We saw the death of Innie Irv last week, but as viewers we know his Outie is alive and well. It would be the ultimate gut punch if they killed off his Outie as well, truly killing the character off.

I also wonder why the man from the bottom floor was whistling The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald at the beginning. Foreshadowing of the total shipwreck that Cold Harbor may turn out to be?
I could maybe see that but it feels like there's too much smoke around outie Irving investigating Lumon for him to just die, as a fan favorite character, before anything materially comes of it. I mean he has files on severed employees, he's reporting to someone unrevealed who he's told "my innie got the message" and "they fired me". Personally I think they're working towards reintegrated Mark and outie Irving working together. Maybe Burt is an outie spy for Lumon or maybe he hopes giving dirt on him to Lumon will get him his job back, and maybe that will end in severe consequences to outie Irving but I can't see it happening any time soon. Or who knows? Maybe he'll get to close to the truth and have an unfortunate car "accident". If you or others haven't read the Lexington Letter (written by Ben Stiller as a supplement to the show) and don't mind a *little* insight into the Lumon mysteries and a potential hint of why Gemma became Ms. Casey, you should check it out.

As for the song could be any number of reasons, my guess is it's basic doom and gloom. The employee is predicting that everything is going to go to shit for the severed employees. Not necessarily with Cold Harbor
 
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I think one of the most intriguing unknowns at this point(And there's still so many its honestly crazy), is who has Irving been talking to on the payphone?

I feel like that's going to prove to be extremely significant and I've seen a bunch of theories as to who it could be but there's so many that make sense that its gonna be really interesting to see who it actually is and the significance of it.

The dynamic between the innies right now is also so well done and the way they're incorporating that with Marks reintegration so far has been absolutely brilliant writing and even better acting. I'm fully expecting this series to absolutely clean up at the award shows this year.

Just such a good show. Extremely intelligent writing matched with equally top tier acting is a hard duo to match.
Britt Lower in particular has been outstanding in both seasons. There's subtle differences between Helena and Helly in posture, manner, affect, expressions but there's still a lot that's shared between the two. Helly still has to be performed as the same general identity as Helena just one that isn't under the pressure of being the "ceo in waiting" of a cult like corporation or affected by years of brainwashing that must have come from growing up Eagan.

The way Helena talks about the innies being animals after two attempts on her life is more or less the same way Helly R. talks about her imprisonment as an innie. Just like both Helena and Helly R. are revolted by the idea of their counterpart hijacking their body. Part of that is writing, but Lower's performance sells it so well.

On a similar note, Adam Scott has done a phenomenal job distinguishing between his outie who remains depressed and traumatized by the death of his wife in contrast to the more upbeat and energetic version he brings as an innie. It's interesting because this episode flips the script on Mark. After the Helena reveal, innie Mark is shattered and thinks he can't beat Lumon at their games on top of feeling guilt ridden for sleeping with Helena not knowing the difference between her and Helly. While outie Mark is at least somewhat reinvigorated to push his reintegration forward to try to see/save his wife. I think that makes the last scene that much more significant. To date, outie Mark simply agreed to reintegrate on the reliance of someone's word that Gemma was still alive. His vision at the end confirms to him that his innie has seen his wife, alive, and this reintegration plan is not based on false pretenses.
 
Man none of this even occurred to me.



I mean I figured Milchick (still can't get the spelling right) would probably turn coat eventually but it never occurred to me he might already be there.
 
Man none of this even occurred to me.



I mean I figured Milchick (still can't get the spelling right) would probably turn coat eventually but it never occurred to me he might already be there.


I think the black Kier paintings and also maybe seeing Helena (who he knew was Helena) laugh at the Dieter Eagan story really shook him and his faith in the Lumon. Lots of cult elements to this, and he's a "true believer" like Cobel who doesn't get to see the actual inner workings.

There's something about Miss Huang too - I wonder if she's some kind of test for him specifically? I still don't really know what she is.

The last episode is one I might rewatch. Lots to unpack. Like them being in Quarter 822? That's over 200 years, so they're either making that up or maybe time does run differently down there (I haven't put much stock into those theories before). Also brings up the watch questions again.
 
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This f***ing show. Watched intermittently between periods of USA/Canada.

Gonna be more ranty thoughts.

-Think it's fairly obvious that o!Burt and o!Irving's (just how I'm gonna abbreviate innies and outies from here on out) burgeoning friendship is far from innocent. The show clearly hints that Burt may have more involvement with Lumon than previously thought. But I'd take it a step further, Irv's dinner served as a pretext for Drummond to break into Irv's apartment and discover his investigative materials. I think the dinner must have been a pretext to allow that to happen. Just wondering if Burt is still employed by Lumon or by ratting Irving out, if Burt is hoping for more in pension pay or something like that. Either way, I don't like this for Irving. Alternative thought, what if Burt wasn't going down to the severed floor as an Innie? What if he's a corporate spy for Lumon and his whole thing with i!Irving was like a honey pot. Dylan was extremely distrustful of Burt in the beginning. Maybe with good reason.

-Speaking of Dylan, I'm finding myself slightly annoyed with his Innie's storyline but more as a result of how he reacted to i!Irving's "death" like sure, it's understandable that he'd reign himself back in to spend time with his outie's wife but after what happened to Irving it's really kind of disappointing that he's right back to being placated. He yelled about Irving a little and he's back to being scared of losing the visitation center. It just feels a little too quick to give control back. Also really not sure where they're going with the dynamic of his wife having feelings for his innie but seeming fed up with his outie. Like does that somehow convince his outie to reintegrate? Are they going to cut off visitation at some point? A bit harder to predict and I'm not sure the answer is going to be satisfying so I'm finding myself losing interest in that particular storyline.

-Cobelvig drove off to Canada or something.

-Not 100% sure what to make of Milchik's breakdown there. It seems like he is still being compelled by some internal motivation to be the perfect Lumon employee. Still unclear as to why, but the cracks are definitely still there. Interesting that he hangs on "grow up." Is he telling himself to grow up from lingering sympathy for the innies? Or grow up and get past whatever is driving his devotion towards Lumon? Is it that he can't decide which? I think between the kindness reforms (visitation center, funeral, hall passes, etc.) and the theory I read elsewhere that I liked, that Milchik propped the Irving melon head to look directly at where Irving hid his note about the exports hall, I think it just comes down to pure conflict between Milchik's internal sense of morality and whatever it is that is driving him to want to thrive at Lumon. But it's so maddeningly hard tor read what that might be. Does Lumon have dirt on him? Do they hold some other coercive power over him? Does he have wider aims to dismantle the whole system from within? Was he part of that Lumon school Cobel went to and started out indoctrinated by the cult of Kier but is having that get unraveled by his own moral sensibilities? I get the sense that Milchik is fully aware of how morally bankrupt Lumon is and is--in a small way--rebelling against that system, and it'll probably end in him fully helping the Innies. Either way it seems like all the "Lumon is listening stuff" is primarily driven by him, if not entirely.

-Going back to Irv, Fields, and Burt, I get the sense that Burt is duplicitous but it seems like Fields is likely innocent. Interesting to hear that 1) Burt's reason (or story) for severing is the idea that at least half of his soul can be saved if his innie is pure and 2) that a priest would actually take such a position on severance. I would think an evangelical would consider the severance procedure to be an abomination on the Christian god's designs. Wondering if that "priest" was a Lumon propagandist. I mean that feels like pure tinfoil reaching, but like, is it? If Lumon is so entrenched in so many parts of the world, why couldn't they pay off ministers to give bullshit sermons that entice people to become severed workers?

-Part of me is glad they're not dragging their feet this season much but it kind of feels like they rushed past Helly processing the fact that Helena used her body to fool i!Mark into having sex with her. I mean, in a way, it's like Helena raped both of them. I can appreciate and understand that she'd want to take agency back by having sex with Mark shortly after, but it felt like they didn't give Helly much time to really breath and sit with that realization.

-Mark's growing sickness is a concern. Reghabi claims she's better at reintegration now but then she rushes o!Mark ahead to accelerate the process, like...doesn't that increase the risk that he'll die like Petey? Starting to feel like Reghabi sees Mark as disposable and she's just trying to get more intel about what's going on in Lumon. I can't see this show killing Mark off so it will probably resolve so that Mark survives reintegration, but it's kind of hard to predict how. My guess is he'll reintegrate successfully long enough to get a good amount of valuable information but be found out just shy of reuniting with Gemma/Ms. Casey and the Lumon will re-sever him. He probably stops shy of completing Cold Harbor at the finish line too.

-Saving my last big thought for last but Miss Huang continues to be such a goddamn mystery. She's there on a "fellowship" and needs Milchik's approval to get referred to that winter...whatever program. Whatever the f*** that is. So that rules out her being a clone of someone or a kid who was severed from near death to eternally work on the severed floor but what is this program she's in? Why is this kid so goddamn ambitious that she was disappointed that she didn't get to "steward" the severed floor from Milchik's desk?

-Last big point goes back to the big re-integration on steroids, the second Helly/Mark sex scene, the Helena-o!Mark meeting, and the endgame they're setting up. So, if we presume that Reghabi "flooding the chip" is meant to speed things up to full reintegration, I feel like that's about to make things batshit insane for Mark. This episode had i!Mark continuing to be head over heels for Helly culminating in them hooking up which marks two sexual encounters with a woman while knowing his Outie has a wife who's trapped somewhere in Lumon. i!Mark doesn't seem to care about how that might affect o!Mark cause, well, he's living his own life, and why shouldn't he? He can do a favor to his outie eventually and maybe one day he can have his office love while his outie gets his wife back, everyone is happy. Except i!Mark doesn't know that his outie is reintegrating. o!Mark only just got flashes of his innie having sex with Helena Eagan who he just met. And sure, at first there was a bit of a flirtatious attraction that probably seeped from his subconscious but as soon as Helena brought up Gemma and got her name wrong, the switch clearly flipped for o!Mark (impeccably acted by Adam Scott by the way) and it seemed clear that he was reminded that Helena was the enemy and she was in charge of the company that has his wife hostage. The inner conflict this sets up is unbelievable. The innie is in love with Helly R. the outie has every reason to hate Helena. Helly seems to reciprocate i!Mark's feelings, while Helena seems to be curious about a possible relationship with o!Mark (or she's just trying to manipulate him from the outside). The dynamics here are just wild honestly and I'm really curious to see how the show handles what they've set up. Gonna be interesting to see how Devon will be involved going forward now that there's really no hiding the ball anymore that Mark is reintegrated and could die as a result.

For a relatively low event episode, it still felt super impactful and I already can't wait for next Thursday.

EDIT: Left one out because I just started rewatching it. Seems like they abandoned going to get the note from the break room? Or maybe it happened off screen. Also the reintegration editing is still so crazy. The way they line up these shots of different settings is so well done.
 
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Thought it was very suspicious that Burt is certain hes going to hell, but we never ger an explanationas to why.


I've got a bad feeling for Irving.
All signs point to Burt being a Lumon spy or some kind of Lumon executive. Between Fields slipping that Burt was at Lumon longer than the Severance procedure and Drummond raiding Irv's apartment during the dinner, seems pretty clear to me.
 
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This f***ing show. Watched intermittently between periods of USA/Canada.

Gonna be more ranty thoughts.



-Not 100% sure what to make of Milchik's breakdown there. It seems like he is still being compelled by some internal motivation to be the perfect Lumon employee. Still unclear as to why, but the cracks are definitely still there. Interesting that he hangs on "grow up." Is he telling himself to grow up from lingering sympathy for the innies? Or grow up and get past whatever is driving his devotion towards Lumon? Is it that he can't decide which? I think between the kindness reforms (visitation center, funeral, hall passes, etc.) and the theory I read elsewhere that I liked, that Milchik propped the Irving melon head to look directly at where Irving hid his note about the exports hall, I think it just comes down to pure conflict between Milchik's internal sense of morality and whatever it is that is driving him to want to thrive at Lumon. But it's so maddeningly hard tor read what that might be. Does Lumon have dirt on him? Do they hold some other coercive power over him? Does he have wider aims to dismantle the whole system from within? Was he part of that Lumon school Cobel went to and started out indoctrinated by the cult of Kier but is having that get unraveled by his own moral sensibilities? I get the sense that Milchik is fully aware of how morally bankrupt Lumon is and is--in a small way--rebelling against that system, and it'll probably end in him fully helping the Innies. Either way it seems like all the "Lumon is listening stuff" is primarily driven by him, if not entirely.

-Part of me is glad they're not dragging their feet this season much but it kind of feels like they rushed past Helly processing the fact that Helena used her body to fool i!Mark into having sex with her. I mean, in a way, it's like Helena raped both of them. I can appreciate and understand that she'd want to take agency back by having sex with Mark shortly after, but it felt like they didn't give Helly much time to really breath and sit with that realization.

-Last big point goes back to the big re-integration on steroids, the second Helly/Mark sex scene, the Helena-o!Mark meeting, and the endgame they're setting up. So, if we presume that Reghabi "flooding the chip" is meant to speed things up to full reintegration, I feel like that's about to make things batshit insane for Mark. This episode had i!Mark continuing to be head over heels for Helly culminating in them hooking up which marks two sexual encounters with a woman while knowing his Outie has a wife who's trapped somewhere in Lumon. i!Mark doesn't seem to care about how that might affect o!Mark cause, well, he's living his own life, and why shouldn't he? He can do a favor to his outie eventually and maybe one day he can have his office love while his outie gets his wife back, everyone is happy. Except i!Mark doesn't know that his outie is reintegrating. o!Mark only just got flashes of his innie having sex with Helena Eagan who he just met. And sure, at first there was a bit of a flirtatious attraction that probably seeped from his subconscious but as soon as Helena brought up Gemma and got her name wrong, the switch clearly flipped for o!Mark (impeccably acted by Adam Scott by the way) and it seemed clear that he was reminded that Helena was the enemy and she was in charge of the company that has his wife hostage. The inner conflict this sets up is unbelievable. The innie is in love with Helly R. the outie has every reason to hate Helena. Helly seems to reciprocate i!Mark's feelings, while Helena seems to be curious about a possible relationship with o!Mark (or she's just trying to manipulate him from the outside). The dynamics here are just wild honestly and I'm really curious to see how the show handles what they've set up. Gonna be interesting to see how Devon will be involved going forward now that there's really no hiding the ball anymore that Mark is reintegrated and could die as a result.
As always you read this stuff and communicate it SOO much better than me, but I saw two things a little differently
Regarding Helena, I think she legit likes Mark and doesn't have any ulterior motives. I think she, being a child of privilege is incredibly inexperienced and dating and is insanely socially awkward. I don't know if it is from her being incredibly sheltered, maybe being home schooled or maybe never knowing if men liked her for Helena or for her money and power. I am thinking with Mark she knows that Mark didn't know who Helly reallyis and fell for the person than Helena really is under her mask for "grace and etiquette"


I have a weird feeling that Felecia is the one who his the note and that MDR "made" that head of
I read Milchick as a cult member(really long story, but) I used to work at a very high turnover job that gave bonuses for referring employees and I worked with a ton of them. His scene was him submitting further and taking insane steps to do what he is told. He went way overboard with the paperclips and was essentially reprogramming himself to use smaller words.
 
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As always you read this stuff and communicate it SOO much better than me, but I saw two things a little differently
Regarding Helena, I think she legit likes Mark and doesn't have any ulterior motives. I think she, being a child of privilege is incredibly inexperienced and dating and is insanely socially awkward. I don't know if it is from her being incredibly sheltered, maybe being home schooled or maybe never knowing if men liked her for Helena or for her money and power. I am thinking with Mark she knows that Mark didn't know who Helly reallyis and fell for the person than Helena really is under her mask for "grace and etiquette"


I have a weird feeling that Felecia is the one who his the note and that MDR "made" that head of
I read Milchick as a cult member(really long story, but) I used to work at a very high turnover job that gave bonuses for referring employees and I worked with a ton of them. His scene was him submitting further and taking insane steps to do what he is told. He went way overboard with the paperclips and was essentially reprogramming himself to use smaller words.
Well this show fires up some latent detective instinct in my brain I usually don't use lol.

On the first one we don't see things differently. I think that's the more likely situation. Britt Lower said in early interviews that Helena is jealous of Helly that she's freer and that lends to what you were talking about. But kind of with the inner conflict with Milchik it's possible Helena is still being tugged between her standing as the next CEO of Lumon and her curiosity/attraction to Mark. On the one hand Helena is probably curious what a real and honest human relationship is like, and who better than the man who essentially saved her from death by hanging whose innie already has feelings for her innie? On the other hand, the running line is that i!Mark is central to what Lumon views to be the most important project in human history (Cold Harbor). So I wouldn't put it past her to continue to seek to control and manipulate Mark. I watched a theory that she's intentionally trying to get pregnant by Mark (interesting note, the restaurant he was eating at 'Zufu' means grandfather in mandarin but the lighting of Zu was off leaving only fu, which the theorist thinks implies that Mark is going to be a father). So, maybe something more sinister there than we think but it could just be that Helena is a f***ed up person through and through. I mean tricking Mark into sex the way she did is beyond unethical so I don't really view her troubled upbringing in a sympathetic lens regardless and don't believe anyone should.

As for Milchick I don't think there's a question that he's bought into the cult of Kier and is driven by belief. But why and how did that happen? That's what I'm still trying to figure out. Was he in a Lumon school for boys the way Cobel was? Seems such schools are factories for ideal Lumon upper management. I think that's probably the most likely explanation, and could explain why he's trying so desperately to improve following the performance review and is fighting his more sympathetic nature, but what if there's something even more dire driving that desperation? Maybe it could be a fear that Lumon will kill him if he fails and/or defects. I mean Reghabi is on the run and in hiding from Lumon instead of blowing them up in the media. Cobel is on the run and completely MIA and she wants to come back, albeit on her terms. Either way it feels like the writing is on the walls for Milchik to have a redemption moment eventually (unless they subvert expectations and all this was an exercise in teasing Milchik's humanity only for Lumon to win out and program him to be the perfect villain). But how badly is his tightening the belt going to affect the Innies before then?
 
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