malcb33
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So, by your estimation, for 2M retained it would be approximately a 2nd and 3rd?
Value of: Seth Jones to anywhere
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Blackhawkswincup
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Considering he wanted to go to Chicago or Dallas from reports at time of trade years ago doubtful he would be open to Canada let alone Montreal (Maybe Toronto could appeal to him but still doubt it)
He had 1 year left with CBJ. And told them that he would not extend once his deal was up, thus making him a UFA. CBJ was free to move him within the confines of his MNTC I believe that he had at the time.
Clearly, being able to extend him would change the return for his services and he did make it clear that he wouldn't sign early unless it was to a couple of teams like you pointed out. Any team would want to speak to him about a contract before acquiring his services and if they get a, no I don't want to sign at this time, they adjust their trade to make it a rental acquisition.
Nothing wrong with what he did. If he wanted to go elsewhere come UFA, he was free to do so. He never threatened to not play for CBJ should he not be dealt. That's a different matter.
Now, for Jones today. No sympathy for him now. Chi is not obligated to move him unless they get a deal that they like. So, while he may not like the losing, this was one of the places he wanted to go. Not sure what he was thinking picking Chi with an aging Keith, Kane, Toews, Seabrook (was he injured at the time?) and moved? But, that core that won the 3 cups would soon be gone. So, he made a bad choice, but that's on him to live with now.
cbjthrowaway
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"nothing wrong with what he did" and "forced his way out" are not mutually exclusive in this scenario though.
could they have kept him? sure.
could they have traded him as a rental? sure.
could i go take a dump on my living room floor right now? also sure.
point being, yes, the jackets could have taken a different path with jones, but the parameters jones set out (and to be clear, he wasn't out of line in doing so) meant that all but one of those paths were not sensibles ones to take.
are there rumblings that jones wants to leave chicago? the sense i've gotten as an outsider is that the fans are just sick of watching him and want to get out from under his contract.
Like Panarin and Bob, no one is obligated to sign their UFA years with their current team. They could have very well treated Jones the same was as those 2 and play it out and let him walk. We've seen it many times with other players who would not sign ufa years and were subsequently traded.
cbjthrowaway
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i'm not saying that they (or jones) were obligated to do anything.
jones did the org a solid by giving them advance notice. but what he did (as well as bob + panarin) still constitutes "forcing his way out" as i define it.
he's not obligated to sign there. saying that he wouldn't consider signing there + would only extend with a handful of teams creates a scenario where the only logical move is a trade.
i'm not saying that what he did was unprofessional or wrong, i'm saying that the player engineering a scenario that guaranteed a trade is the definition of "forcing their way out"
the mechanics and optics of him "forcing his way out" are far more favorable to the way that dubois, laine, etc. did it, but that doesn't mean the underlying intent (not wanting to play here) or outcome (getting to play somewhere else) were any different.
