Speculation: Seth Jones says he's talking with the Blackhawks about the possibility of a trade

[John Mandalorian]

Probably a top 15-20 RHD. Top Pair, sport.

Don't care if you don't want, can just not trade.

Too bad that he makes top 10 money.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Too bad that he makes top 10 money.

Quinn Hughes and Cale Makar contracts expiring in 2027. Price of Poker is going to be going up in a big way.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Dallas makes sense.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Quinn Hughes and Cale Makar contracts expiring in 2027. Price of Poker is going to be going up in a big way.

He’s 30. You can’t guarantee his aging curve. Therefore, the only thing you have as a selling point is what he is right now as a player. If the Blackhawks retain 2 million but he falls off a cliff next year, the Blackhawks made out.

 

[Fatass]

Wow at least five more years at $9.5M is alot. Unless for some strange reason he mutually agrees to end his contract. Why did he sign such a long contract to begin with in Chicago

Yup. Considering Jones has no control over his contract being appetizing for another club, his comments don’t make any sense. Unless he’s hoping for a buyout?

 

[MarotteMarauder]

Seth Jones admitting that Chicago is over five years away from competing

Says the guy who has had a sniff at the playoffs 5 times out of his 12 NHL seasons. A real winner I tell ya

 

[M88K]

Dallas makes sense.

No, someone else can jump on that grenade

 

[lakeshirts37]

Seth Jones admitting that Chicago is over five years away from competing. Must feel great to be in Bedard's shoes about now.

Think he’s just stating what everyone already knows

 

[hockeyfish]

Putting it out there, but Colorado and Chicago have been scouting each other a lot over the past month or so. Colorado is known to have checked in on Jones recently. Colorado is known to be aggressively going after defense. Jones would likely waive for Colorado.

Chicago would likely need to retain 2-2.5 and take Wood back to make it work, but they can make it work and I think there is significant interest in making something happen.

 

[StreetHawk]

Think he’s just stating what everyone already knows

Yep. Jones is a 2013 draft pick. He is 30 already and turning 31 in Q4 this year. Chicago is looking like another 2-3 years out of the PO unless either they make some moves to add players or a couple of their prospects hit earlier when they arrive in the NHL. After 2-3 more years, Jones is going to be like 33 and down to 2 years left on his contract. Probably not as much appetite for a $9.5 mill cap charge (even with a $100 mill plus cap) as he'd likely be past his prime years come 2028. Thus, the desire to move now vs later as it would give the new a couple of good years (that's the hope at least).

Haven't followed him much these past couple of seasons.

 

[MTU34]

Hawks board had an Avs fan come over a while ago and produce this as a framework:

To Chi
Manson ($4.5)
Wood ($2.5)
2026 first
2025 fourth
Ritchie

To Col
Jones ($2m retained - $7.5)
Reichel

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Hawks board had an Avs fan come over a while ago and produce this as a framework:

To Chi
Manson ($4.5)
Wood ($2.5)
2026 first
2025 fourth
Ritchie

To Col
Jones ($2m retained - $7.5)
Reichel

I don't think Ritchie will be included.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Hawks board had an Avs fan come over a while ago and produce this as a framework:

To Chi
Manson ($4.5)
Wood ($2.5)
2026 first
2025 fourth
Ritchie

To Col
Jones ($2m retained - $7.5)
Reichel

i dont think the avs should move ritchie until they have a long term 2c locked down.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Ive wondered before if something like Jones to Pittsburgh with no retention, Karlsson to team X with some retention from the Hawks and assets going back to the Hawks works for all parties. I dont see many teams interested in that contract and Karlsson hasnt meshed with Pittsburgh.

 

[LT]

Ive wondered before if something like Jones to Pittsburgh with no retention, Karlsson to team X with some retention from the Hawks and assets going back to the Hawks works for all parties. I dont see many teams interested in that contract and Karlsson hasnt meshed with Pittsburgh.

I'd hope Dallas would be much more interested in Karlsson than Jones. Something like that would be highly appealing.

 

[John Mandalorian]

i dont think the avs should move ritchie until they have a long term 2c locked down.

He probably included Reichel as an excuse to ask for Ritchie.

 

[Zirakzigil]

I'd hope Dallas would be much more interested in Karlsson than Jones. Something like that would be highly appealing.

Yeah. My reasoning is to see if Jones can be a better fit in Pittsburgh and we dont end up retaining on Karlsson for minimal assets back. Win/win for everyone.

 

[Crow]

He probably included Reichel as an excuse to ask for Ritchie.

He just hates Reichel and his trades all include some kind of unloading a personal vendetta or targeting a homer crush or both. Usually both.

 

[John Mandalorian]

OPTION 1

To Chicago:

-Matt Dumba
-Mavrik Bourque
-the rights to Angus MacDonell

To Dallas:

-Seth Jones
-2025 Dallas 2nd round pick


OPTION 2

To Chicago:

-Josh Manson
-Miles Wood
-2026 1st round pick
-2027 2nd round pick

To Colorado:

-Seth Jones
-Ryan Donato

Counter offer to option 2:

To Col: Jones 2.0 M retained

To Chi: Manson, Gulyayev or 2026 1st

 

[TotalHomer]

Jones to Florida in the summer. Ekblad can take a wheelchair exit unless he takes a significant pay cut and then we can park him on the second/third pair. Jones would take the spot with Forsling who can cover for anybody.

 

[The Nuge]

They still had Toews and Kane when he arrived, and they brought in the reigning Vezina winner, MAF, the same offseason. It was supposed to re-open their Cup Window.

Remember, they had what seemed like a youth wave starting to take over with DeBrincat, Dylan Strome, Kirby Dach, and Kubalik (fresh off 30 goals).

The Hawks also traded for Seth's brother, Caleb. So he got to start his tenure playing with his bro.

While you’re right that they did have some ok younger pieces when he signed, it was clear it wasn’t working. They were a sub 70 point team. Toews and Kane were 34 in the first year of this deal, and MAF was gone before the contract started, as were Debrincat, Dach, Hagel, Strome, Kubalik, etc. Nobody thought it was reopening any sort of window. The only way he ever had any chance at contending during the deal is if he got dealt. He took massive money to play on a bottom feeder.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Why would a winning team want his awful contract

Obviously there would be retention there would have to be no matter where he went.

The question is how much

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Chicago is going to have to retain 2m per year to move this contract. There's a limited number of clubs that could even afford him at 7.5m. Now that list needs to be teams Jones would be willing to waive for.

These proposals with no retention, including expiring cap dumps are laughable. Teams aren't going to commit 9.5m to Jones.

I could see Dallas and Colorado being interested as others mentioned. Maybe the Manson/Wood proposal is workable as Manson has another year and Wood's runs the full length of the Jones deal ( I could be wrong as I haven't checked to confirm - but I know Wood is signed 2.5m for long term).

That said I'm not convinced Colorado would want that contract without retention. Moving Wood doesn't open up much cap and you still have to ice his replacement. This is a club that will be looking to extend Necas. Beyond that being obvious, judging by Rantanen's comments made about be willing to sign for less and his experience to date post trade, I wouldn't be the least bit shock if Rantanen's camp circles back to Colorado on July 1st at a number both the team and player are happy with. They also have to extend Drouin. I think a trade to Colorado could make sense it's probably an off season move when the cap picture is clearer.

For Dallas I thought they were shopping with Seguin's LTIR money? That's not typical to see a team go spend it on a long term contract. Possible I suppose with the cap rising. Even still with Dumba mentioned and being on a expiring deal I'd be hesitant to think Dallas would want the full 9.5m next year on the books. Less likely they pay good assets to be the club doing it.

Being one of the few teams Jones will waive for is going to give those short listed clubs some leverage.

I don't think Jones being willing to waive would be an issue.

I think this is a situation where assure long as the player knows he's going to the playoffs he's probably willing to go.

I think It's more about getting out of Chicago because they are a dumpster fire.

 

[biturbo19]

Ive wondered before if something like Jones to Pittsburgh with no retention, Karlsson to team X with some retention from the Hawks and assets going back to the Hawks works for all parties. I dont see many teams interested in that contract and Karlsson hasnt meshed with Pittsburgh.

This idea is actually kind of intriguing. It's "risky" for the Penguins obviously, but they've gotta do something. Karlsson hasn't fit there and realistically...the Penguins have a rapidly closing "window" to make any noise at all in Crosby's last good years. That extra year on Jones' contract probably doesn't really matter much in the grand scheme of things. I could see Seth Jones actually being a better fit. If you can figure out all the moving pieces and make the cap work...it's definitely a framework worth exploring.

I'd hope Dallas would be much more interested in Karlsson than Jones. Something like that would be highly appealing.

Dallas would certainly be an interesting party to throw into that mix. Would be one heck of a complicated deal to work out, with huge money moving around unconventionally...but worth looking at.


To Dallas:
-Erik Karlsson (some retention).
-Cheap expiring depth from PIT/CHI maybe?

To Pittsburgh:
-Seth Jones.
-Small futures maybe?

To Chicago:
-Matt Dumba (dump).
-Futures from DAL???


Could even make it more convoluted by moving Grzelcyk to Dallas with retention via Chicago or something, if Dallas wanted to add an extra defenceman beyond Jones while still moving Dumba's contract. And Dumba seems like a guy Chicago can at least just throw out there as a warm body for the continued tanking.

Not sure how exactly that all balances out or exactly what else would have to be included to make the cap work, and it makes my brain hurt thinking about it...especially trying to parse out what the critical "futures" component would be...but i do think there could be something there.

 

[MTU34]

He probably included Reichel as an excuse to ask for Ritchie.

Deal proposed was from an avs fan