Filthy Dangles
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Top line winger vs #1 defenseman...please do.44 Goals, 3rd All-Time scoring teenager, highest G/60 in the league, shall I go on?
Top line winger vs #1 defenseman...please do.
Really? stats ain't enough so you want to talk age? meh, I'll pass. I want to talk about value of position. I want to talk about ice time. Who's going to break up plays defensively and then help transition to offense. I want to talk about the position that can help wingers score more by holding the line in the offensive zone, and launch shots that give up juicy rebounds, and provide redirection possibilities for wingers.
Sorry, unless you have something to change my mind, I will always value defensemen over wingers; all things being equal. Centers...maybe.
Jones, quite easily
Maybe he'd rather have the better team rather than the better top lineWell I sure hope your the future Oilers GM... Laine and McDavid wouldn’t be that goood hey?
Maybe he'd rather have the better team rather than the better top line
Clearly I must have meant that improving the top line would do nothing to help the team, rather than Jones would just do more to make them better. Smart thinking like alwaysLol... Yes because Laine on McDavids Wing wouldn’t make the Oilers better.
Or maybe he would've scored 32 goals being exhausted from amount of ice time he can't handle and facing top competition instead of the easier match ups that he has currently.If Laine would have had the same TOI as Ovi, he would have scored 53 goals and won the Rocket, no contest.
Indeed. He's exactly what we need.Jones.
Not much of a discussion for the Leafs. He'd be the perfect addition.
Or maybe he would've scored 32 goals being exhausted from amount of ice time he can't handle and facing top competition instead of the easier match ups that he has currently.
Let's just agree that he scored the goals that he did.
Being able to handle 20+ minutes with the same efficiency as 16 minutes is a reach for anybody, let alone a 19-year-old who has very unfinished physique.Perhaps, but I think factoring in ice-time yields more accurate results than "let's just agree the raw numbers are what they are".
"Maybe he would have been tired" sounds a bit like reaching.
In the real world, teams have needs. The thread did not ask who the better player is now, or the better player going forward, it asked which player would be a better asset to your team.There are basically two important variables in hockey. How many goals for and how many against.
You can sacrifice some goals against if you get tons of goals for. Defense is not more important than offense, you just need to have the right kind of mix and utilize your players as such.
If Laine would have had the same TOI as Ovi, he would have scored 53 goals and won the Rocket, no contest. With pretty questionable deployment I might add, and while still being physically raw (now he just looks bulky because that's where he is at right now training-wise). He didn't get many assists because the line he was in most of the season simply did not score. Like almost at all. It was only after he got some new linemates when he started potting ES points. PP was under control the whole season and he was the best PP scorer in the league, which makes sense.
Jones or Laine... lol
In the real (read: non-fanboyish) world, teams have needs. The thread did not ask who the better player is now, or the better player going forward, it asked which player would be a better asset to your team.
For my team, Jones is unquestionably the better add. That's not saying he's necessarily a better player but he's a #1 D that fills our greatest need by far. Adding Jones makes my team better than adding Laine does.
Being able to handle 20+ minutes with the same efficiency as 16 minutes is a reach for anybody, let alone a 19-year-old who has very unfinished physique.
Laine had a very rare ratio of powerplay to even strength time too.Well let's keep the TOI and change Little for Scheifele for next season?
60 or 70 goals?
Not a single person in the NHL has reached 40 goals in such a low ice-time than Laine since TOI has been tracked. You say that his production would not increase with increased ice-time, but I don't find that very plausible. Who knows.