Serious question pertaining to the Laine hit/injury

[amnesiac]

serious question, as Ive heard different answers over the past few days....

whose "job" is it to move their left leg in this situation? The puck carrier or the defender?

Laine's coming in wide-legged, and Pare is defending wide-legged.

(FWIW Im acutally thinking its Laine's job since hes coming at Pare, and splitting between 2 Dmen)

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[Hntz]

Both

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

To me that's a play that happens so fast that I don't think you can find anybody at fault for it.

It's hockey and shit happens sometimes.

 

[Shlep]

It entirely depends, are you a Toronto fan or a Montreal fan?

 

[amnesiac]

To me that's a play that happens so fast that I don't think you can find anybody at fault for it.

It's hockey and shit happens sometimes.

thats what Ive been saying

It entirely depends, are you a Toronto fan or a Montreal fan?

pretty much.... so

whats everyone else's opinion?

 

[Frank Drebin]

Im inclined to think that the more often you try to execute a play like that the more likely something like this will happen

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Both/neither

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

thats what Ive been saying


pretty much.... so

whats everyone else's opinion?

FWIW, I also don't have a problem with WiFi beating the shit out of him for it... Just dunno that I'm down with the chase down and sucker punch to the back of the head.

Generally I'm OK with making a guy fight for injuring a star. The recent one I can think of that I hated though was when Perry concussed Tavares. The whole incident happened because Tavares fell in front of Perry and Perry wasn't even looking when he kneed Tavares in the head. It 100% wasn't intentional and was clearly an accident with 0 intent.

 

[barriers]

To me that's a play that happens so fast that I don't think you can find anybody at fault for it.

It's hockey and shit happens sometimes.

Stop being so reasonable! This is the internet damnit!

 

[Three On Zero]

To me it’s 50/50, Laine tries to go through with a wide stance and Pare sticks out his left knee when he looks like he’s going to get beaten.

 

[FMichael]

To me that's a play that happens so fast that I don't think you can find anybody at fault for it.

It's hockey and shit happens sometimes.

This...It's a contact sport and sometimes there's injuries.

To me it’s 50/50, Laine tries to go through with a wide stance and Pare sticks out his left knee when he looks like he’s going to get beaten.

 

[eojsmada]

The impetus is on the defender is to take the body (torso). My issue with Pare's play is that he's not in Laine's lane and takes a flexed-knee stance, rather than realize he was beaten and made no discernable effort to take the body.

This is basically a "skill" issue. Pare doesn't have the ability to defend the play at high speed and simply "braces" himself instead, which creates the knee-on-knee. It's only an unavoidable situation because the defender is incapable of defending the play properly and does the one thing you shouldn't in flexing his knee towards the offensive player. It's only a bad hit by Pare because he's not able to play at high speed.

 

[Frank Drebin]

The impetus is on the defender is to take the body (torso). My issue with Pare's play is that he's not in Laine's lane and takes a flexed-knee stance, rather than realize he was beaten and made no discernable effort to take the body.

This is basically a "skill" issue. Pare doesn't have the ability to defend the play at high speed and simply "braces" himself instead, which creates the knee-on-knee. It's only an unavoidable situation because the defender is incapable of defending the play properly and does the one thing you shouldn't in flexing his knee towards the offensive player. It's only a bad hit by Pare because he's not able to play at high speed.

Pilon being a pilon

 

[A1LeafNation]

Both.

It would have been acceptable to give Pare a suspension. This kid is an AHLer and it looked instinctive. But consequences have actions. Not sure why he wasn't suspended tbh.

What isn't acceptable is punches to the back of his head.

This league does shit all because we are the dummies who keep watching it and no one pushes them to change or to deter this shit.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

50/50

Both.

It would have been acceptable to give Pare a suspension. This kid is an AHLer and it looked instinctive. But consequences have actions. Not sure why he wasn't suspended tbh.

What isn't acceptable is punches to the back of his head.

This league does shit all because we are the dummies who keep watching it and no one pushes them to change or to deter this shit.

1967 , starts with you my friend , be the change you want in the world

 

[Prettyisland]

Probably doesn’t answer your question.. but stop letting career AHL guys have a fantasy land camp every year

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Probably doesn’t answer your question.. but stop letting career AHL guys have a fantasy land camp every year

This is why I'm cool with the Traverse City Prospect Tournament being dead.

You had teams bringing in beer league scrubs to take heads off guys that could end up being NHL stars.

 

[Crede777]

I think it's 60% on Pare since he seems to have made the correction in an attempt to catch a piece of Laine and prevent him from just skating by. It's 40% on Laine to protect himself in this situation by not skating with his legs so far apart while splitting the defense.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

The defender was stationary and has no obligation to move out of the way, so to me, it's Laine's responsibility to try to skate past him without leaving his left leg extended out like that.

 

[miscs75]

Does anyone have an angle of this hit that shows if Laine was/wasn’t looking at the puck the whole time? From this one, it looks like he’s got no awareness of his surroundings.

 

[On The Prowl]

The impetus is on the defender is to take the body (torso). My issue with Pare's play is that he's not in Laine's lane and takes a flexed-knee stance, rather than realize he was beaten and made no discernable effort to take the body.

This is basically a "skill" issue. Pare doesn't have the ability to defend the play at high speed and simply "braces" himself instead, which creates the knee-on-knee. It's only an unavoidable situation because the defender is incapable of defending the play properly and does the one thing you shouldn't in flexing his knee towards the offensive player. It's only a bad hit by Pare because he's not able to play at high speed.

I agree, he probably panicked and froze. Wouldn't be surprised if he closed his eyes even.

 

[Coffees]

I hate to be that guy, especially in a thread created by amnesiac, but why did he leave out this image? @amnesiac

 

[banks]

Part of the problem is that to push yourself to the right (out of the way) means pushing off with your left leg, which extends it. You can't just bring your left leg in while moving without tipping over. You get to a point where neither guy can avoid the hit.

 

[eojsmada]

I hate to be that guy, especially in a thread created by amnesiac, but why did he leave out this image? @amnesiac

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He was clearly trying to "forget" that it happened

 

[tarheelhockey]

Strictly speaking, the onus is on the defender not to strike the puck carrier’s leg, as that is a tripping penalty.

Now… there’s also an element of discretion about how well established the defender is. As a puck carrier, you can’t just throw yourself over a defender and expect to get a call. This was a play that really pushes the limits of how much space a puck carrier is “owed” when moving past the defender.

In this case, if you want to call it something strictly by the book, it’s a tripping penalty. So that answers the question — onus is on the defender.