I just don't know how you have 2 a-level goalie prospects and move them BOTH!
Is O'Connor at least looking like a viable no. 1?
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I just don't know how you have 2 a-level goalie prospects and move them BOTH!
Is O'Connor at least looking like a viable no. 1?
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o'connor is looking more and more like a bust/future backup atm
dreidger though is looking very nice which is a good surprise
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could see flyers giving something off little value to acquire him till Noovy heals up thats about it
In March 17 2015 after his 13th game his adjGSAA (Mercad) was at 12.7, after his 48th game at the end of last season his Mercad was at 27.6.
So yeah, he's a good goalie even without 'the streak'.
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They are probably motivated by the fact that trading Hammond and keeping Condon saves them almost 1 million dollars which at the deadline is enough to cover a player making near top 6 money (since 3/4ths of their salary would have already been paid).
By trading Hammond they would recoup the 5th they spent on Condon as well as gain some cash that can be used at the deadline (budget team). Both Condon and Hammond are backup goalies. Hammond looked good in the pre-season but has shown himself to be injury prone these last two season and somewhat inconsistent.
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Why do we have to trade him? We're not near the cap and Anderson could take off at any moment to be with his wife. We're an injury away to Condon to being right back at square one if we trade Hammond. And Hammond is a solid goalie. He had a tough start to this year, but I like him and think he'd be fine and dandy as a backup.
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Might be more about helping the guy out and getting him somewhere where he can get more games in. Condon has been strong so far and Andy is obviously playing as long as he's able. Hammond's options right now are go to the AHL or sit and wait in Ottawa in the stands.
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Hammond is owed 1.1M for the rest of the season. Condon is owed under 500k.
If they don't need two backup goalies, that 600k extra budget space adds up to being able to get a player making almost 2M at the TDL since their salary has already been paid for the first 60 or so games of the season. Not to mention basic asset management. They recoup the pick they gave up for Condon instead of possibly losing Hammond for nothing to waivers.
I still don't quite understand why they are moving Hammond if they previously had 3 goalies up to accommodate Anderson, but that is a different discussion entirely. If they only need two goalies, and Hammond and Condon are considered at least equal then moving the one who makes more money for a pick makes sense.
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I don't think Hammond has the AHL as an option. If he's waived, I assume someone would grab him as a backup. I agree with you, eventually they'll need to fix this situation, but as of right now who knows when Anderson will leave again? Better to spend some of that money on a guy who can come back into the fold and help out than to call up a young player who needs to be in the AHL getting reps.
I guess the question is: who knows when and for how long Anderson will leave the team again - and in that scenario, wouldn't it be best to hang onto two guys who can platoon? Recoup the pick closer to the deadline, IMO.
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Bishop was a 25 y/o goalie acquired with almost no NHL experience (8 games started) with a 2nd round pick. He was an insurance policy when Anderson was hurt and to take the heat off Lehner who was very young. He was a decent 26 y/o back-up when traded, for Conacher, a ROTY candidate and a 4th round pick.
The goalie of the future was Robin Lehner but he was awful after Bishop was traded (looked super promising before) and he didn't have the right attitude almost forced the Bishop trade by refusing to play in the AHL). Look at his stats after he was the clear back-up :
2013-14 12-15-6 - 0.913 - 3.06
2014-15 9-12-3 - 0.905 - 3.02
Hammond stole his opportunity in 2014-15 and came up huge with a 20-1-2 record and a 0.941 SV%. The Sens decided to cash in on Lehner and traded him for a 1st round pick while getting rid of almost 8.7 millions in salary at the same time (his salary for 2 years + Legwand)
Bishop was 26 y/o, more like a late bloomer.
In hindsight, Sens keep Bishop and trade Lehner when he went "primadonna"
But that's the thing with hindsight, the fantasy scenario always look better!
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The Lehner trade is simple. Anderson wasn't/still isn't ready to step down and has been better than Lehner over the last few years.
Lehner has enormous potential, but was inconsistent, and hadn't developed enough to take over when the Sens felt they were ready to be a playoff team. They needed to play the best goalie over the next few years, which in 2015 was Anderson, and without starts, Lehner was never going to develop.
He was sent to a team that was earlier in their rebuild and thus a better fit for him. Lehner is a great prospect who should go on to be Buffalo's solution in net, but Ottawa got an equally as good prospect in Colin White and was also able to clear 3.5M in salary space via dumping David Legwand's contract to Buffalo.
It is also important to mention, trading Lehner might have been important in convincing Matt O'Connor who at the time was a decent coup (now, maybe not so much but there's still time) to sign. The Sens also got to keep Andrew Hammond who if Lehner wasn't traded most likely would have walked as a UFA and signed a 1 way deal else where since he was coming off of that huge run and even if there was a good chance he wasn't anywhere near the goalie he looked like over 20ish games, someone would have given him a chance as a free agent.
As far as the Bishop trade goes, the most I can say to defend it is that it is easy for us to sit there and laugh at it years later, but go back and read threads from the time and see what people thought about it. Does that mean it isn't a bad trade? No. It has panned out to be one of the worst trades in Sens history. The team gift wrapped a division rival a very good goalie and got what amounted to a bit of help at forward at the end of the shortened season and a 4th rounder in return. But it is easy to see why someone running a team with 3 goalies, one being a young goalie of the future and the other being a solid veteran starter might make that move at the time. If people were really in touch with what Bishop would become, there would have been teams out there willing to top Tampa's offer, particularly Edmonton who cheaped out on acquiring him. I don't quite remember, but I think Ottawa may have wanted the earlier of Edmonton's two second round picks, and EDM turned down Bishop over that.
Lehner has enormous potential, but was inconsistent, and hadn't developed enough to take over when the Sens felt they were ready to be a playoff team. They needed to play the best goalie over the next few years, which in 2015 was Anderson, and without starts, Lehner was never going to develop.
He was sent to a team that was earlier in their rebuild and thus a better fit for him. Lehner is a great prospect who should go on to be Buffalo's solution in net, but Ottawa got an equally as good prospect in Colin White and was also able to clear 3.5M in salary space via dumping David Legwand's contract to Buffalo.
It is also important to mention, trading Lehner might have been important in convincing Matt O'Connor who at the time was a decent coup (now, maybe not so much but there's still time) to sign. The Sens also got to keep Andrew Hammond who if Lehner wasn't traded most likely would have walked as a UFA and signed a 1 way deal else where since he was coming off of that huge run and even if there was a good chance he wasn't anywhere near the goalie he looked like over 20ish games, someone would have given him a chance as a free agent.
As far as the Bishop trade goes, the most I can say to defend it is that it is easy for us to sit there and laugh at it years later, but go back and read threads from the time and see what people thought about it. Does that mean it isn't a bad trade? No. It has panned out to be one of the worst trades in Sens history. The team gift wrapped a division rival a very good goalie and got what amounted to a bit of help at forward at the end of the shortened season and a 4th rounder in return. But it is easy to see why someone running a team with 3 goalies, one being a young goalie of the future and the other being a solid veteran starter might make that move at the time. If people were really in touch with what Bishop would become, there would have been teams out there willing to top Tampa's offer, particularly Edmonton who cheaped out on acquiring him. I don't quite remember, but I think Ottawa may have wanted the earlier of Edmonton's two second round picks, and EDM turned down Bishop over that.
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Hammond is a pretty decent backup.
My concern, is Andy is still dealing with his family situation. He may have to leave the team for a while at any time this season. We're better off keeping Hammond with us, even if it means carrying 3 goalies for the season.
My concern, is Andy is still dealing with his family situation. He may have to leave the team for a while at any time this season. We're better off keeping Hammond with us, even if it means carrying 3 goalies for the season.
They will sniff around for a deal ,to see if their is more than one team interested.If so the will haggle out a low end pick.If not he clears waivers 
that is unfortunate
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I'm really not sure what you're trying to say, advanced stats can be very misleading, simply watching him will tell you he's nothing more than a mediocre backup.
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