If you're going to compare defensive metrics, you need to control for variables. Hamonic played a lot slotted too high, in much tougher deployment than JBD or Matinpalo, he also played a lot of that when the goaltending was not doing well, unlike Matinpalo who's come in with Levi playing great.
If you want to try and control for that, one way to go might be looking at how each of them played while paired with Kleven,
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Travis Hamonic
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124.10
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1.49
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1.90
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43.93
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Nikolas Matinpalo
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85.75
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1.71
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2.26
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43.08
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Jacob Bernard-Docker
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259.28
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1.70
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2.37
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41.75
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Kleven has also grown as a player over the year, so there's probably a bit of that impacting the numbers, no comparison is going to control for all the variables, but I do think we you apply a bit of control to the analysis, there's a strong argument to be made that Hamonic has been better than JBD.
Matinpalo has looked solid so far, small sample though, so tough to judge, I don't think our depth on D is actually all that bad, we have 4 guys in Hamonic, Sebrango, JBD and Matinpalo that can all play at this level. The issue imo is only Kleven is at a level where I'm comfortable with him moving up the lineup into the top 4.
Loving him stepping up as a 6D, makes JBD being out long term easier to handle.
I fixed the table (sort of). It seems the update killed copying tables in from spreadsheets...The numbers are still hard to read. I'm comfortable with the Top-6 as it is right now. JBD, Sebrango and Hamonic as replacements, all good for me.
100% agree. If Matinpalo keeps this up, we're set for RD until Yak breaks into the line upLowkey better than JBD in everyway lool.
Lowkey better than JBD in everyway lool.
My man all over the offensive zone recently trying to get his fist goal or point.
No way in hell should he be sitting out when Jensen comes back.
I hadn't even considered that he was waiver eligible, yeah, idk if you can waive this guy and have any hope of him passing through.He flashed some nice wheels a couple of times last night. Definitely our 3rd best RD when Jensen is back. I would not put this guy on waivers.
Can't take him out and leave Hamonic in.
3rd pairing has been doing its job well.
Hamonic nukes every pair he's on. He's a wiley vet, but he isn't good anymore, hasn't been in 3+ years.
He's been very solid and you can tell he has a history of playing with Kleven. Those two have good chemistry together.
I suspect he'll leave the lineup once Jensen is back, but he absolutely deserves to be playing every night over Hamonic.
I think he's earned a 1-way extension for next season.
Oof...I can't see us bringing Hamonic back. He has been a great vet for us, but this extra year this year was a bonus for him. I think we could get an upgrade, while still getting his type of player, if we needed it.I’d agree he gets an extension but I’d also resign Hamonic to a 1 year and let those guys be your 6-7 Dman on the right side. Trade JBD
Would be nice to reduce the xGA/60 of those pairs to even out with the xGF/60.If you're going to compare defensive metrics, you need to control for variables. Hamonic played a lot slotted too high, in much tougher deployment than JBD or Matinpalo, he also played a lot of that when the goaltending was not doing well, unlike Matinpalo who's come in with Levi playing great.
If you want to try and control for that, one way to go might be looking at how each of them played while paired with Kleven,
With Kleven TOI With xGF/60 xGA/60 xGF% With
Travis Hamonic 124.10 1.49 1.90 43.93
Nikolas Matinpalo 85.75 1.71 2.26 43.08
Jacob Bernard-Docker 259.28 1.70 2.37 41.75
Kleven has also grown as a player over the year, so there's probably a bit of that impacting the numbers, no comparison is going to control for all the variables, but I do think we you apply a bit of control to the analysis, there's a strong argument to be made that Hamonic has been better than JBD.
Matinpalo has looked solid so far, small sample though, so tough to judge, I don't think our depth on D is actually all that bad, we have 4 guys in Hamonic, Sebrango, JBD and Matinpalo that can all play at this level. The issue imo is only Kleven is at a level where I'm comfortable with him moving up the lineup into the top 4.
He seemed to have a higher gear in the other game where he caught the F from behind. Could have been a slow F though.I agree. Skates just about as well but has much better reach, strength and poise, IMO.