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Zorf

Zorf

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Jan 4, 2008
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Donny boy Brennan released his final grades for the Senators.

I will list them the same way Brennan did (alphabetical)

Paulrus: A
GMBM: B+

Alfie: A
Anderson: A
Benoit: C+
Conacher: D+
Condra: C+
Cowen: D
Gonchar: B
Greening: C+
Gryba: C
Karlsson: B-
Kassian: C-
Latendresse: D-
Lehner: B+
Methot: A
Michalek: B
Neil: A-
Pageau: B
Phillips: B+
Regin: F
Silfverberg: B-
Smith: C+
Spezza: C
Turris: B+
Wiercioch: D+
Zibanejad: B-


** Did Brennan forget to grade Jim O'Brien?

My own comments: He's out to lunch giving Condra a C+. From reading his littel write ups, he puts way too much emphasis on offensive production. Um, Donny, you're never going to get offensive production from Condra. That's not what he does. Goof. For what he is on the team to do, he did an admirable job. At least a B in my opinion.
 
That was one of the first things I noticed cause I was expecting a D grade for JOB.
 
What exactly did Michalek do to earn a B? I don't understand Brennan, but that's to be expected really.
 
Wiercioch D+ with 19 pts in 42 games in his rookie season.

He's no Chara defensively, but c'mon. He's a rookie and without his production on the PP mid season, our PP would've somehow been way worse than it already was.

Wier and condra are the ones that stand out as being low. Neil might be a tad bit high with an A-, and Gonchar might deserved a bit better than a B.

Not bad. I've seen worse report cards from Garrioch/Brennan.
 
Here's my final grades....

Brennan F-
Garrioch F
Stevenson F
 
I don't see how JoB should get a D...29 games and 6 pts. I thought he did fantastic on the PK. On a team that struggled offencively all season I don't see -2 as worthy of a D.
 
Alfie: A. Anderson: A+. Benoit: B-. Conacher: C. Condra: B+. Cowen: was god awful but he missed most of the year so N/A. Gonchar: B+. Greening: C-. Gryba: B-. karlsson: B-. Kassian: lol. Latendresse: C+ (wasn't terrible but left a lot to be desired). Lehner: A-. michalek: C+. methot: A. Pageau: B+. Neil: B. Phillips: B. regin: Who?. Silfverberg: B. smith: B-. Spezza: N/A. Turris: B+. Patty:B-. Zibby: B-. Paulrus: A (would be an A+ if he had more respect.)
 
How did Gryba only get a "C"?

The guy wasn't even supposed to play a single game here this year. He' s not ever going to be a great player, and his ceiling is limited, but he exceeded every single expectation the organization had for him a hundred times over this year.

If Pageau got a "B", Gryba should get one too.






... then again, this is Don Brennan we're talking about. I'm actually impressed he was able to spell the player's names correctly, so full credit for that.
 
My issue with grading is mostly that it lacks proper context.

What does an A mean? A player like Condra would never ever get a B if the rating is to evaluate him against players like Karlsson and Spezza. If however he is rated against his salary/role on the team then he would be measured against what people expect him to do.

Given this type of context Gryba and Pageau warrant A+ because they exceeded expectations by a large margin.

You should assume that when a player does their job, they are given a B, then you work from there. Alfie gets an A-, Gonchar and Phillips get B+, Michalek gets a C, Anderson gets an A+, Regin a D, Silfverberg and Zibanejad get Bs etc.
 
I'd give Murray a C for getting tiny Conacher instead of renting a big forward for the playoff run. Especially with a $20 million under the cap to play with.

Little Pageau could be a Marty St.Louis in the long run, time will tell, but you can't have too many little guys for the Playoffs.
 
Rocket Richard said:
I'd give Murray a C for getting tiny Conacher instead of renting a big forward for the playoff run. Especially with a $20 million under the cap to play with.

Little Pageau could be a Marty St.Louis in the long run, time will tell, but you can't have too many little guys for the Playoffs.
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Guy was physical, scored a crucial game tying goal (saved the series from going 2-2, huge difference imo), drew countless penalties, and was basically a super fast Rutuu for us in his rookie year. Couldn't ask for more imo.
 
Super Six said:
Guy was physical, scored a crucial game tying goal (saved the series from going 2-2, huge difference imo), drew countless penalties, and was basically a super fast Rutuu for us in his rookie year. Couldn't ask for more imo.
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Conacher also took bad penalties, didn't produce much in the second series and was made a healthy scratch. He's not that great.

As for Don's grading, it's hilariously inept (as is most of his writing). He starts by saying no one will get the top grade (presumably an "A", since the "-" and "+" are variances on the base grade) and he gave 4 or 5 people an "A". Don. go back to school, perferably a speech/reading course so you don't sound like a drunk from the Chateau Lafayette when you're on the radio.

Also, Don usually rates skill lower and slow, plodding, big tough guys higher. That alone makes some of his grades puzzling to say the least.
 
SensFanDan said:
Conacher also took bad penalties, didn't produce much in the second series and was made a healthy scratch. He's not that great.

As for Don's grading, it's hilariously inept (as is most of his writing). He starts by saying no one will get the top grade (presumably an "A", since the "-" and "+" are variances on the base grade) and he gave 4 or 5 people an "A". Don. go back to school, perferably a speech/reading course so you don't sound like a drunk from the Chateau Lafayette when you're on the radio.

Also, Don usually rates skill lower and slow, plodding, big tough guys higher. That alone makes some of his grades puzzling to say the least.
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Not many of our players produced in the second series. Yea he took stupid penalties, but it's his rookie year. He's gonna be better after he learns what's acceptable when agitating that won't draw him a penalty.

I feel like he was only a healthy scratch because he was the newest member of the system, and still wasn't completely integrated yet. I remember most of the posters here dumbfounded as to why he was scratched. We all know what happened the game after.
 
Pageau should get an A- all things considered. He was one of our most consistent forwards since he came into the lineup.
 
Zorf said:
Donny boy Brennan released his final grades for the Senators.

I will list them the same way Brennan did (alphabetical)

Paulrus: A
GMBM: B+

Alfie: A
Anderson: A
Benoit: C+
Conacher: D+
Condra: C+
Cowen: D
Gonchar: B
Greening: C+
Gryba: C
Karlsson: B-
Kassian: C-
Latendresse: D-
Lehner: B+
Methot: A
Michalek: B
Neil: A-
Pageau: B
Phillips: B+
Regin: F
Silfverberg: B-
Smith: C+
Spezza: C
Turris: B+
Wiercioch: D+
Zibanejad: B-
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Michalek a B? Silf a B-? How in the world did Michalek got a better grade than silf?

I just don't understand how non of the rookies got more than a B-, but Michalek actually got a freaking B? This is a joke of a list.

Condra a C+? Do you even watch hockey? We were the best PK team in the regular season. Condra was the main part of that. He was also one of the leading point producers in the playoffs. He surely played his role well. He deserves a much higher than a C+.
 
Answer said:
Michalek a B? Silf a B-? How in the world did Michalek got a better grade than silf?

I just don't understand how non of the rookies got more than a B-, but Michalek actually got a freaking B? This is a joke of a list.

Condra a C+? Do you even watch hockey? We were the best PK team in the regular season. Condra was the main part of that. He was also one of the leading point producers in the playoffs. He surely played his role well. He deserves a much higher than a C+.
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Are you ranting at me or Don Brennan? I just copied Brennan's list to get the conversation started.

If you were ranting at me, yes, I do watch hockey, and if you read the rest of my post, you'd see that I did not agree with the Condra grade from Brennan. I said Condra deserved at least a B. His inability to produce points on a regular basis is the only thing that holds him back from an A, in my opinion.

And I put little weight to his point streak in the playoffs. That's much to small a sample size to base any argument on.
 
SensFanDan said:
Conacher also took bad penalties, didn't produce much in the second series and was made a healthy scratch. He's not that great.

He took bad penalties, did you see Turris, Gonchar ect., and who exactly produced in the second round. How did Pageau, Silf, and Zibby do the last two games ? He was scratched for Stone who couldn't keep up with the play, and turned the puck over a half dozen times. He will become a good player in this league when he puts it all together.
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I think Conacher has been incredibly undervalued by this fanbase.

He hasn't been amazing, but I'm confused as to what people thought he was.
 
Paulrus: A
GMBM: B

Alfie: A- (Healthy year, clutch moments. Age will never hit him and expect him to play next season. Oh captain, my captain.)
Anderson: A (Really? Solid all year long. Vezina will be his next year, book it!)
Benoit: B- (When he played, he was all around good. Ideal 7th Dman for this team.)
Conacher: C+ (Late addition might drop his grade, didn't produce as much as we wanted. Great energy and size doesn't stop him.)
Condra: B- (Still one, if not our best PK player. Stone hands missed a lot of chances, but playoff performance enhanced his grade)
Cowen: C (Miss 38 games, but was back to at least 3/4 of his game very quick. Although did show the lack of games this season in the playoffs.)
Gonchar: B (Great year, sure he made mistakes but without his play/leadership, we arguably wouldn't of been in the playoffs. Stepped up as expected when Karlsson went down.)
Greening: B- (He was way too invisible for a bit portion of the season. Showed up when the time counted the most *See Toronto goal*. Can't ignore his heroic plays in the Pittsburgh series)
Gryba: B- (Solid season when he played. Laid the hits he had to, stopped those who we couldn't let loose on the ice and was solid in his playoff games. Clean Eller hit aside, dude rocked.)
Karlsson: B (Freak accident made him miss 10 weeks but didn't stop him from coming back. This guys heart alone should get him an "A" grade. His rust did show when he returned, but made timely contributions. And well...Before his injury, he was just Norris.
Kassian: B- (This grade might surprise some. But when he was on the ice, he didn't make game decision mistakes to cost us the games. He knew when to drop them, laid the hits and showed more skating abilities than we had hoped for.
Latendresse: D (Showed he has hands, but those were used to sign this contract and a few good plays during the season. I like the guy and all, but after reviewing the season, could've had a prospect in his roster spot.)
Lehner: A- (This guy will be a ****ing monster. He stepped in when Anderson went down and was terrorizing the AHL before being called up. For more Lehner love, contact Mat_Sens.)
Methot: A+ (All season, this guy played the same game. Approach him, get hit. Showed flairs of offense during the playoffs and such. Glad to have him, definitely won that trade.)
Michalek: C- (Injuries again caught on to him. For the love of Alfie, someone donate him their knees! Didn't get must offense from him and I feel like he's only going downhill...Trade? Maybe with a off-season rehab and having Spezza around again will help him)
Neil: A (Just another Neil year.)
Pageau: B+ (Oh man, if he pans out the way we're talking on here, this guy will steal the show in Ottawa. Not a big guy, but MAN does he know how to play the body. Kids got game.
Phillips: B+ (I agree with most of the pros when they say that Phillips has been the most consistent defenceman all season long. He played solid and like always, excellent PK. Can't hate on the big rig scoring watch either!)
Regin: F (uck this guy)
Silfverberg: B- (I was hoping for more offense but I guess it was to be expected with him having to adjust to North American hockey. He was the leading scorer in Bingo before joining in and I'm sure that helped him a lot. Expecting a bit more from him next season. Maybe it's the big Silf homer in me, but he gets a B-)
Smith: C+ (His lack of scoring gives him a lower note. Sure he's an on and off point getter, but I want a bit more from him. Great defensively and plays the hits. No lack of fighting hands either, but offense was expected from him when Spezza went down.
Spezza: C+ (Before his injury, he was just being Spezza. Scoring at a PPG pace and lethal in the shootout. Mad props for him coming back from his injury too and he played a predictable game when he returned. Hoping no more back issues for Spezza.)
Turris: B+ (Big shoes to fill all season long and he did quite well. Definitely the 2nd line center we're looking for. Stepped up huge in the playoffs and hoping he plays that way next season for 82 games. I can see 50+ points easily from him next year.)
Wiercioch: B- (As a rookie, he played good. Showed that he has those offensive hands and that he could play in the NHL. If Gonchar is gone, he's an obvious candidate.)
Zibanejad: B (Another good rookie that proved us this year. He adjusted faster than Silfverberg even after coming back from injuries that ocured down in Bingo. He'll be a difference maker next season.)
 
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