Prospect Ranking Sens Board Prospects Ranking 2024 #11

[Xspyrit]

Sens Board Prospects Ranking 2024

1- Carter Yakemchuk 86.5% (Prospect Info: - Sens Board Prospects Ranking 2024 #1)
2- Tyler Kleven 71.0% (Prospect Info: - Sens Board Prospects Ranking 2024 #2)
3- Zack Ostapchuk 64.4% (Prospect Info: - Sens Board Prospects Ranking 2024 #3)
4- Stephen Halliday 42.0% (Prospect Info: - Sens Board Prospects Ranking 2024 #4)
5- Mads Søgaard 46.5% (Prospect Info: - Sens Board Prospects Ranking 2024 #5)
6- Leevi Merilainen 31.4% (Prospect Info: - Sens Board Prospects Ranking 2024 #6)
7- Jorian Donovan 39.2% (Prospect Info: - Sens Board Prospects Ranking 2024 #7)
8- Angus Crookshank 32.6% (Prospect Info: - Sens Board Prospects Ranking 2024 #8)
9- Matthew Andonovski 43.9% (Prospect Info: - Sens Board Prospects Ranking 2024 #9)
10- Xavier Bourgault 28.9% (Prospect Info: - Sens Board Prospects Ranking 2024 #10)
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As we have been doing since 2004, we simply use the old HF criterias for prospect eligibility (less than 65 NHL games and under 25 y/o).

Remember to vote based on all factors and not just if the prospect is more NHL ready than others. Overall skillset, hockey IQ, upside potential vs floor, age, stats, skating ability, shot quality, leadership qualities, size/strength, etc

Personally, I always ask myself, who would I draft BPA among these players?

Try to do some research on these kids, particularly the most recent ones. People are free to post links and videos about some of the prospects that should be voted soon, or even try to persuade others why a guy should be voted next! Spread info to help people vote.


Graduated players from 2023-24 (who are still in the organization) :

Ridley Greig and Jacob Bernard-Docker


To be added :

Kevin Reidler
Luke Ellinas
Eerik Wallenius
Cole Reinhardt
Filip Nordberg
Philippe Daoust
Vladimir Nikitin
Djibril Toure
Cameron O'Neill
Tyson Dyck
Jake Chiasson

Also, leaving the link of pre-2017 polls if anyone wants to bookmark the page

2016 Senators Prospects Top 30 + Past Rankings

:sens Top 30 Senators Prospects 2016 #1 Thomas Chabot Defence Saint John Sea Dogs, QMJHL Selected in the 1st Round, 18th Overall by Ottawa in 2015 Born: January 30, 1997; Nationality: CAN Last Season - GP:47 G:11 A:34 P:45 Ht: 6'02'' Wt: 181lbs Change: Up 2 #2 Logan Brown...

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[Xspyrit]

IMO it needs to be Guenette then Jenik now as these guys are more proven and/or have more pedigree

I understand the desire to vote Eliasson as he was a recent 39th OA pick but looking at the 2024 Consensus NHL Draft Rankings, he was expected to go 105th overall. Damn, another one of our legendary reaches. For a team that has had such a bad press these last 3 years and such a desperate need to replenish their prospect pool, they still haven't changed and think of themselves as the smartest guys in the room despite a pretty bad track record...

2024 Consensus NHL Draft Rankings

The 2024 NHL Entry Draft begins on Friday, and EOTP has been keeping track of most of the rankings to come out ahead of the draft. Some rankings have more correlation to how the draft will unfold than…

www.habseyesontheprize.com

Here's our picks vs where they were expected :

7th OA Carter Yakemchuk : 15th OA
39th OA Gabriel Eliasson : 105th OA
104th OA Luke Ellinas : not ranked
112th OA Javon Moore : 98th OA
117th OA Blake Montgomery : not ranked
136th OA Eerik Wallenius : not ranked

147 prospects were ranked... could have expected our 6 picks to have been ranked but not even, 3 were not ranked, reached on 2 but at least we got a good value pick on Javon Moore!

 

[RickyLafleur]

IMO it needs to be Guenette then Jenik now as these guys are more proven and/or have more pedigree

I understand the desire to vote Eliasson as he was a recent 39th OA pick but looking at the 2024 Consensus NHL Draft Rankings, he was expected to go 105th overall. Damn, another one of our legendary reaches. For a team that has had such a bad press these last 3 years and such a desperate need to replenish their prospect pool, they still haven't changed and think of themselves as the smartest guys in the room despite a pretty bad track record...

2024 Consensus NHL Draft Rankings

The 2024 NHL Entry Draft begins on Friday, and EOTP has been keeping track of most of the rankings to come out ahead of the draft. Some rankings have more correlation to how the draft will unfold than…

www.habseyesontheprize.com

Here's our picks vs where they were expected :

7th OA Carter Yakemchuk : 15th OA
39th OA Gabriel Eliasson : 105th OA
104th OA Luke Ellinas : not ranked
112th OA Javon Moore : 98th OA
117th OA Blake Montgomery : not ranked
136th OA Eerik Wallenius : not ranked

147 prospects were ranked... could have expected our 6 picks to have been ranked but not even, 3 were not ranked, reached on 2 but at least we got a good value pick on Javon Moore!

Ottawa typical...

 

[BondraTime]

Any consensous using Scouching, among others used, can be thrown away

 

[Xspyrit]

Any consensous using Scouching, among others used, can be thrown away

16 various sources, all the most popular ones... Scouching as bad as you think it is only represents 6.25% of the numbers

And this is all we have. Nothing better exists

If you want to discredit all of them except McKenzie, well, he had Yakemchuk 13th OA

 

[Emerica]

I’ll go with Hoyt

 

[Micklebot]

16 various sources, all the most popular ones... Scouching as bad as you think it is only represents 6.25% of the numbers

And this is all we have. Nothing better exists

If you want to discredit all of them except McKenzie, well, he had Yakemchuk 13th OA

I'd say just looking at Mackenzie would be better than adding the noise Scorching introduces.

Quality scouting is better than quantity,

 

[BondraTime]

16 various sources, all the most popular ones... Scouching as bad as you think it is only represents 6.25% of the numbers

And this is all we have. Nothing better exists

If you want to discredit all of them except McKenzie, well, he had Yakemchuk 13th OA

Would definitely discredit about half of them, and would definitely take McKenzies over a consensous list like that, where he specifially mentions its a 6 tier of D that could and any could go from 3-13, and the difference between the D ranked 6, 7, 8 and and then 13 was extremely minimal

 

[bicboi64]

Guennette because he'll get some games, but i want to say Eliasson because of his lust for violence.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Guenette got all my votes last year when few were voting for him. This year I'm giving them to Hoytie. Spread the love.

 

[Ouroboros]

The problem with these online scouts is that they all like the same type of player; they all have massive boners for undersized danglers/flashy players. Look at guys like Aron Kiviharju [ranked #44 vs drafted #122], Justin Poirier [ranked #65 vs drafted #156], Clarke Caswell [ranked #79 vs drafted #141], Alex Zetterberg [ranked #84 vs undrafted], and Christian Humphreys [ranked #87 vs drafted #215].

There examples of the opposite as well. Bigger, athletic, physical players who don't have a ton of counting stats are ranked lower. Obviously Eliasson is one, but there's also AJ Spellacy [ranked #111 vs drafted #72], Colin Ralph [ranked #96 vs drafted #48], Ilya Protas [ranked #134 vs drafted #75], Ethan Procyszyn [ranked #122 vs drafted #68].

I also find that the online scouts are less inclined to rank 2nd and 3rd year eligible players.

So the Senators are always going to be hard done by these online scouts. They target big, athletic, physical players almost exclusively and they tend to take overage players more than other clubs.

None of this is to say that Gabriel Eliasson was a good pick - I don't know that. If it were up to me he wouldn't have been the selection. However, he was ranked 55th on McKenzie's list which is the only list that has input from people that actually do the job. I suspect that had Ottawa not taken him he'd have gone off the board in the next dozen or so picks regardless.

Sometimes the strategy works and sometimes it doesn't, but one thing is for sure - the Sens go into the draft to get the guys they want with no considerations to how anybody else will view it.

 

[Hale The Villain]

The problem with these online scouts is that they all like the same type of player; they all have massive boners for undersized danglers/flashy players. Look at guys like Aron Kiviharju [ranked #44 vs drafted #122], Justin Poirier [ranked #65 vs drafted #156], Clarke Caswell [ranked #79 vs drafted #141], Alex Zetterberg [ranked #84 vs undrafted], and Christian Humphreys [ranked #87 vs drafted #215].

There examples of the opposite as well. Bigger, athletic, physical players who don't have a ton of counting stats are ranked lower. Obviously Eliasson is one, but there's also AJ Spellacy [ranked #111 vs drafted #72], Colin Ralph [ranked #96 vs drafted #48], Ilya Protas [ranked #134 vs drafted #75], Ethan Procyszyn [ranked #122 vs drafted #68].

I also find that the online scouts are less inclined to rank 2nd and 3rd year eligible players.

So the Senators are always going to be hard done by these online scouts. They target big, athletic, physical players almost exclusively and they tend to take overage players more than other clubs.

None of this is to say that Gabriel Eliasson was a good pick - I don't know that. If it were up to me he wouldn't have been the selection. However, he was ranked 55th on McKenzie's list which is the only list that has input from people that actually do the job. I suspect that had Ottawa not taken him he'd have gone off the board in the next dozen or so picks regardless.

Sometimes the strategy works and sometimes it doesn't, but one thing is for sure - the Sens go into the draft to get the guys they want with no considerations to how anybody else will view it.

Not defending online scout rankings, which are so often terribly off-base, particularly with day 2 players, but taking small/slow skill guys in the latter rounds is a smart strategy.

Look through previous drafts and you'll see most players who end up being difference makers (top 6 forwards or top 4 defensemen) are either players that lack size/speed (aka unathletic players) but have good skill/IQ.

Taking underlooked players out of Russia is another strategy that has historically paid dividends, as is drafting goalies in the later rounds (as opposed to high in the draft).

I can tell a team like the Canes has done it's research and identified these trends based on the way they draft. They may even take it a bit too far but I'd rather have a scouting staff that does that than be like the Sens and their dinosaur scouting staff who don't even consider players that don't fit their preferred mold (mainly big and tough).

 

[DrEasy]

Sometimes the strategy works and sometimes it doesn't, but one thing is for sure - the Sens go into the draft to get the guys they want with no considerations to how anybody else will view it.

Well if true then it's really dumb: you could still go after the guys you want, but knowing where they're ranked by others will allow you to wait a little longer and get other players in the meantime, or trade down and get more assets, etc. Sometimes the gamble will fail and you miss the guy you wanted, but on average you will come out ahead.

Tyler Boucher is exhibit A, but maybe trading down and still drafting Yakemchuk was another possibility (maybe they trader but it didn't work out though?). Same thing with Eliasson, Roger, etc.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The problem with these online scouts is that they all like the same type of player; they all have massive boners for undersized danglers/flashy players. Look at guys like Aron Kiviharju [ranked #44 vs drafted #122], Justin Poirier [ranked #65 vs drafted #156], Clarke Caswell [ranked #79 vs drafted #141], Alex Zetterberg [ranked #84 vs undrafted], and Christian Humphreys [ranked #87 vs drafted #215].

There examples of the opposite as well. Bigger, athletic, physical players who don't have a ton of counting stats are ranked lower. Obviously Eliasson is one, but there's also AJ Spellacy [ranked #111 vs drafted #72], Colin Ralph [ranked #96 vs drafted #48], Ilya Protas [ranked #134 vs drafted #75], Ethan Procyszyn [ranked #122 vs drafted #68].

I also find that the online scouts are less inclined to rank 2nd and 3rd year eligible players.

So the Senators are always going to be hard done by these online scouts. They target big, athletic, physical players almost exclusively and they tend to take overage players more than other clubs.

None of this is to say that Gabriel Eliasson was a good pick - I don't know that. If it were up to me he wouldn't have been the selection. However, he was ranked 55th on McKenzie's list which is the only list that has input from people that actually do the job. I suspect that had Ottawa not taken him he'd have gone off the board in the next dozen or so picks regardless.

Sometimes the strategy works and sometimes it doesn't, but one thing is for sure - the Sens go into the draft to get the guys they want with no considerations to how anybody else will view it.

Come Hell or High Water.

 

[bert]

Guenette had a much more productive season then Bourgault as a d man but loses. Interesting. I still voted Moore. Like his upside. At this point who knows. They're all mega long shots.

 

[bert]

Not defending online scout rankings, which are so often terribly off-base, particularly with day 2 players, but taking small/slow skill guys in the latter rounds is a smart strategy.

Look through previous drafts and you'll see most players who end up being difference makers (top 6 forwards or top 4 defensemen) are either players that lack size/speed (aka unathletic players) but have good skill/IQ.

Taking underlooked players out of Russia is another strategy that has historically paid dividends, as is drafting goalies in the later rounds (as opposed to high in the draft).

I can tell a team like the Canes has done it's research and identified these trends based on the way they draft. They may even take it a bit too far but I'd rather have a scouting staff that does that than be like the Sens and their dinosaur scouting staff who don't even consider players that don't fit their preferred mold (mainly big and tough).

Lol all ya need to say. Small slow skill players literally never play and the ones that do get a cup of coffee can be had for free in any offseason.

 

[DylanSensFan]

I'm voting Javon Moore. My gut feeling tells me he will move up the rankings quickly over the next couple of years

 

[Micklebot]

Lol all ya need to say. Small slow skill players literally never play and the ones that do get a cup of coffee can be had for free in any offseason.

I think he meant small or slow? Like Stone would qualify as a slow guy, point as a small guy,

Guys that are both small and slow, ya, that's not a winning combo

 

[Xspyrit]

I'd say just looking at Mackenzie would be better than adding the noise Scorching introduces.

Quality scouting is better than quantity,

Outside of McKenzie, I look at all lists about the same which is why I directly look at the consensus/average list since they don't seem that much more valuable one from another

Would definitely discredit about half of them, and would definitely take McKenzies over a consensous list like that, where he specifially mentions its a 6 tier of D that could and any could go from 3-13, and the difference between the D ranked 6, 7, 8 and and then 13 was extremely minimal

Could you make a short list ranking of which sources are more valuable in your opinion? I didn't even read the McKenzie article this year so missed that tidbit of info regarding the Ds but good if Yakemchuk is seen in the same tier as others (after Levshunov I suppose)

I personally didn't waste invest much time in scouting this year, due to apathy from the previous years... hard to be excited about the draft with how the last 3 years went lol

The problem with these online scouts is that they all like the same type of player; they all have massive boners for undersized danglers/flashy players. Look at guys like Aron Kiviharju [ranked #44 vs drafted #122], Justin Poirier [ranked #65 vs drafted #156], Clarke Caswell [ranked #79 vs drafted #141], Alex Zetterberg [ranked #84 vs undrafted], and Christian Humphreys [ranked #87 vs drafted #215].

There examples of the opposite as well. Bigger, athletic, physical players who don't have a ton of counting stats are ranked lower. Obviously Eliasson is one, but there's also AJ Spellacy [ranked #111 vs drafted #72], Colin Ralph [ranked #96 vs drafted #48], Ilya Protas [ranked #134 vs drafted #75], Ethan Procyszyn [ranked #122 vs drafted #68].

I also find that the online scouts are less inclined to rank 2nd and 3rd year eligible players.

So the Senators are always going to be hard done by these online scouts. They target big, athletic, physical players almost exclusively and they tend to take overage players more than other clubs.

None of this is to say that Gabriel Eliasson was a good pick - I don't know that. If it were up to me he wouldn't have been the selection. However, he was ranked 55th on McKenzie's list which is the only list that has input from people that actually do the job. I suspect that had Ottawa not taken him he'd have gone off the board in the next dozen or so picks regardless.

Sometimes the strategy works and sometimes it doesn't, but one thing is for sure - the Sens go into the draft to get the guys they want with no considerations to how anybody else will view it.

Awesome post, thanks. Eliasson ranked #55 on McKenzie's is a bit more encouraging than looking at the aggregated list but still a bit puzzling that they went with that pick after how well the Roger and Nordberg selections went so far.

 

[Xspyrit]

I think he meant small or slow? Like Stone would qualify as a slow guy, point as a small guy,

Guys that are both small and slow, ya, that's not a winning combo

Definitely small OR slow to me, unless I have no idea what a "/" is used for.

Well if true then it's really dumb: you could still go after the guys you want, but knowing where they're ranked by others will allow you to wait a little longer and get other players in the meantime, or trade down and get more assets, etc. Sometimes the gamble will fail and you miss the guy you wanted, but on average you will come out ahead.

Tyler Boucher is exhibit A, but maybe trading down and still drafting Yakemchuk was another possibility (maybe they trader but it didn't work out though?). Same thing with Eliasson, Roger, etc.

That's the thing with Tyler Boucher. Sens had the 39th OA pick. They had the conviction Boucher would not have been available at this point? ok then draft the BPA at 10th OA and try to move up to get Boucher. If it doesn't work or it's too expensive, then TOO BAD.

Who the HELL thought "ok this is a guy we really "CAN'T MISS" on drafting"? He needs to be canned yesterday

 

[Senator Stanley]

Definitely small OR slow to me, unless I have no idea what a "/" is used for.



That's the thing with Tyler Boucher. Sens had the 39th OA pick. They had the conviction Boucher would not have been available at this point? ok then draft the BPA at 10th OA and try to move up to get Boucher. If it doesn't work or it's too expensive, then TOO BAD.

Who the HELL thought "ok this is a guy we really "CAN'T MISS" on drafting"? He needs to be canned yesterday

My guess is the scouting staff had Boucher ranked somewhere in the top 10 (would it surprise anyone if he was ranked about Eklund and Johnson?), and he was their BPA at 10th overall. Everyone says "take the best player available" and that's what they did. The issue was with their evaluation of the player, and the person who most owns that pick - Trent Mann - is gone.

 

[Xspyrit]

My guess is the scouting staff had Boucher ranked somewhere in the top 10 (would it surprise anyone if he was ranked about Eklund and Johnson?), and he was their BPA at 10th overall. Everyone says "take the best player available" and that's what they did. The issue is with their evaluation of the player.

That is definitely more scary than the reality as I see it. I hope to Alfie they didn't have Tyler freaking Boucher as a Top-10 BPA in that draft.

 

[Senator Stanley]

That is definitely more scary than the reality as I see it. I hope to Alfie they didn't have Tyler freaking Boucher as the a Top-10 BPA in that draft.

They took him 10th overall. I think him being ranked in their top 10 is a safe assumption.

 

[Xspyrit]

They took him 10th overall. I think him being ranked in their top 10 is a safe assumption.

Chris Neil finished with 1026 games, one the greatest agitating bottom-6 liners in history and still wouldn't crack the Top-25 of that 1998 re-draft

How is it a good idea to get a player like that 10th OA when it was far from guaranteed you could get a near Neil 2.0 version?

Anyway, so puzzling, rather not talk about it too much

 

[Senator Stanley]

Chris Neil finished with 1026 games, one the greatest agitating bottom-6 liners in history and still wouldn't crack the Top-25 of that 1998 re-draft

How is it a good idea to get a player like that 10th OA when it was far from guaranteed?

Anyway, so puzzling, rather not talk about it too much

You would have to ask Trent Mann and Pierre Dorion. They're the only people in the world who thought that pick made sense.