Confirmed with Link: Senators are for sale - and it’s a Gong Show

[L'Aveuglette]

My properties, rents, valuations, all skyrocketed during Covid. Depends on where you are I guess, but real estate generally only goes one way. We just don't know how high.

My point about generational wealth has more to do with the fact that this family has been wealthy for generations. Melnyk was not . I think there is a difference in perception on stability when you look at it that way. It was just an observation. The Greenbergs are generational wealth. The Malhotras are going to be. But Bill Malhotra was the guy, and his sons are taking it to the next level. Same with the Bratty family who have taken it to the next level

Good on you for raising rent on people during an incredibly tough time!

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Yeah you can count on rich people not wanting to share spotlight with someone like Reynolds.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Yeah you can count on rich people not wanting to share spotlight with someone like Reynolds.

I am surprised that not a lot more weren't interested working with him. Only 1 our of 30 seems pretty good.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I am surprised that not a lot more weren't interested working with him. Only 1 our of 30 seems pretty good.

Really? These guys have massive egos. If the sens become more popular these guys want to be able to say they’re the owner of the sens. And they don’t want people’s responses to be “isn’t that Ryan Reynolds?”

I also doubt they want to plaster a colleagues face around. They want it to be their own face or a players. They want to sit in front of the cameras. If they’re affiliated with Reynolds press will always ask for him.

Also they’re going to have to face the disappointment in the escorts’ eyes when they show up and the girls were expecting Reynolds lol.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Really? These guys have massive egos. If the sens become more popular these guys want to be able to say they’re the owner of the sens. And they don’t want people’s responses to be “isn’t that Ryan Reynolds?”

I also doubt they want to plaster a colleagues face around. They want it to be their own face or a players. They want to sit in front of the cameras. If they’re affiliated with Reynolds press will always ask for him.

Also they’re going to have to face the disappointment in the escorts’ eyes when they show up and the girls were expecting Reynolds lol.

Yes that’s what I am saying. I am surprised that more groups didn’t tell Reynolds’s to beat it like the Desmerais group did, just for those reasons you outlined.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Apparently Andre is the only family member that wanted the Sens. The rest apparently want the habs…. Lol

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Yes that’s what I am saying. I am surprised that more groups didn’t tell Reynolds’s to beat it like the Desmerais group did, just for those reasons you outlined.

Ohhhh misread your post. Yeah. They’re losers

 

[Silky Johnson]

Oh, so you're an expert in how this operates now? The league saying on record that they aren't involved in negotiations unless specifically request isn't accurate I suppose?

What is obvious is the league would rather avoid litigation if it can, and deciding to veto the best offers is a sure fire way to invite litigation, the idea that billionaires are going to allow someone else to make the decision on who they sell their assets to just seems a touch far fetched, the Melnyk's will likely only care in so much as they get their money, so if there are three equivalent offers, I'm sure they'll be more than willing to differ to the leagues preference, but if three teams get past intitial screenings and the league tries to veto a better offer, there will be 31 other owners thinking about what's going to happen when they sell.

This is correct. If the league vetoed a well funded competent buyer with no obvious skeletons in their closet who had the highest bid, they would be begging to get sued.

More importantly why would they? Why would the BOG vote for one of their own to get less money? They certainly would not be in favour setting the precedent for arbitrarily limiting sale price...

Balsille was different because he was on the record for forcing a move of the team.

 

[Samsquanch]

Honestly it has to be Ryan Reynolds' group imo. The league will not let this opportunity slip away, and they 100% guaranteed were advising him on what to do at every step throughout this process.

It's hard to put a value on the potential exposure that Reynolds would bring to the NHL and Senators franchise, but its damn close to priceless to Gary Bettman and friends.

Your living in dreamland if you don't believe that behind the scenes Gary Bettman is like the Grand Puppet Master pulling all the strings, or if you dont believe that this sale will go down any other way than EXACTLY how Gary wants it to go down.

If Gary tells the owners and BOGs that they need Ryan Reynolds in the fold no matter what, and I have no doubt he would get a majority vote in his favor - they can veto any group they want in the bidding process.

They absolutely do have the ultimate authority and say, and its not just going to the highest bidder. This is a unique situation where the owners will collectively agree that Reynolds is the right "business" decision in the greater interest of the league and game.

Point is that Gary isn't going to lose the faith of the owners if the sale of the Sens doesn't go to the straight the highest bidder, or make them nervous about the future sale of their own team.

The sale of the Senators with the arena deal and Reynolds as added layers makes it easy to justify Bettman pulling all the strings behind the scenes to get his pick of owners.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

From Garrioch's spot on the McCown podcast

- 1st Rd of bids due Feb 25th.
- RR met with 30 groups (what???)
- Desmarais only group not wanting to work with RR
- Bratty group willing to let RR do RR stuff,
- McCown or maybe it was Shannon says Bratty group has enemies out there?
- Garrioch thinks RR ran his plan to join Remington group by Bettman ahead of time
- McCown, the highest bid will get the franchise, RR alone won't get them the team.
- G expects 3 or 4 contenders to seperate themselves after 1st round of bids.
- thinks RR will bring in corporate sponsors
- Thinks Alfie will be involved, will work with Front office

Iirc, Desmarais is the group who has been at the table the longest. I wonder what their reasoning is to go without the obvious publicity generator in RR.

 

[Samsquanch]

Iirc, Desmarais is the group who has been at the table the longest. I wonder what their reasoning is to go without the obvious publicity generator in RR.

Agreed its a moronic move that surely stemmed from a huge ego at work...

And its why Gary will make sure he doesn't get it (from the shadows). Imo. How can you trust someone's business decisions (as an NHL owner) when they f***ed up so badly before even getting to the starting line, and missed the bigger picture completely.

You want everyone pulling in the same direction, especially a brand new member of the club. Tow the line a while before pulling a heavy alpha kinda move like brushing off Ryan Reynolds...You certainly don't want an owner who thinks his own personal brand is more important than the growth of the league and its revenue.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Agreed its a moronic move that surely stemmed from a huge ego at work...

And its why Gary will make sure he doesn't get it (from the shadows). Imo. How can you trust someone's business decisions (as an NHL owner) when they f***ed up so badly before even getting to the starting line, and missing the bigger picture completely.

You want everyone pulling in the same direction, especially a brand new member of the club. Tow the line a while before pulling a heavy alpha kinda move like brushing off Ryan Reynolds....You certainly don't want an owner who thinks his own personal brand is more important than the growth of the league and its revenue.

lol, dude relax. It's Ryan Reynolds, not Marlon Brando.

To be honest, I want an owner who is about creating the best organization and stability possible. One who will ensure we get a high quality arena and entertainment are (and whatever housing/commercial development the rest of the Flats turns into), as well as a well run team (both here and Belleville). Branding and PR does have a place, but it's a few steps down the list.

Having a popular public figurehead is a bonus, not the bedrock of a strong bid.

 

[Samsquanch]

lol, dude relax. It's Ryan Reynolds, not Marlon Brando.

To be honest, I want an owner who is about creating the best organization and stability possible. One who will ensure we get a high quality arena and entertainment are (and whatever housing/commercial development the rest of the Flats turns into), as well as a well run team (both here and Belleville). Branding and PR does have a place, but it's a few steps down the list.

Having a popular public figurehead is a bonus, not the bedrock of a strong bid.

Marlon Brando lmfao. You should have said Michael Jackson or the Beatles or something to make your point lol. Brando was all counter culture.

Reynolds is not the foundation of a solid ownership group - but he's the cherry on top that could push and single one of the bidders over the finish line. You make it seem like Im supporting a group that he's the financial backbone of.

No. He's chosen a wealthy group with a huge history of property development thats convinced him that they want to win. And he's a public figurehead that's willing to put his name on it - which means you get all of the things you want. Like stability. A new arena. And a commitment to win.

Everything this guy touches turns to gold. Seriously.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Marlon Brando lmfao. You should have said Michael Jackson or something to make your point lol. Brando was all counter culture.

Reynolds is not the foundation of a solid ownership group - but he's the cherry on top that could push and single one of the bidders over the finish line. You make it seem like Im supporting a group that he's the financial backbone of.

No. He's chosen a group with a huge history of property development. And he's a public figurehead that's willing to put his name on it - which means you get all of the things you want. Like stability. A new arena. And a commitment to win.

Everything this guy touches turns to gold. Seriously.

I chose Brando for the power factor. Dude practically owned Hollywood for a few decades. If he didn't like you, you had no hope of ever having a career. If he did like you or liked whatever project you were on, you could be guaranteed it would get the A-List treatment and promotion everywhere. Dude had pull that no actor has seen since. Not even the likes of Tom Cruise in his hayday could match it.

 

[Samsquanch]

I chose Brando for the power factor. Dude practically owned Hollywood for a few decades. If he didn't like you, you had no hope of ever having a career. If he did like you or liked whatever project you were on, you could be guaranteed it would get the A-List treatment and promotion everywhere. Dude had pull that no actor has seen since. Not even the likes of Tom Cruise in his hayday could match it.

Still not getting the comparison to a social media genius with no shame in self promoting his brands owning the team VS an old school Hollywood actor (powerbroker?) that would would draw in no one but his diehards to see his hockey team. But I digress.

Imo, Reynolds at his current level of celebrity and outreach makes him more popular as a potential owner than peak Brando would have ever been. He was a weirdo and most people just chalked it up to being a gifted "actor". You wanted to see his movies, not his weird private life lol.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

You dont know any of this. You are simply saying it because you are trying to cover for your previous posts. You absolutely suggested the attendance wasnt a Melnyk issue. Ottawa selling out games and their T.V deal is not a small market team. Wrong on that one too.

Melnyk was NOT a reason for the vast Majority of fans that did not attend games ….. it was the reason for the few die hard Melnyk haters, some who post here, for not attending games… and they are a minuscule minority. The average Sens fan, who did not attend games, did so for a number of reasons, including cellar dweller teams during the rebuild, location of CTC and others.

Ottawa is 100% absolutely a small market Canadian team… and their revenues from all forms of advertising, including television reflects that. To think that tv advertisers are going to pay the same rate for a 30 second spot for a Sens games, as they would for a leafs or habs game is ludicrous.

 

[Tuna99]

Honestly it has to be Ryan Reynolds' group imo. The league will not let this opportunity slip away, and they 100% guaranteed were advising him on what to do at every step throughout this process.

It's hard to put a value on the potential exposure that Reynolds would bring to the NHL and Senators franchise, but its damn close to priceless to Gary Bettman and friends.

Your living in dreamland if you don't believe that behind the scenes Gary Bettman is like the Grand Puppet Master pulling all the strings, or if you dont believe that this sale will go down any other way than EXACTLY how Gary wants it to go down.

If Gary tells the owners and BOGs that they need Ryan Reynolds in the fold no matter what, and I have no doubt he would get a majority vote in his favor - they can veto any group they want in the bidding process.

They absolutely do have the ultimate authority and say, and its not just going to the highest bidder. This is a unique situation where the owners will collectively agree that Reynolds is the right "business" decision in the greater interest of the league and game.

Point is that Gary isn't going to lose the faith of the owners if the sale of the Sens doesn't go to the straight the highest bidder, or make them nervous about the future sale of their own team.

The sale of the Senators with the arena deal and Reynolds as added layers makes it easy to justify Bettman pulling all the strings behind the scenes to get his pick of owners.

this RR rumour is so Ottawa Senators, if he isn’t part of the team every fan will start their relationship with the new owners very very disappointed with the outcome

 

[Golden_Jet]

Melnyk was NOT a reason for the vast Majority of fans that did not attend games ….. it was the reason for the few die hard Melnyk haters, some who post here, for not attending games… and they are a minuscule minority. The average Sens fan, who did not attend games, did so for a number of reasons, including cellar dweller teams during the rebuild, location of CTC and others.

Ottawa is 100% absolutely a small market Canadian team… and their revenues from all forms of advertising, including television reflects that. To think that tv advertisers are going to pay the same rate for a 30 second spot for a Sens games, as they would for a leafs or habs game is ludicrous.

the Senators have one of the higher regional TV deals in the league.

 

[Big Muddy]

Iirc, Desmarais is the group who has been at the table the longest. I wonder what their reasoning is to go without the obvious publicity generator in RR.

If the winning bidder (or joint venture) doesn't have Reynolds on its team, it doesn't seem like there's anything that precludes them from hiring his services to do his thing after the award of the franchise has been made.

 

[TeamRenzo]

lol, dude relax. It's Ryan Reynolds, not Marlon Brando.

To be honest, I want an owner who is about creating the best organization and stability possible. One who will ensure we get a high quality arena and entertainment are (and whatever housing/commercial development the rest of the Flats turns into), as well as a well run team (both here and Belleville). Branding and PR does have a place, but it's a few steps down the list.

Having a popular public figurehead is a bonus, not the bedrock of a strong bid.

Whether you care for his movies or not, RR is one of the biggest names in Hollywood. His name attached to an ownership group will help drive revenue for the entire league and if they make an HBO show about the Sens, then Ottawa is an attractive place to play and it becomes much easier to retain players and attract FA.

This is good for everyone and the league knows it.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Honestly it has to be Ryan Reynolds' group imo. The league will not let this opportunity slip away, and they 100% guaranteed were advising him on what to do at every step throughout this process.

It's hard to put a value on the potential exposure that Reynolds would bring to the NHL and Senators franchise, but its damn close to priceless to Gary Bettman and friends.

Your living in dreamland if you don't believe that behind the scenes Gary Bettman is like the Grand Puppet Master pulling all the strings, or if you dont believe that this sale will go down any other way than EXACTLY how Gary wants it to go down.

If Gary tells the owners and BOGs that they need Ryan Reynolds in the fold no matter what, and I have no doubt he would get a majority vote in his favor - they can veto any group they want in the bidding process.

They absolutely do have the ultimate authority and say, and its not just going to the highest bidder. This is a unique situation where the owners will collectively agree that Reynolds is the right "business" decision in the greater interest of the league and game.

Point is that Gary isn't going to lose the faith of the owners if the sale of the Sens doesn't go to the straight the highest bidder, or make them nervous about the future sale of their own team.

The sale of the Senators with the arena deal and Reynolds as added layers makes it easy to justify Bettman pulling all the strings behind the scenes to get his pick of owners.

IF Bettman decides ultimately, they could just announce who the new owner will be now and forego all of the hassle, time, energy and money to go through the bidding process. Bettman's stake (skin/money) in this game is much less than the owners. Do you let some else have total control of your money without any supervision or oversight on your part? You're just guessing & offering an opinion.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Melnyk was NOT a reason for the vast Majority of fans that did not attend games ….. it was the reason for the few die hard Melnyk haters, some who post here, for not attending games… and they are a minuscule minority. The average Sens fan, who did not attend games, did so for a number of reasons, including cellar dweller teams during the rebuild, location of CTC and others.

Ottawa is 100% absolutely a small market Canadian team… and their revenues from all forms of advertising, including television reflects that. To think that tv advertisers are going to pay the same rate for a 30 second spot for a Sens games, as they would for a leafs or habs game is ludicrous.

It was the sum of the parts. Melnyk being a shitty owner played into it like the other factors. Pretending otherwise is silly.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Whether you care for his movies or not, RR is one of the biggest names in Hollywood. His name attached to an ownership group will help drive revenue for the entire league and if they make an HBO show about the Sens, then Ottawa is an attractive place to play and it becomes much easier to retain players and attract FA.

This is good for everyone and the league knows it.

Sure, RR would bring in revenue and notoriety to the team and league for a couple years. But what happens when people don't want to watch season 4 of the "Sens behind the scenes" reality show? Pop culture has gotten so insanely fickle the past decade, that I wonder about any long-term longevity by trying to chase those "fad" dollars.

 

[Ice-Tray]

This is correct. If the league vetoed a well funded competent buyer with no obvious skeletons in their closet who had the highest bid, they would be begging to get sued.

More importantly why would they? Why would the BOG vote for one of their own to get less money? They certainly would not be in favour setting the precedent for arbitrarily limiting sale price...

Balsille was different because he was on the record for forcing a move of the team.

Because some offers have the ability to make the league a ton more money, and more exposure, not just cash for the outgoing owner.

It’s the reason why Bettman has been apparently counselling RR on his moves.

The money has to be on par across the competing bids to make the outgoing owner happy, the rest is on what the incoming owner has to offer.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Agreed its a moronic move that surely stemmed from a huge ego at work...

And its why Gary will make sure he doesn't get it (from the shadows). Imo. How can you trust someone's business decisions (as an NHL owner) when they f***ed up so badly before even getting to the starting line, and missed the bigger picture completely.

You want everyone pulling in the same direction, especially a brand new member of the club. Tow the line a while before pulling a heavy alpha kinda move like brushing off Ryan Reynolds...You certainly don't want an owner who thinks his own personal brand is more important than the growth of the league and its revenue.

Garrioche was saying that only Andre wants to by the Sens, the rest of the family does not. They want to buy the habs.

If true, that’s not really an ownership group I’m interested in personally lol.