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Waived: Semin (unconditional waivers for purpose of his release)
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Getting rid of Semin was a mistake
He was part of our offensive juggernaut to start the season.
He didn't put up big numbers but he was creating chances. We had 3 lines that were constantly buzzing in the offensive zone and wearing teams down.
Now it's time to see if Carr, Andrighetto, Hudon, and McCarron can fill the holes in the top 9. Byron, Flynn, DSP, and Mitchell won't do and need to be kept on the 4th line.
Pacioretty Plekanec Carr
Eller Galchenyuk Andrighetto
Fleishmann DD Weise
Flynn Mitchell Byron/DSP
He was part of our offensive juggernaut to start the season.
He didn't put up big numbers but he was creating chances. We had 3 lines that were constantly buzzing in the offensive zone and wearing teams down.
Now it's time to see if Carr, Andrighetto, Hudon, and McCarron can fill the holes in the top 9. Byron, Flynn, DSP, and Mitchell won't do and need to be kept on the 4th line.
Pacioretty Plekanec Carr
Eller Galchenyuk Andrighetto
Fleishmann DD Weise
Flynn Mitchell Byron/DSP
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Won't turn this into another Therrien hate thread but hiring him was the mistake. A player like Semin will never thrive with a coach like Therrien. Not to say that the Semin was the best example, he also regressed tremendously but not allowing any sense of stability didn't help. The biggest example of failure of managing offense first players in a defensive system to me was Vanek. How he can made Vanek look like a bottom pairing grinder is the perfect example of how these players will never work here sadly. I hoped it to be different considering how cheap Semin came and how well they played in the off season but that wasn't meant to be. Both from Semin being out of his league currently and Therrien not knowing how extract the best of his players.
Habs thought Semin was a COMPLETE waste of a roster spot. Apparently, 29 other teams agreed and did not pick him up for free on waivers.
But apparently you, and a few other people here, think you know better.
Newsflash : You don't.
Semin was too slow, bad defensively and heartless to continue being a NHLer given the detoriation of his actual skills.
Carr, Ghetto, Hudon, McCarron, Byron, Thomas, just about anyone was better than him.
Getting rid of him was the most obvious move we will see this season. That said, at the start of the season the kids could use the playing time in SJ, and Semin as a warm body bought us a little time.
But apparently you, and a few other people here, think you know better.
Newsflash : You don't.
Semin was too slow, bad defensively and heartless to continue being a NHLer given the detoriation of his actual skills.
Carr, Ghetto, Hudon, McCarron, Byron, Thomas, just about anyone was better than him.
Getting rid of him was the most obvious move we will see this season. That said, at the start of the season the kids could use the playing time in SJ, and Semin as a warm body bought us a little time.
29 other GMs passed on Fleishmann, 30 GMs passed on Martin St. Louis when he was on waivers, etc...
I just don't want to see Flynn, DSP, Mitchell or Byron in the top 9.
GMs passed on flash due to his health issues, and to how his play had regressed. He did get a tryout with us and we decided to sign him after his good play. If he were to go through waivers right now, I have little doubt he'd get claimed. So ultimately, he proved himself as still a NHLer, and stuck around. Semin did not and he's now in the KHL. Not sure how that proves your point.
As for St-Louis, I don't know what he has to do with Semin. One is a late bloomer who took a while to become an impact player after putting in a lot of hard work, and the other is a lazy player who had success early on and then lost his place at the NHL level (for this season anyway). Perhaps Semin can reinvent himself and find a way back to the NHL with hard work, and what not. But as things currently stand, he's not a NHLer anymore, and we weren't going to carry that luggage around in the faint hope he could turn it around next season.
No one does, but I'd still rather have them in the top 9 than Semin.
Thankfully, part of this problem will be solved when Gallagher comes back. And hopefully, MB fills that hole on RW that everyone's wanted him to fill for a while. Kassian and Semin weren't the solution.
Telling the truth is not being naughty !
Although I admit I could have said it more tactfully. It gets tiring to see posters second guess every little thing though, especially something as obvious as Semin being let go.
Teams skipping on players happens alll the time for your information, doesn't mean that's the right decision. Kassian was offered for free to all teams and nobody wanted him and I think there's a possibility that he's gonna be able to help us in a couple of weeks. I guess we are going to be dumb enough to play a player who 29 other GMs didnt want for free.
No.
Getting rid of Semin was the right move.
Not immediately going out and trading for a top 6 RW to replace him was the mistake.
This RW issue is all on MB.
He needs to get his head out of his ass and stop trying to fill top 6 roles with cheap past their prime vets, 4th line grinders, and AHL rookies.
Getting rid of Semin was the right move.
Not immediately going out and trading for a top 6 RW to replace him was the mistake.
This RW issue is all on MB.
He needs to get his head out of his ass and stop trying to fill top 6 roles with cheap past their prime vets, 4th line grinders, and AHL rookies.
Kassian has missed a lot of time to injury/suspension and makes 1.8M.
As for Semin, he was in game shape, had played since the start of the season, had a 100% "bury-able" contract if things didn't work out, and came free of charge but still, no one saw any worth in him.
Apples and oranges.
Here's the thing though. The 3 guys who have played on our RW are Carr, Byron and Andrighetto. They all have the most goals in december for this team.
The replacement players did their job just fine. The problem isn't so much the replacement players, it's the actual star players we have ! In december, Pacioretty, Subban, Markov and Plekanec have combined for less goals than either one of Ghetto, Carr or Byron !!!! That is the real problem here.
^^ THIS 100%
this whole mess is on MB's shoulders, he is more to blame then MT,
he has known for 3 years we need scoring and has done NOTHING!
all he does is shuffle around minor league players, making stupid little trades that accomplish NOTHING!
why bother trading for DSP?....why bother picking up 2 buffalo rejects?....don't even get me started on the Vanek BUST!
i am starting to think he makes these dumb little trades just so people think he is not asleep....Lessio?....really? WTF?
the only reason this team has SLIGHTLY improved since MB has been here is because carey price's play has improved, thats it!
carey price has masked all the problems this team has,
the only credit i will give MB is getting petry, and even that is not a big deal as i consider him an average at best defense man, and think he over paid with his extended contract just like he did PK,
MB has no negotiating skills whatsoever,
we now see what a horrible defense man PK is with price not bailing him out all the time,
if i am in price's shoes i am thinking "if this give away leader in PK is getting 9 million, im asking 15 million next contract"
it would not surprise me ONE BIT if price pulled a patrick roy at the end of his contract and said "enough of this crap, i am out of here!"
if he walks i will not be shocked in the least, he will probably sign elsewhere for less money, the guy is probably sick of this team and its management, or i should say lack of it
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I wanted Semin to thrive here so badly when we got him. But watching him play was actually kind of painful. So slow, no compete, no skating, didn't even shoot the puck and rarely noticed him other and when I did I cringed most of the time.
FireBurningBin
please
You can't immediately go out and get a top 6 forward right now, without overpaying by a lot. Which is why ideally we pick up someone during the offseason.
Semin's legs and wrist are done.
Semin's legs and wrist are done.
agreed but he has had THREE YEARS to do this,
do you really need me to list all the top 6 forwards that were available during this time?.....and every one of them would be better then any current forward we have now
I also wanted Semin to succeed and think that he got let go a bit too early. I don't agree that he played a lazy game, the effort was here but he had slowed down.
The Semin experience didn't work but he really seemed like a good teammate and I do believe he had the teams success at heart.
The Semin experience didn't work but he really seemed like a good teammate and I do believe he had the teams success at heart.
LaP
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I would not say getting rid of him was a mistake. But getting rid of him so fast might have been a mistake.
Unless everyone in the locker room hated him with a passion getting rid of him before giving him a fair chance was a dumb move.
If the guy replacing him was a young player doing great then no problem but the guy replacing him (Byron) is not any better in my book. He might be a better person but purely as an hockey player outside of the pk he brings nothing more and we have more than enough pkers without him in the lineup. I don't see the hard worker in Byron others see. Gallagher is a hard worker. Byron he doesn't work harder than Plekanec or Patch or anyone else in this team. He certainly doesn't work hard enough for the skills and size he got.
It was a lateral move at best. So like i said unless Semin was the antichrist dumb move at best in my book.
This said Semin itself would not change anything. But i think MB gives too much leash to MT. It's not a good thing.
Unless everyone in the locker room hated him with a passion getting rid of him before giving him a fair chance was a dumb move.
If the guy replacing him was a young player doing great then no problem but the guy replacing him (Byron) is not any better in my book. He might be a better person but purely as an hockey player outside of the pk he brings nothing more and we have more than enough pkers without him in the lineup. I don't see the hard worker in Byron others see. Gallagher is a hard worker. Byron he doesn't work harder than Plekanec or Patch or anyone else in this team. He certainly doesn't work hard enough for the skills and size he got.
It was a lateral move at best. So like i said unless Semin was the antichrist dumb move at best in my book.
This said Semin itself would not change anything. But i think MB gives too much leash to MT. It's not a good thing.
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FireBurningBin
please
That's not what was said. What was suggested (by someone else) was that he immediately get a top 6 winger to replace him, which isn't possible.
We should have went harder after Sharp, who seemingly was packaged with a good prospect for a cap dump.
Uncle Gary
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I have to say I agree completely. It was shocking to see just how slow he had become. His shot seemed to be done too.
LaP
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Lot of other teams agreed that Byron was a waste of a roster spot too (unless we spoke first at waivers but last time i checked the best team of previous season spoke last but maybe it changed).
Like i said getting rid of Semin no problem there. Replacing him by Byron in the top 9 ...
Milhouse40
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Getting rid of Semin wasn't a mistake.
Getting rid of Parenteau was a mistake.
And i don't even like Parenteau, too soft in my book.
We bought out Parenteau who was a RW who had one year left.
Now he's on the cap for 2 years at 1,33M$
Got out and missed out on a couple of good fit for the Habs and eventually signed Semin for 1.1M, which was not any better than PAP at this point.
PAP has been pretty much glued to Desharnais the entire season (http://www.cs.unb.ca/~mwf/habs/2014-15/regseason/forw_15PP.html)
Which was a bad fit from the start. Two soft guys who like to pass first.
As i said, i don't even like Parenteau (i would be calling him dead money if he was on the Habs right now, lol)
But honestly, right now i would gladly want to see a line of Eller-Galchenyuk-Parenteau.
A lot more than seeing my RW meltdown, 1,33M$ in dead cap space for 2 years and my hands empty.
It makes it so even worst that Parenteau is playing top 6 (with Bozak and JVR).
Producing well on the point on the PP (Something Therrien only tried once, scored a goal, never tried ever again)
PAP has 8 goals which is as much or more than Plekanec, Desharnais, Galchenyuk, Fleischmann and Eller.
The mistake was to buyout Parenteau and replacing him by the exact same type of player.
We did buy him out because Therrien hated him.
Now, we have Gallagher, Weise, Byron, DSP, Andrighetto.
That's so much better. Thanks Mike!
Getting rid of Parenteau was a mistake.
And i don't even like Parenteau, too soft in my book.
We bought out Parenteau who was a RW who had one year left.
Now he's on the cap for 2 years at 1,33M$
Got out and missed out on a couple of good fit for the Habs and eventually signed Semin for 1.1M, which was not any better than PAP at this point.
PAP has been pretty much glued to Desharnais the entire season (http://www.cs.unb.ca/~mwf/habs/2014-15/regseason/forw_15PP.html)
Which was a bad fit from the start. Two soft guys who like to pass first.
As i said, i don't even like Parenteau (i would be calling him dead money if he was on the Habs right now, lol)
But honestly, right now i would gladly want to see a line of Eller-Galchenyuk-Parenteau.
A lot more than seeing my RW meltdown, 1,33M$ in dead cap space for 2 years and my hands empty.
It makes it so even worst that Parenteau is playing top 6 (with Bozak and JVR).
Producing well on the point on the PP (Something Therrien only tried once, scored a goal, never tried ever again)
PAP has 8 goals which is as much or more than Plekanec, Desharnais, Galchenyuk, Fleischmann and Eller.
The mistake was to buyout Parenteau and replacing him by the exact same type of player.
We did buy him out because Therrien hated him.
Now, we have Gallagher, Weise, Byron, DSP, Andrighetto.
That's so much better. Thanks Mike!
PAP is a perfect example of how much coaching matters, he stunk here and is thriving in toronto playing with players of less skill,
Babcock knows how to make his players thrive, he knows his players strengths and weaknesses and uses them accordingly,
we may joke about how much they paid him, but IMO its worth it,
if i had a choice between PK at 9 million, or babcock at 8 million there would be no question who i would take,
LaP
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Patch actually has 2 goals in december. 2 winning goals. Plekanec is putrid no denying that. Subban and Markov are dmen.
Still having a waived player in the top 6 of a supposedly contending team is being stupid beyond stupid. Specially a player having more points and goals in pk than at 5 vs 5 ...
Playing guys like Byron, Flynn and Eller on the wing in the top 6 is certainly part of the problem. All the weight of the offense is then on the shoulders of 4 other players and it makes the work of the opponent team's defense way way easier.
Don't get me wrong Plekanec is not a first line center. Patch is soft. AG is not a good enough person for MT and Gallagher is awesome. But if you expect them to do wonders without a little help then you are not watching the same game as i am. You're not contending with Byron, Flynn, Carr and/or Eller as your 2nd line wingers. No team would. As soon as you have an injury to any of the 4 other players then you are done as simple as that.
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Coach is a strange man. Tinkers with **** and gets a result but then abandons it?
I've come to the conclusion that he hates when things work outside of the scope of HIS understanding.
Which begs to question why does he tinker in the first place.
The continual dismantling of lines, trios, duos, and pairings that were either working fine or starting to show chemistry is mind boggling. Be thankful he is not your auto mechanic because your car would never be tuned properly for very long.
I've come to the conclusion that he hates when things work outside of the scope of HIS understanding.
Which begs to question why does he tinker in the first place.
The continual dismantling of lines, trios, duos, and pairings that were either working fine or starting to show chemistry is mind boggling. Be thankful he is not your auto mechanic because your car would never be tuned properly for very long.
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