John Eichel da GOAT
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Value of: Sedins at the deadline
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I don't think that any team will trade for them this year with the expansion draft coming, as they would be forced to protect a couple of declining 36 year old second liners.
I don't think any team can afford them at their current price, the Canucks would probably have to retain.
I could see Montreal, Minnesota, Blues, Ducks and Nashville as possible matches.
It matters if we are taking back any cap dumps, which we probably will and how much money we retain. I would be fine with just a 1st and couple of other okay/medicore peices (3rd and okay prospects) I really just want to see them win a cup somewhere
I don't think any team can afford them at their current price, the Canucks would probably have to retain.
I could see Montreal, Minnesota, Blues, Ducks and Nashville as possible matches.
It matters if we are taking back any cap dumps, which we probably will and how much money we retain. I would be fine with just a 1st and couple of other okay/medicore peices (3rd and okay prospects) I really just want to see them win a cup somewhere
Best fit for them at 50% retained would be Nashville IMO.
Curently have ~4M in cap space, Have Fisher and Ribiero contracts expiring at the end of the season, and the only real costly signing next year will be RyJo.
Top 9 for Playoffs
Forsberg Johanson Neal
Sedin Sedin Smith
Wilson Riberio Fisher
Not sure what the ask/price would be, Canucks would obviously inquire about some sort of combination involving 2017 1st, Janrock, Fabbro, Fiala, Dougherty, Girard, Trenin, Kamenev. Nashville actually has a good prospect pool where a deal wont completely cripple them.
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We're not trading for them this year. Doing so would mean we lose either Ellis or one of Neal, Forsberg and Johansen in the expansion draft. We wouldn't be giving up any top prospects either. If that means they end up going somewhere else, fine.
No team is going to trade assets for them this year and use two protection slots in the expansion draft on them. Do it after the draft and see what comes up.
John Eichel da GOAT
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At the TDL
Vancouver - Henrik Sedin and Dan Sedin at 50% = $7,000,000
for
Montreal - Plekanec (throw away) + Desharnais + 2017-1st + Juulsen + McCarron + 2018-2nd = $9,800,000
This upgrades Montreal in so many ways, and gives them the best chance at the Cup in years, this also frees up an Additional 2.8 million in cap space for an additional playoff run upgrade, if they wish.
For Vancouver it allows them to transition to their next phase of their rebuild, and allowing the Sedin's 2 chances at the cup in the next 2 years.
Vancouver also has the option of moving the traded players to other contenders for additional picks..........
To me Montreal wins this trade hands down
Vancouver - Henrik Sedin and Dan Sedin at 50% = $7,000,000
for
Montreal - Plekanec (throw away) + Desharnais + 2017-1st + Juulsen + McCarron + 2018-2nd = $9,800,000
This upgrades Montreal in so many ways, and gives them the best chance at the Cup in years, this also frees up an Additional 2.8 million in cap space for an additional playoff run upgrade, if they wish.
For Vancouver it allows them to transition to their next phase of their rebuild, and allowing the Sedin's 2 chances at the cup in the next 2 years.
Vancouver also has the option of moving the traded players to other contenders for additional picks..........
To me Montreal wins this trade hands down
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Would be a nice fit with Edmonton .
Maroon McDavid Puljujarvi
D Sedin H Sedin Eberle
Cagguila Draisaitl Pitlick
Slepyshev Letestu Kassian
Klefbom Larsson
Sekera Davidson
Nurse Russell
Gryba /Benning
Sedin line playing against 2nd or 3rd line players should have a field day . 50% retained n the Sedins
Offer RNH + Hendricks + Ference/Fayne + Pouliot Oilers retain 30% on the last 3 mention names
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Id do that as a Canucks fan, although Id probably want the first rounder in next years draft as apposed to this years.
JuniorNelson
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Lots of team have little to protect but point taken. This is just one a many obstacles.
Really, any trade would have to be player driven. They'd have to agree to retire after this season, IMO, to facilitate things. The key thing is to get them to climb down off their egos. They still plainly believe they are the elite players of five or six years ago. If somebody can convince them that they are finished, then they may want a last kick at the old can. It would be tough to manage, though, Canucks live in the land of denial.
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The deal would have to be done at next year's deadline; as others have said the expansion draft would handcuff any team looking to acquire them.
In watching the Sedins play, I still think they're at a level where they can produce in the 65 point range in the right situation. That "right situation" means they need an elite winger to play with - likely someone tenacious, hard nosed, smart, and fast. The revolving door of 3rd line wingers that they're being given in Vancouver isn't sufficient any more, they need someone better at this stage of their career to do the work.
In watching the Sedins play, I still think they're at a level where they can produce in the 65 point range in the right situation. That "right situation" means they need an elite winger to play with - likely someone tenacious, hard nosed, smart, and fast. The revolving door of 3rd line wingers that they're being given in Vancouver isn't sufficient any more, they need someone better at this stage of their career to do the work.
If Sedins are made available this TD (they control their destiny and I am not convinced yet that Canucks have admitted the truth), I suspect Montreal as a likely suitor.
They have a two year window with Price on his current deal, just enough to absorb Sedins' cap hits, especially with some retention.
Unless MB surprises everyone and resigns Markov, three slots to protect defensemen should be aplenty with defense being meh after Weber, Petry and Beaulieu.
Up front Habs have Galcheynuck, Pacioretty, Radulov (if extended as he should be) and Gallagher, leaving ample space to protect Sedins with one spot left for Shaw/Plekanec/surprise depending on who has played well, but losing any one of the remaining forwards would not be insurmountable loss.
So it all comes down to price. If Vancouver is willing to accept a modest discount due to need to protect the Twins in the expansion draft, I could see MB to pounce on the deal as there are likely less suitors this TD than next year.
They have a two year window with Price on his current deal, just enough to absorb Sedins' cap hits, especially with some retention.
Unless MB surprises everyone and resigns Markov, three slots to protect defensemen should be aplenty with defense being meh after Weber, Petry and Beaulieu.
Up front Habs have Galcheynuck, Pacioretty, Radulov (if extended as he should be) and Gallagher, leaving ample space to protect Sedins with one spot left for Shaw/Plekanec/surprise depending on who has played well, but losing any one of the remaining forwards would not be insurmountable loss.
So it all comes down to price. If Vancouver is willing to accept a modest discount due to need to protect the Twins in the expansion draft, I could see MB to pounce on the deal as there are likely less suitors this TD than next year.
Well, the level of interest on the part of teams this season is near zero, heading into the expansion draft.
Next season, as rentals, it's possible that interest will rise at 50 percent retention. Yet I genuinely doubt the Sedins opt to waive their trade protection rights, this late in their careers. I think they want to retire as Canucks.
The team brass and the Vancouver fanbase both clearly want to begin a rebuild in earnest. Yet I can't imagine this figures into the Sedins' calculus one bit.
Next season, as rentals, it's possible that interest will rise at 50 percent retention. Yet I genuinely doubt the Sedins opt to waive their trade protection rights, this late in their careers. I think they want to retire as Canucks.
The team brass and the Vancouver fanbase both clearly want to begin a rebuild in earnest. Yet I can't imagine this figures into the Sedins' calculus one bit.
Ovechkin is horrible at RW as seen in his worst Seasons.
Im not against the Idea getting the Sedins and going for it.
Not sure what Vancouver would want, but I guess one of the best goalie prospects in the world right now Samsonov would be of interest and also Bowey wich is the Caps best D prospect and Vrana their best forward prospect. Caps 1st round pick also an option.
Anyway the problem is capwise and the cannucks would have to retain 50% on at least one of the Sedins(something that wouldnt be a bad move to get more of the future pieces mentioned). While sending Eller and Orpik back. Orlov have had a solid season so far and could probably also be of interest for Vancouver since he still is quite Young, but if the Caps are gonna go for it they cant afford losing him or they will need another top 4 D.
How many of the Caps prospects would it cost?
Probably not a big deal for the Cannucks to take on Orpiks contract if they decide to trade the Sedins since if they do they will go full rebuild. Another Cannucks piece thats interesting are Edler since the Caps could need an Upgrade on the left side.
Johannson-Backström-Oshie
Ovechkin-Kuznetsov-Burakovsky
Sedin-Sedin-Williams
Alzner-Niskanen
Orlov-Carlsen
That would be be the best top 9 in the league. Thats like 3 lines that would be 1st lines on a lot of teams.
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No team and I mean no team is gonna trade for the Sedins this year or next unless Vancouver eats half the salary and expects nothing in return.
Nobody wants two players that make the kind of money they do, plus its nobody wants to protect them. Lastly they play only in the offensive zone, thats not somebody you want for your second or third line.
Sorry Vancouver!
Nobody wants two players that make the kind of money they do, plus its nobody wants to protect them. Lastly they play only in the offensive zone, thats not somebody you want for your second or third line.
Sorry Vancouver!
