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GDT: Second Round of the 2025 Playoffs

It's wild that you open with Q and leave the best player of that Era to etc.
Amazing, honestly. Lol. Keith, Kane, Toews, Hossa, Seabrook, Sharp, Crawford....all bigger factors in those cup wins than Q ever was.

You know why you almost never see a coach win a cup with multiple teams? Because most of the time it requires multiple hall of famers. Players win cups. Coaches either come along for the ride, or hinder those efforts. NHL coaching is so overrated.

Q very much was part of team and why it won. Pretending elsewise is absurd

I posted him first because he was coach and that era is very much Q's as it was players. Bowman was also GM of the cup wins

I get it some want to pretend Q didn't exist, etc well he did and he will be in HOF as one of the greatest coaches in history and very much deserves that acclaim

As for those teams they dont win a cup without Q and he was very much a big reason for success in those late games in series

The Hawks players under him give him plenty of praise and acclaim for his role in wins
 
Sportsnet tv guys said Seth Jones probably pkayed best game of hos life putting away tge Leafs.

Players like a,winner in FLA and was so bad fortge Hawks..

Helps when you play with good and competent cast around you ....

He should have had two goals but for some reason they took away the 2nd when he was tackled
 
I said this on the main boards somewhere (breaking my own rule) but Marner is going to have to listen to 6 weeks of full-court media hate before free agency hits. I'm going to guess he gets the hell out of dodge and finds a friendlier media market.

If the announcers were saying on air, that it was definitely his last game, I can't imagine how much more vicious it gets as you go down the food chain from TV Broadcast -> Radio Coverage -> Podcasts -> Social Media -> Crazy people trying to DM you on instagram.
 
Q very much was part of team and why it won. Pretending elsewise is absurd

I posted him first because he was coach and that era is very much Q's as it was players. Bowman was also GM of the cup wins

I get it some want to pretend Q didn't exist, etc well he did and he will be in HOF as one of the greatest coaches in history and very much deserves that acclaim

As for those teams they dont win a cup without Q and he was very much a big reason for success in those late games in series

The Hawks players under him give him plenty of praise and acclaim for his role in wins
I've never claimed otherwise and you know that BWC.

I've heard that golden era described as the Toews Kane Keith Hawks. Like several hundred times. The Q Toews Kane Hawks is a BWC original.
 
Amazing, honestly. Lol. Keith, Kane, Toews, Hossa, Seabrook, Sharp, Crawford....all bigger factors in those cup wins than Q ever was.

You know why you almost never see a coach win a cup with multiple teams? Because most of the time it requires multiple hall of famers. Players win cups. Coaches either come along for the ride, or hinder those efforts. NHL coaching is so overrated.
Allain Vigneault, Bruce Boudreau, or Peter Laviolette led Hawks teams probably do worse. Wasn’t Q’s line-matching strategies and defensive scheme pretty unique to him as a coach? He also just let them play in the neutral and offensive zone which I’m not sure other coaches do or not
 
Allain Vigneault, Bruce Boudreau, or Peter Laviolette led Hawks teams probably do worse. Wasn’t Q’s line-matching strategies and defensive scheme pretty unique to him as a coach? He also just let them play in the neutral and offensive zone which I’m not sure other coaches do or not
His defensive scheme wasn't unique to him as a coach. Pretty standard fair, honestly. People seem to forget that the Blackhawks were able to line match the way they were in large part because they could play the Toews/Hossa line against anyone and still have a shutdown matchup line. That's entirely due to their personnel. The team was absolutely LOADED with strong defensive forwards. Bolland, Kruger, Saad, Vermette, etc. That's a luxury very, very few teams had. In the 2015 cup run, he had a superhuman Duncan Keith logging 30-35 minutes a night because they only played 4 D.

Q was absolutely a part of those cup wins but putting him on par or ahead of any of the core players is just laughable. A lot of people still think he lost the LA series in 2014 with his boneheaded lineup decisions and matchups. I'll never forget yelling at the TV when he put Kane on the ice with Versteeg and the corpse of Handzus after the Kings iced the puck. He had a ton of head scratchers in the playoffs that he just got away with because his core was that damn good. I mean, he actually healthy scratched Vermette, and I believe Teravainen, in the 2015 run...

Looking back at those Hawks' rosters while watching the playoffs this season, you realize just how loaded those rosters were, and how much depth they had.

It's just hilarious to see BWC give Q so much credit in that post when he has always shit on the guy who actually put those rosters together and made Q's job easy.

Q very much was part of team and why it won. Pretending elsewise is absurd

I posted him first because he was coach and that era is very much Q's as it was players. Bowman was also GM of the cup wins

I get it some want to pretend Q didn't exist, etc well he did and he will be in HOF as one of the greatest coaches in history and very much deserves that acclaim

As for those teams they dont win a cup without Q and he was very much a big reason for success in those late games in series

The Hawks players under him give him plenty of praise and acclaim for his role in wins
King of the strawman, as usual.
 
Q was absolutely a part of those cup wins but putting him on par or ahead of any of the core players is just laughable. A lot of people still think he lost the LA series in 2014 with his boneheaded lineup decisions and matchups.

Seabrook was broken by that series. His first step & reads were terrible, he quite literally stood there while one or two of the Kings forwards scored on the weak side time and time again when he wasn't screening Crawford. I remember posting GIF's of goals against where Seabs was a literal pylon.

But Q kept trotting him out there even though something was obviously very wrong. Limiting Seabs minutes big time could have absolutely easily turned that series the other way. Kings could see it too and kept attacking the paint while Seabs was on the ice, it was hard to watch.

Some coaches (and posters, lol) just fall in love with certain players even when they're barely functioning, Q was one of those.
 
Seabrook was broken by that series. His first step & reads were terrible, he quite literally stood there while one or two of the Kings forwards scored on the weak side time and time again when he wasn't screening Crawford. I remember posting GIF's of goals against where Seabs was a literal pylon.

But Q kept trotting him out there even though something was obviously very wrong. Limiting Seabs minutes big time could have absolutely easily turned that series the other way. Kings could see it too and kept attacking the paint while Seabs was on the ice, it was hard to watch.

Some coaches (and posters, lol) just fall in love with certain players even when they're barely functioning, Q was one of those.
Who did we draft in those "window years" that was up and helping.
Should have won four if not five .
 
Who did we draft in those "window years" that was up and helping.
Should have won four if not five .

That is lunacy. The team with two of the top 3 players of the generation eeked out 3. The Blackhawks core was fantastic, but they weren't the 70s Canadiens in post-expansion league.

As far as drafting help, there was a decent pipeline of talent, but a combination of lack of patience and poor cap management kinda screwed the team out of using any of them for any extended period of time.

In order of draft year and position:

Kevin Hayes
Stephen Johns
Phillip Danault
Brandon Saad
Andrew Shaw
Teuvo Teravainen
Ryan Hartman
Nick Shcmaltz
Alex Debrincat

Everybody except Hayes and Johns got time on the NHL roster.
 
Man. Utter f***ing insanity thinking back on it....

There is a poetry to hockey sometimes.

The line on the ice when the Kings iced the Blackhawks in overtime was the 'Q's misfit toys' line. After a full season of people begging Q to play his boys Versteeg, Handzus and Bollig less, Q was finally forced to shove them down the lineup when the team went down 3-1. They barely played, but they played just enough to cost the team the series.

Along with Rozsvial, who could always be seen in his usual spot, off to the side of the Blackhawks net, watching the puck go in and kindly fishing it out for the refs.
 
The crazy part isn't what didn't happen. It's what Mitch will be remembered for if he doesn't stay in Toronto after that story didn't get leaked.

The funniest scenario possible is that after refusing to waive for Carolina to make the Rantanen trade, Marner signs in Carolina for less than the 13.5 million that Toronto has been offering him all season.
 
We lost that series because we had: Regin, Morin, Brookbank, Rozsival, Handzus, Verbeauty, and Nordstrom as our depth players.
Also Brandon Bolig... but the key difference is always clear in 2012, 2014, 2016, etc. Why they were worse those years was depth.

When Jamal mayers or Carrillo types would play more than 5 games. That meant Kane is being double shifted and less useful. Your depth lines are eating your matchups. Kane had the beautiful OT goal in 2016 and that series multiple OTs, but Kane played an Insane amount, which is never connected to winning. Across the board, years teams win cups vs loss, you see a medium or lesser playing time by stars than years they lost. Because you are more likely to win if you have depth to carry you.
 
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Sportsnet tv guys said Seth Jones probably pkayed best game of hos life putting away tge Leafs.

Players like a,winner in FLA and was so bad fortge Hawks..

Helps when you play with good and competent cast around you ....

I don't think anybody here would have had a problem with Seth Jones making 7 million and playing on a 2nd pair.

Check out the Florida boards, even their fans were side-eying the trade while Ekblad was out and Jones was playing top pair competition.

Jones is an athletic freak, he's the prototypical guy you put out to eat up weaker competition after your big guys take care of the major threats.
 
Who did we draft in those "window years" that was up and helping.
Should have won four if not five .

In glancing through the draft picks by years.... jeez, not a whole lot. Kruger and Shaw were great impact picks from the 5th round. TT obviously had a very short impact on a Cup roster, but he was also a 1st round pick so you expect guys like that to contribute. Whole lot of real bad draft classes.
 
Also Brandon Bolig... but the key difference is always clear in 2012, 2014, 2016, etc. Why they were worse those years was depth.

When Jamal mayers or Carrillo types would play more than 5 games. That meant Kane is being double shifted and less useful. Your depth lines are eating your matchups. Kane had the beautiful OT goal in 2016 and that series multiple OTs, but Kane played an Insane amount, which is never connected to winning. Across the board, years teams win cups vs loss, you see a medium or lesser playing time by stars than years they lost. Because you are more likely to win if you have depth to carry you.

Depth and coaching were issues, but truthfully, the biggest issues the Blackhawks had that series was that three key pieces under performed.

Seabrook, Oduya and particularly Sharp vastly underperformed in that series. Sharp was bounced to the 3rd line, and for good reason. After one of (if not the) best regular seasons of his career, he was quite bad that playoffs.

Likewise for Seabrook and Oduya.

I have a lot of issues with how Q handled the depth in the lineup that year and those playoffs, but I sympathize with having to hide 2 dmen you can usually count on and losing a weapon that's been pretty consistent for you in the past. Overrelying on Rozsvial was NOT what I would have done, but it's still not an ideal situation.

Sharp was really never the same after that 2014 RS. He was pretty mid in 2015 RS and 2015 playoffs as well. A friend of mine suggested his confidence got shot from his time on Team Canada, where he was relegated to 13th forward that rarely dressed.

In 2015, they cleared out Q's boys (Handzus and Bollig), Versteeg's knee got a bit better and he actually warranted being played, plus they added better options like Vermette, Teuvo and Richards into the mix that helped balance out Sharp's decline. And even then, the 2015 team won more through sheer will than dominance.
 

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