Proposal: Seattle Wins The 50m Hertl Race: SEA + S.J.

[Perennial]

To Seattle: Hertl (extended for 50m over 7 years)

To San Jose: 2022 1st (top 1 protected), 2022 2nd, WPG's 2023 2nd


Seattle, for whatever reason, built their team in the hopes of contending right away, so they may as well commit to that plan and bring in a significant upgrade at C

San Jose get a 1st and a couple of 2nd rd picks for a player who is in the final year of his contract and isn't likely to re-sign. By not taking back any salary, the Sharks create additional cap space which can be used to take on a cap dump or retain salary in order to help facilitate a trade for other teams

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[fasterthanlight]

I don't think it's likely that hertl won't resign. But, depending on the status of those negotiations at the trade deadline, I might consider this if seattle was also out of the playoffs.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Kraken say no.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Hertl isn't worth that, especially when you consider Seattle's first is likely to be pretty high

 

[Groo]

Kraken say no.

The Kraken are contenders now?
Hertl says no
Not all that great for the Sharks either

 

[Mrfenn92]

The Kraken are contenders now?
Hertl says no
Not all that great fir the Sharks either

Ok

 

[HighNote]

I feel like you come up with the pun first and then you try to mold a trade proposal around it.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

I feel like you come up with the pun first and then you try to mold a trade proposal around it.

This is 100% true.

This trade is eerily reminiscent of the VGK trade for Tatar. However, in that case, Tatar was presently signed to a 4/5.3M deal at the time of the trade, not a pending UFA. It would probably make more sense for Seattle to only look at this trade if they're at the TDL and they're in the VGK spot and only deal for Hertl as a rental if he's still on the block. He'd come cheaper than this as a pure rental and then you'd have the flexibility to extend or not as you chose.

 

[Legionnaire]

Good one.

 

[Perennial]

I feel like you come up with the pun first and then you try to mold a trade proposal around it.

I get that a lot...

 

[Perennial]

I don't think it's likely that hertl won't resign. But, depending on the status of those negotiations at the trade deadline, I might consider this if seattle was also out of the playoffs.

LeBrun: - Tomas Hertl not likely to sign extension with the Sharks

 

[Perennial]

Hertl isn't worth that, especially when you consider Seattle's first is likely to be pretty high

Probably not as high with Hertl in their lineup all season...

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Hertl will, and should, bet on himself to get more than that. Even so, bad deal for Seattle.

 

[SoupNazi]

This is Kraken me up. The Kraken pass.

 

[fasterthanlight]

LeBrun: - Tomas Hertl not likely to sign extension with the Sharks

LeBrun is speculating in that article --- he "gets the sense" that Hertl won't resign. I suppose he's somewhat credible when it comes to the sharks, but everything hertl and management have said since this article go against the thrust of it.

 

[Perennial]

LeBrun is speculating in that article --- he "gets the sense" that Hertl won't resign. I suppose he's somewhat credible when it comes to the sharks, but everything hertl and management have said since this article go against the thrust of it.

There's also the question of whether the Sharks should re-sign Hertl...

Given their core is signed long term and isn't likely to contend, I don't see much point in re-signing another soon-t0-be 30 year old to a long term contract

 

[fasterthanlight]

There's also the question of whether the Sharks should re-sign Hertl...

Given their core is signed long term and isn't likely to contend, I don't see much point in re-signing another soon-t0-be 30 year old to a long term contract

Very true. I'm on team tank for Wright. But our GM is obsessed with the idea of annual contention

 

[themelkman]

As long as the Kraken are outside the playoffs at the TDL, id do this(not sure why they would).

 

[Irie]

First, players coming up on their first time UFA status never sign with teams in a trade before they've played a game for them.

This notion is a hockey's futures forum fantasy.

This is not the NBA or the NFL where contracts aren't guaranteed. First time UFA decisions are looked at as a long term commitment. Players want to know there is a good fit, or wait it out to see all options available.

Second, makes no sense for Seattle, who have no farm and are just starting to build their team.

That said, value isn't terrible.

 

[themelkman]

First, players coming up on their first time UFA status never sign with teams in a trade before they've played a game for them.

This is not true. Off the top of my head, Seth Jones and Jean Gabriel Pageau both did

 

[VijayPatel11]

not funny didn't laugh

 

[Perennial]

As long as the Kraken are outside the playoffs at the TDL, id do this(not sure why they would).

It's not a trade deadline deal...

 

[Perennial]

First, players coming up on their first time UFA status never sign with teams in a trade before they've played a game for them.

This notion is a hockey's futures forum fantasy.

This is not the NBA or the NFL where contracts aren't guaranteed. First time UFA decisions are looked at as a long term commitment. Players want to know there is a good fit, or wait it out to see all options available.

Second, makes no sense for Seattle, who have no farm and are just starting to build their team.

That said, value isn't terrible.

They've built their team... they have a lot of veterans signed to long term deals... including a 29 year old goalie they just signed to a 6 year deal

Their goal is clearly to contend this season, and the Hertl acquisition gets them closer to that goal

 

[Irie]

This is not true. Off the top of my head, Seth Jones and Jean Gabriel Pageau both did

Sorry, yeah, I was very vague, and did not clarify my point at all, was in a rush

I was implying below market value contracts, which this would be, and it is what people keep implying in these threads. Also, I was implying mid season/deadline trades. The resigning in the off-season like Jones did happens frequently.

Hertl might sign with Seattle if they offered him 8 x 9.4. but he would not sign with them before playing a game there for 7 x 7.14

Once the season is underway, and a player is that close to their first UFA, they are not going to sign a bargain, long-term contract with another team before playing game unless they have already played for the team in the past.

Islanders signing Pageau was a very rare instances but they also gave him 30 million based mostly on one season where he was shooting at 18%. That was an overpay

Hertl's going to get 8 mil+ and he and his agent know it. Why would he agree to this trade and then sign for that?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I'm more willing to keep him and get him to re-sign over renting him out if they're out of it.