Proposal: Seattle & Montreal: Guhle + Calgary 1st for Matty Beniers + 2nd (Toronto)

[ginomini]

Thinking that Burakovsky is anything but a warm body on Seattle shows that you know absolutely nothing and are talking out your ass.

Also, Drouin and Toffoli were close to a ppg that season with limited time which has happened to exactly two Seattle players in their existence, and only once- Dunn and McCann during the second season where everything clicked and we got extremely lucky.

Seattle had 10 players above .5 PPG this year in the majority of their games.

Montreal had 8.

Above .6?

3, 4 if you count Drouin at .59

7 for Seattle.

Above 7 though?

Montreal has 2 players, and Seattle has 1, two if you count Eberle at .69.

The comparison really isn't that far off and I don't know why people are still arguing this. Beniers has a ways to go but he's not that far behind Suzuki, people treating him as a 40pt center is laughable and Montreal has a far better team now, hopefully Seattle will follow suit and Beniers potential will be unlocked.

I included Burakovsky because the poster I was replying to cited Hoffman and Anderson as quality linemates. These guys were absolute liabilities that year. Nothing more than warm bodies.

You say I am talking out of my ass, but then you tell me only two players in the Kraken’s existence have had a pace comparable to Drouin’s impressive 20 points in 34 games (0,59 ppg). They literally have 7 players 0,59 ppg or better this year alone. What are you even trying to say!??

No one’s treating Beniers as a 40 point center because he is 22. No one was treating Suzuki as a 60 point center in 2021-22 because he was 22.

The point is that at 22 there was a significant gap between the two players. And tbh, none of the arguments put forward against this make sense.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Thinking that Burakovsky is anything but a warm body on Seattle shows that you know absolutely nothing and are talking out your ass.

Also, Drouin and Toffoli were close to a ppg that season with limited time which has happened to exactly two Seattle players in their existence, and only once- Dunn and McCann during the second season where everything clicked and we got extremely lucky.

Seattle had 10 players above .5 PPG this year in the majority of their games.

Montreal had 8.

Above .6?

3, 4 if you count Drouin at .59

7 for Seattle.

Above 7 though?

Montreal has 2 players, and Seattle has 1, two if you count Eberle at .69.

The comparison really isn't that far off and I don't know why people are still arguing this. Beniers has a ways to go but he's not that far behind Suzuki, people treating him as a 40pt center is laughable and Montreal has a far better team now, hopefully Seattle will follow suit and Beniers potential will be unlocked.

But this whole thing starting by someone saying Beniers IS what Suzuki was at 22, which is false. Some other guy then came in and doubled down. It’s a bit insulting when the guy hasn’t been able to produce more than 40 points over the last two years.

A comparable argument for Habs fans would be to say that Dvorak is a similar caliber player to Beniers because he has more EV points and less opportunity offensively (on the PP) - which was the entire argument of the two guys arguing their point. You would probably come in and laugh at that take and defend Beniers.

In the end, there was quite a huge gap between the 2 of them at their 22 years old season. Suzuki was a line driver and generated most of the offense for Montreal. Beniers isn’t able to do that just yet.

I don’t know why this is such a hot take. It shouldn’t be.

 

[FiveTacos]

I actually think that works well, maybe remove the picks or add a 2nd rounder from the Habs but that's a deal that looks great on paper for both organizations

Except that the Ducks need more forwards, not more dmen.

 

[Benstheman]

But this whole thing starting by someone saying Beniers IS what Suzuki was at 22, which is false. Some other guy then came in and doubled down. It’s a bit insulting when the guy hasn’t been able to produce more than 40 points over the last two years.

A comparable argument for Habs fans would be to say that Dvorak is a similar caliber player to Beniers because he has more EV points and less opportunity offensively (on the PP) - which was the entire argument of the two guys arguing their point. You would probably come in and laugh at that take and defend Beniers.

In the end, there was quite a huge gap between the 2 of them at their 22 years old season. Suzuki was a line driver and generated most of the offense for Montreal. Beniers isn’t able to do that just yet.

I don’t know why this is such a hot take. It shouldn’t be.

The fact of the matter is, Beniers is 22 yo and we don't know what player he will be at 25 yo. Talent and work ethic is there but still in the air if he will be able to become a productive top 6 center.

I would love to have him on my team but he is still a project. That ship has sailed for the Habs.

 

[Baksfamous112]

The fact of the matter is, Beniers is 22 yo and we don't know what player he will be at 25 yo. Talent and work ethic is there but still in the air if he will be able to become a productive top 6 center.

I would love to have him on my team but he is still a project. That ship has sailed for the Habs.

Absolutely. He is likely to get to that level everyone expect him to be at 25 years but it is not set in stone.

Having high end talent around him would certainly help but Beniers has to start progressing offensively as well. He should be a line driver and shouldn’t have to get carried offensively if he want to be a top 6 C

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

But this whole thing starting by someone saying Beniers IS what Suzuki was at 22, which is false. Some other guy then came in and doubled down. It’s a bit insulting when the guy hasn’t been able to produce more than 40 points over the last two years.

A comparable argument for Habs fans would be to say that Dvorak is a similar caliber player to Beniers because he has more EV points and less opportunity offensively (on the PP) - which was the entire argument of the two guys arguing their point. You would probably come in and laugh at that take and defend Beniers.

In the end, there was quite a huge gap between the 2 of them at their 22 years old season. Suzuki was a line driver and generated most of the offense for Montreal. Beniers isn’t able to do that just yet.

I don’t know why this is such a hot take. It shouldn’t be.

Why is it such a problem for you if people think that 22 year Beniers is pretty similar to what Suzuki was at 22? I get that you're utterly convinced that the guy on your favorite team is much better, but as an outside observer, it sounds like most of the arguments for Suzuki's 22 year old season being better are based around usage and games played. You claim he's scoring more points than Beniers and drove the play better, but ignore that it's mostly on the PP and one of them was pretty much the only healthy top 6 player on the team that was even remotely able to drive the play for much of the season, while the other is on a team with 4 or 5 other guys who are more than capable of doing some driving too. You claim he's outscoring all his teammates by a large margin, but ignore the fact that he played 15+ more games than anyone else on the team other than Evans and Romanov. When I try to account for the things that you want to ignore, their 22 year old seasons seem like it's still pretty much a coin flip to this point of their careers. I don't know why this is such a hot take, it shouldn't be, and yet here we are.

Also, just FYI, telling me why you think my opinion is wrong isn't doing anything to convince me that your opinion is right. If anything, it suggests that you don't have any other reasons why I should believe your opinion is right and makes me think your opinion is based mostly on his jersey.

 

[Dead Coyote]

I included Burakovsky because the poster I was replying to cited Hoffman and Anderson as quality linemates. These guys were absolute liabilities that year. Nothing more than warm bodies.

Hoffman had 37 points in 65 games and 15 goals. Anderson had 32 in 69 and 19 goals.

Burakovsky has 28 in 69 this year. And 7 goals. That's a far cry from either of those two.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Why is it such a problem for you if people think that 22 year Beniers is pretty similar to what Suzuki was at 22? I get that you're utterly convinced that the guy on your favorite team is much better, but as an outside observer, it sounds like most of the arguments for Suzuki's 22 year old season being better are based around usage and games played. You claim he's scoring more points than Beniers and drove the play better, but ignore that it's mostly on the PP and one of them was pretty much the only healthy top 6 player on the team that was even remotely able to drive the play for much of the season, while the other is on a team with 4 or 5 other guys who are more than capable of doing some driving too. You claim he's outscoring all his teammates by a large margin, but ignore the fact that he played 15+ more games than anyone else on the team other than Evans and Romanov. When I try to account for the things that you want to ignore, their 22 year old seasons seem like it's still pretty much a coin flip to this point of their careers. I don't know why this is such a hot take, it shouldn't be, and yet here we are.

Also, just FYI, telling me why you think my opinion is wrong isn't doing anything to convince me that your opinion is right. If anything, it suggests that you don't have any other reasons why I should believe your opinion is right and makes me think your opinion is based mostly on his jersey.

because it isn't true. Every single data point points toward Suzuki being the much better player at 22. Suzuki was the line driver for Montreal, was the #1 go to guy on PP1 and every single player that played with Suzuki had better stats than when they were not playing with him.

Beniers has nothing similar to show for. He doesn't drive his own line, his linesmate all have a better PPG than he does and he's not a primary point of execution on the PP either. The guy doesn't even rank in the top 6 of his team in terms of PPG for god's sake. He's playing 1C minutes and putting up high-end 3C numbers.

"one of them was pretty much the only healthy top 6 player on the team that was even remotely able to drive the play for much of the season, while the other is on a team with 4 or 5 other guys who are more than capable of doing some driving too."

You write that Suzuki had as good - if not better - teammates and then write this quote is a head-scratcher. The fact that you can write and understand the above but don't understand that Suzuki was better is mind-blowing. If 22 years old Suzuki was on Seattle right now, he would be a line driver and would be the guy driving the PP1 and would certainly have more than 40 points right now. Never in a million year Beniers would have sniffed 40 points if he was playing in Montreal as the 1C in 22' but sure, both players are equal.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

because it isn't true. Every single data point points toward Suzuki being the much better player at 22. Suzuki was the line driver for Montreal, was the #1 go to guy on PP1 and every single player that played with Suzuki had better stats than when they were not playing with him.

Beniers has nothing similar to show for. He doesn't drive his own line, his linesmate all have a better PPG than he does and he's not a primary point of execution on the PP either. The guy doesn't even rank in the top 6 of his team in terms of PPG for god's sake. He's playing 1C minutes and putting up high-end 3C numbers.

"one of them was pretty much the only healthy top 6 player on the team that was even remotely able to drive the play for much of the season, while the other is on a team with 4 or 5 other guys who are more than capable of doing some driving too."

You write that Suzuki had as good - if not better - teammates and then write this quote is a head-scratcher. The fact that you can write and understand the above but don't understand that Suzuki was better is mind-blowing. If 22 years old Suzuki was on Seattle right now, he would be a line driver and would be the guy driving the PP1 and would certainly have more than 40 points right now. Never in a million year Beniers would have sniffed 40 points if he was playing in Montreal as the 1C in 22' but sure, both players are equal.

The data points don't explain away the context. Suzuki was on a team that had a lot of injuries, and was the only guy to play all 82 games. Who else were they even going to try to have drive a line when so many of their top 6 guys were out of the lineup, Jake Evans?

Beniers isn't in that same situation, because Seattle has other guys who can also drive the offense decently well, including guys with a lot more experience and recent Cup rings. I think if he has been thrown more to the wolves like Suzuki was, I think we might have seen similar results. Your insistence that it wouldn't happen doesn't convince me.

 

[Baksfamous112]

The data points don't explain away the context. Suzuki was on a team that had a lot of injuries, and was the only guy to play all 82 games. Who else were they even going to try to have drive a line when so many of their top 6 guys were out of the lineup, Jake Evans?

Beniers isn't in that same situation, because Seattle has other guys who can also drive the offense decently well, including guys with a lot more experience and recent Cup rings. I think if he has been thrown more to the wolves like Suzuki was, I think we might have seen similar results. Your insistence that it wouldn't happen doesn't convince me.

Right. We "forgot" that there's a context. Let's try something else.

1. Remove 22' Suzuki from the Habs and replace him with 25' Beniers. Do you believe that Beniers would have had a 60+ points season? beat his 40 points season?

2. Remove 25' Beniers from Seattle and replace him with 22' Suzuki. Do you think Suzuki would've gotten more or less than 40 points?

*About the second bolded; Do you believe that an NHL player playing with lesser quality would (in general) generate more points in a season than if the same player would be playing with higher quality (talent wise) players? Because in general, the player who has better teammates usually is producing more than the player with lesser talent teammates (given that they both have similar TOI, deployment and PP1 opportunity - Which 22' Suzuki and 25' beniers both had)

 

[ginomini]

The data points don't explain away the context. Suzuki was on a team that had a lot of injuries, and was the only guy to play all 82 games. Who else were they even going to try to have drive a line when so many of their top 6 guys were out of the lineup, Jake Evans?

Beniers isn't in that same situation, because Seattle has other guys who can also drive the offense decently well, including guys with a lot more experience and recent Cup rings. I think if he has been thrown more to the wolves like Suzuki was, I think we might have seen similar results. Your insistence that it wouldn't happen doesn't convince me.

This argument makes absolutely no sense. The reply above me already refuted it, but the idea that a player with lesser support makes more points is simply bonkers. PLus as I havce said in a previous post, Suzuki never got any of the opportunities because of injuries. He was already the 1 C at 21 year old. Are you seriously arghuing that he would have made less points if he had been playing with Toffoli all year?

 

[ginomini]

Hoffman had 37 points in 65 games and 15 goals. Anderson had 32 in 69 and 19 goals.

Burakovsky has 28 in 69 this year. And 7 goals. That's a far cry from either of those two.

Sure and this difference in third linbe support surely explains why Suzuki had 20 more points than Beniers? What are you even trying to argue. The point is that all three of these players are very average top 9 players. That's it, no need to go all granular about it. Both players have similar support, Suzuki score alot more.

 

[Baksfamous112]

This argument makes absolutely no sense. The reply above me already refuted it, but the idea that a player with lesser support makes more points is simply bonkers. PLus as I havce said in a previous post, Suzuki never got any of the opportunities because of injuries. He was already the 1 C at 21 year old. Are you seriously arghuing that he would have made less points if he had been playing with Toffoli all year?

It seems like he is. I'm not sure why he's willing to die on this hill.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Right. We "forgot" that there's a context. Let's try something else.

1. Remove 22' Suzuki from the Habs and replace him with 25' Beniers. Do you believe that Beniers would have had a 60+ points season? beat his 40 points season?

2. Remove 25' Beniers from Seattle and replace him with 22' Suzuki. Do you think Suzuki would've gotten more or less than 40 points?

*About the second bolded; Do you believe that an NHL player playing with lesser quality would (in general) generate more points in a season than if the same player would be playing with higher quality (talent wise) players? Because in general, the player who has better teammates usually is producing more than the player with lesser talent teammates (given that they both have similar TOI, deployment and PP1 opportunity - Which 22' Suzuki and 25' beniers both had)

1. I think it's possible he puts up 60+ points. It's also possible he doesn't beat his 40 point season. Pretending one is definitely going to happen and the other is impossible doesn't convince me in either direction.

2. Again, I could see it going either way if Suzuki is on Seattle. But either way, I don't think he'd have 20 power play points like he did in Montreal.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

This argument makes absolutely no sense. The reply above me already refuted it, but the idea that a player with lesser support makes more points is simply bonkers. PLus as I havce said in a previous post, Suzuki never got any of the opportunities because of injuries. He was already the 1 C at 21 year old. Are you seriously arghuing that he would have made less points if he had been playing with Toffoli all year?

If you're the coach and your choice at C is between Nick Suzuki and Jake Evans (or someone worse than Evans), who do you pick more often than not? Who do you give the best wingers available? With the injuries, that's an easy choice. If Dvorak is healthy, is it still a no brainer to pick Suzuki?

If your choice at C is between Beniers, Stephenson and Wright, it's clearly a much more difficult decision. Stephenson is a recent Cup winner, and Wright is another high talent youngster, so Beniers isn't the only sane choice at C like Suzuki was. Do you think that might impact usage a bit?

And Suzuki would score more with Toffoli on his line, but not if Toffoli is on Dvorak's line. He might also not be the guy running the PP if Drouin is healthy.

 

[ginomini]

If you're the coach and your choice at C is between Nick Suzuki and Jake Evans (or someone worse than Evans), who do you pick more often than not? Who do you give the best wingers available? With the injuries, that's an easy choice. If Dvorak is healthy, is it still a no brainer to pick Suzuki?

If your choice at C is between Beniers, Stephenson and Wright, it's clearly a much more difficult decision. Stephenson is a recent Cup winner, and Wright is another high talent youngster, so Beniers isn't the only sane choice at C like Suzuki was. Do you think that might impact usage a bit?

And Suzuki would score more with Toffoli on his line, but not if Toffoli is on Dvorak's line. He might also not be the guy running the PP if Drouin is healthy.

This is all not true, Suzuki was already significantly better than all of Toffoli, Dvorak and Drouin. Drouin was already an after thought in Montreal at that point.

Again, Suzuki was already the team's first center at 21 the year before when they went to the cup finals. That team also included Danault and Kotkaniemi.

It is becoming apparent that you do not know anything about that team, their players, and their situation at the time. You are severely underrating Suzuki if you think he was ever at risk of losing ice time to Dvorak and Drouin (or even Danault the year before).

 

[ColbyChaos]

Again, Suzuki was already the team's first center at 21 the year before when they went to the cup finals. That team also included Danault and Kotkaniemi

Honestly Suzuki beating out two 3rd line Cs in Danault and Kotkaniemi isn’t the glowing endorsement you think it is.

We get expectations aren’t high though considering the Habs history at forward the last 30 years is pretty pathetic. Wasn’t that long ago they were trying to convince everyone on the board that they could win with David Desharnais, Alex Galchenyuk and Tomas Plekanec as their centers

 

[ginomini]

Honestly Suzuki beating out two 3rd line Cs in Danault and Kotkaniemi isn’t the glowing endorsement you think it is.

We get expectations aren’t high though considering the Habs history at forward the last 30 years is pretty pathetic. Wasn’t that long ago they were trying to convince everyone on the board that they could win with David Desharnais, Alex Galchenyuk and Tomas Plekanec as their centers

Oh don,'t worry I know it's not an accomplishment, but the poster was suggesting that he would've lost ice-time to Dvorak had he not been injured. Which is just an absolutely ridiculous take.

 

[garmonbozia]

This thread needs more Suzuki tire pumping.

Seattle has no interest in moving Beniers yet. Diminishing Beniers attributes won't convince Kraken fans he should be traded, even for what is a good value and/or a fair trade. This specific proposal isn't far off in value, but, does nothing to address Seattle's needs and just opens a hole they aren't ready to fill.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

This is all not true, Suzuki was already significantly better than all of Toffoli, Dvorak and Drouin. Drouin was already an after thought in Montreal at that point.

Again, Suzuki was already the team's first center at 21 the year before when they went to the cup finals. That team also included Danault and Kotkaniemi.

It is becoming apparent that you do not know anything about that team, their players, and their situation at the time. You are severely underrating Suzuki if you think he was ever at risk of losing ice time to Dvorak and Drouin (or even Danault the year before).

It's not about any of them being better than Suzuki. It's about them being competent enough to actually contribute something more than just giving the puck to Suzuki and expecting him to do something with it. If they're all healthy, the Habs could roll out a 2nd line that isn't centered by Jake Evans or have AHLers on it, and maybe that improved 2nd line takes some offensive zone starts instead of double shifting Suzuki's line. PP1 would also be improved with everyone healthy, so is the strategy there still everyone get it to Suzuki to do something, or does the puck get spread around a bit more when there's more halfway decent options? Seems very plausible to me that everyone being healthy results in the puck being on Suzuki's stick a little less often, and could reduce the number of chances he gets over the season.

 

[majormajor]

Why is it such a problem for you if people think that 22 year Beniers is pretty similar to what Suzuki was at 22? I get that you're utterly convinced that the guy on your favorite team is much better, but as an outside observer, it sounds like most of the arguments for Suzuki's 22 year old season being better are based around usage and games played. You claim he's scoring more points than Beniers and drove the play better, but ignore that it's mostly on the PP and one of them was pretty much the only healthy top 6 player on the team that was even remotely able to drive the play for much of the season, while the other is on a team with 4 or 5 other guys who are more than capable of doing some driving too. You claim he's outscoring all his teammates by a large margin, but ignore the fact that he played 15+ more games than anyone else on the team other than Evans and Romanov. When I try to account for the things that you want to ignore, their 22 year old seasons seem like it's still pretty much a coin flip to this point of their careers. I don't know why this is such a hot take, it shouldn't be, and yet here we are.

Also, just FYI, telling me why you think my opinion is wrong isn't doing anything to convince me that your opinion is right. If anything, it suggests that you don't have any other reasons why I should believe your opinion is right and makes me think your opinion is based mostly on his jersey.

I hadn't looked at this thread in a while but I have to say as someone who has watched a lot of Beniers in Seattle in the last few years, most of us Kraken fans don't think of him as some soon-to-be 1C like Suzuki. Beniers doesn't have Suzuki's offensive sense. He's more in line to become a strong two-way 2C. But he has to improve offensively to even get to that point, right now Seattle scores less with Beniers on the ice than they do without him.

I checked in on Suzuki and the 2021-22 Habs, and they had about the same 5v5 scoring rates with or without Suzuki, but oddly enough that 2.33 GF/60 is the same on ice scoring rate that Seattle has this year at 5v5 with Beniers on the ice. So there are indeed some folks overrating Suzuki's offensive contribution that season.

There is a more noticeable difference in scoring for the two players on the powerplay - both got substantial top unit ice time and Montreal was much better with Suzuki and dreadful without him, while Seattle's PP is dreadful with Beniers and okay without him.

Beniers has played 179 minutes on the PP, second only to McCann on the Kraken, and he has a dreadful 2.68 P/60, lowest on the team.

Based on this profile I hope Seattle can develop Wright or Catton into more of their top offensive center (Wright is already scoring a lot for his minutes) and that Beniers can have a Jordan Staal type career for the Kraken. We can certainly use a player like that. (Obviously Staal was more of a hoss, but Beniers has the tenacity, skating, and defensive smarts to play that type of two-way role).

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

I hadn't looked at this thread in a while but I have to say as someone who has watched a lot of Beniers in Seattle in the last few years, most of us Kraken fans don't think of him as some soon-to-be 1C like Suzuki. Beniers doesn't have Suzuki's offensive sense. He's more in line to become a strong two-way 2C. But he has to improve offensively to even get to that point, right now Seattle scores less with Beniers on the ice than they do without him.

I checked in on Suzuki and the 2021-22 Habs, and they had about the same 5v5 scoring rates with or without Suzuki, but oddly enough that 2.33 GF/60 is the same on ice scoring rate that Seattle has this year at 5v5 with Beniers on the ice. So there are indeed some folks overrating Suzuki's offensive contribution that season.

There is a more noticeable difference in scoring for the two players on the powerplay - both got substantial top unit ice time and Montreal was much better with Suzuki and dreadful without him, while Seattle's PP is dreadful with Beniers and okay without him.

Beniers has played 179 minutes on the PP, second only to McCann on the Kraken, and he has a dreadful 2.68 P/60, lowest on the team.

Based on this profile I hope Seattle can develop Wright or Catton into more of their top offensive center (Wright is already scoring a lot for his minutes) and that Beniers can have a Jordan Staal type career for the Kraken. We can certainly use a player like that. (Obviously Staal was more of a hoss, but Beniers has the tenacity, skating, and defensive smarts to play that type of two-way role).

That's pretty much what I'm seeing too, but at 22, Suzuki still wasn't much more than a kid with 1C potential, and as we've both pointed out his performance at ES wasn't that much different than Beniers. On the PP, there is a difference with and without each of them, but look at the next guys up for each team. If the Habs could barely put together a decent PP1 unit with so many guys hurt, what do you think PP2 looked like for most of year? Is being much better on the PP than bottom 6ers really a high bar to clear?

I think Wright and Stephenson being good options allows them all to play more to their strengths, and share the responsibility of driving the team. But if every other decent C on the team got hurt, and the choice on the PP was between Beniers and a Jake Evens level 3C, I think we'd see Beniers in a lot of situations that might currently go to someone else today, giving him that many more chances to put up more points, potentially closing the gap with what Suzuki did.

 

[majormajor]

That's pretty much what I'm seeing too, but at 22, Suzuki still wasn't much more than a kid with 1C potential, and as we've both pointed out his performance at ES wasn't that much different than Beniers. On the PP, there is a difference with and without each of them, but look at the next guys up for each team. If the Habs could barely put together a decent PP1 unit with so many guys hurt, what do you think PP2 looked like for most of year? Is being much better on the PP than bottom 6ers really a high bar to clear?

The difference is both relative and absolute. Beniers's scoring rate on the PP is very very low, he would be closer to on par with the Habs worst 2nd unit guys that year.

I think Wright and Stephenson being good options allows them all to play more to their strengths, and share the responsibility of driving the team. But if every other decent C on the team got hurt, and the choice on the PP was between Beniers and a Jake Evens level 3C, I think we'd see Beniers in a lot of situations that might currently go to someone else today, giving him that many more chances to put up more points, potentially closing the gap with what Suzuki did.

Beniers is getting those chances now though. His total PP minutes nearly leads the team this year.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

The difference is both relative and absolute. Beniers's scoring rate on the PP is very very low, he would be closer to on par with the Habs worst 2nd unit guys that year.



Beniers is getting those chances now though. His total PP minutes nearly leads the team this year.

He's getting some of them, but Suzuki played 60 more PP minutes than anyone else on the Habs, and averaged over 3 minutes per game on the PP over 82 games. Beniers is 2nd on the team in total PP ice time (only 7 minutes ahead of 5th), and is averaging just under 2:30 per game on the PP. That's not the same usage.

And look at shots on goal on the PP. Suzuki took 43 shots on the PP, almost double what Beniers has this year. I can't help but thinking that Suzuki's PP shots increased from 16 in the 56 game shortened season (23.4 shots per 82 pace) to 43 in part because he was one of the the best healthy options to take a PP shot due to so many injuries. And that makes me think he also got more touches, which resulted in more assists too.

Beniers has never taken more than 28 shots on the PP in any season, and has 23 so far this season. But, with other healthy options who can also shoot the puck decently well, why would they want Beniers taking so many more shots? With other healthy options who can pass the puck decently well, why would they constantly give it to Beniers? With fewer touches on the PP, you get fewer chances for PP points.

 

[Guess]

According to HF, Habs are going to get cleaned in a trade because all our players aren't worth anything

We need that 2C and we're not going to pay Demidov, our first line, Reinbacher, likely not even Hage. Maybe Guhle.

I'm sure with the firsts and depth picks they will find someone