Buffalo is a wonderful city to visit in the winter.....
Done that road trip in winter to see the Oilers play there in the old Aud. We had a blast actually! That was a great old arena!
Buffalo is a wonderful city to visit in the winter.....
IIRC the 50 goes to the people selling the 50-50 like EMHA (Edmonton Minor Hockey) that sort of thing. I think a few go to the Oilers Foundation but they should have no trouble via corporate sponsors topping up anything they may miss those nights I would think.
Bottom line if you have a building 2/3rds full your 50-50 isn’t going to be the same as if it were full. Upping the payout brings in more fans and may actually increase the payout than if it were a normal 50-50.
In the end you deposit dollars into bank accounts not percentages.
So the answer is yes. They are taking from a charity to entice more people to attend.
They could have added some of their own profits to the 50/50 to entice fans. I'm not sure why you are defending this decision. It is a poor one.
First neither of us know how it will work toward the charity. Second - It’s simple business. On the face of it the percentage is less but potentially draws far more people who will buy more to make the actual dollars to the charity far more than anticipated under less than perfect conditions (ie a full building).
Anyway I posted what I thought was some interesting and cool promotions for people who attend the games as per this thread, but as usual this forum craps all over anything the Oilers do with respect to things like this so I won’t bother next time.
Honestly this thread should just be closed and locked. Posting anything remotely positive in this thread is just an exercise to get beaten on.
You call my post an over-reaction?
I like all the other promotions. Perhaps I should have said that. I simply asked a question and then logically followed the answer.
Also, your post was not about season tickets.
One last query. The reasoning you used to to explain taking money from the 50/50 charity (that wasn't even introduced by them) is that more people will be there and buy more 50/50 tickets. Will the Oilers throw in the extra profits from the beer, tickets, etc. they sell because of their choice at the expense of a charity?
This really sounds like another Katz is sick and MIA while Bobby is worried about the numbers. He obviously didn't think it through.
Am I supposed to go to the game and be happy that one person will benefit with a bigger payout instead of the hundreds or thousands that would have benefited from the charity money instead?
Surely that now I have made myself clear you can see the PR problem this represents.
I never said you over reacted.
Finally you seem to be missing the point that the charity will make more money via the promotion than without it. Not sure your getting that.
Anyway I am out of this thread. Cheers.
I'm pretty sure that while 50% does go to charity the organization supplying the volunteers for that game's 50/50 gets a flat rate payout that is far less than the amount raised ($8000 is the number I recall but I'm not certain), the remainder of the charity portion goes to the Oiler's Community Foundation.IIRC the 50 goes to the people selling the 50-50 like EMHA (Edmonton Minor Hockey) that sort of thing. I think a few go to the Oilers Foundation but they should have no trouble via corporate sponsors topping up anything they may miss those nights I would think.
Bottom line if you have a building 2/3rds full your 50-50 isn’t going to be the same as if it were full. Upping the payout brings in more fans and may actually increase the payout than if it were a normal 50-50.
In the end you deposit dollars into bank accounts not percentages.
For the 50/50 promo, I like what the Eskimos did better. Just seed the money and everyone benefits.
That said, the organization running the 50/50 doesn't even get close to 50%. Likely closer to 20% where the rest goes into the Edmonton Oilers Community Foundation, which likely generates a bunch of tax breaks for the Edmonton Oilers Entertainment Group, so they've been benefitting from it, likely all along. This promo likely impacts how much they benefit as a result but omits the fact that the foundation also eats a shortfall.
I’ve heard the same thing.
My understanding is that in 2011/12 when the new 50/50 system was introduced and the pots grew in size the Oilers capped what the assisting charity could collect. Before a prize would be about $35-50K and the charity would collect 1/4 of the pot, Oilers foundation collected another 1/4 of the pot and 1/2 would go to the ticket winner.
When the pots grew the Oilers capped the charity’s collection at $25K (don’t quote me but something like that) and whatever was left was what they kept.
Theoretically the Oilers might be giving the participating charity a guaranteed amount of, say, $25K and if 30% of the pot is underwhelming it’s the Oilers that take the hit and not the charity.
The Charities and volunteers get $6000 put 25% of anything over $100,000 in sales. The remainder of the pot goes to cover costs and licensing of running the 50/50, with the remainder going to the EOCF. The money brought in by the 70/30 split will still be making more than enough to fund the charities and volunteers... it will be the charities, events and admin that the EOCF fund that will lose out for those few games.
Foundation Programs
Just so I am clear the charity is guaranteed $6000 and if the pot hits $150K then they get another $12.5K.
Am I reading that right?
Thanks.I’ve heard the same thing.
My understanding is that in 2011/12 when the new 50/50 system was introduced and the pots grew in size the Oilers capped what the assisting charity could collect. Before a prize would be about $35-50K and the charity would collect 1/4 of the pot, Oilers foundation collected another 1/4 of the pot and 1/2 would go to the ticket winner.
When the pots grew the Oilers capped the charity’s collection at $25K (don’t quote me but something like that) and whatever was left was what they kept.
Theoretically the Oilers might be giving the participating charity a guaranteed amount of, say, $25K and if 30% of the pot is underwhelming it’s the Oilers that take the hit and not the charity.
The Charities and volunteers get $6000 put 25% of anything over $100,000 in sales. The remainder of the pot goes to cover costs and licensing of running the 50/50, with the remainder going to the EOCF. The money brought in by the 70/30 split will still be making more than enough to fund the charities and volunteers... it will be the charities, events and admin that the EOCF fund that will lose out for those few games.
Foundation Programs
The Charities and volunteers get $6000 put 25% of anything over $100,000 in sales. The remainder of the pot goes to cover costs and licensing of running the 50/50, with the remainder going to the EOCF.
Foundation Programs
thanks for the info. I always assumed the charity gets the other 50% or a % close to half. From the non playoff games I went to last year, i recall most of the games are around $120,000 total pot so the charity would get $6k + (25% of 20k) 5k = $11k. that's less than 10% of the pot and they need to supply 60 volunteers for 5 hours each. Pretty sad if you ask me, I will probably forego any more 50/50 purchases and donate more at work. At least my work matches
They call me from time to time. Haven't really listened to any messages lol.Did anyone else who canceled their season tickets get a call from an Oilers rep recently and get offered 2 tickets to a hockey game?
Sort of. I've had a rep leave several voicemail messages for me. When the rookies were playing Calgary in Red Deer they invited to take me to the game (I live in Central Alberta); it didn't work out for me to go but I was pretty happy when I saw the results - 1 nothing loss in overtime. Post game comments weren't too positive either.Did anyone else who canceled their season tickets get a call from an Oilers rep recently and get offered 2 tickets to a hockey game?
There were several last straws for me but ultimately I drew the line when the Oilers started selling comparable seats for less than I paid as a season seat holder.
I was here saying it was a huge mistake and huge slap in the face to STH when the half price off tickets sale occurred. Which it was, and so blatantly.For the record Stu McDonald (or whatever his name is) told me at the STH breakfast where Bob Nicholson threw Reider under the bus that that promotion was a huge mistake and they won’t be doing that again.
And they are offering all seats in house to STH at STH price.
Not saying you made a mistake or anything. Just offering some clarity.