Buffalo Bills Season over. Ow.

[StreetHawk]

Gotta get your hands on him at the line or just off the release. If your defending him, you have to keep him in front of you, he gets lost because a linebacker will perk into the backfield for the check down or Mahomes moving and then, poof, Kelce is gone. They have good weapons in Pacheco/Hunt, Kelce/Gray and Hopkins/Worthy/Brown, the dline needs to be getting constant pressure.

Kelce is the go to in big games. But, he manages to always find that soft spot. For the Buffalo D, have to make the Chiefs earn their points. Don't give them freebies.

 

[SwordsgoneWild]

Sitting here basking in the highlights.....I was real critical of Andrews on that fumble. Thought he should've just went down instead of cutting back but that was a great play by Bernard. It pretty much saved our season. Trying to think of any other defensive plays over the years that had the same impact as that for us. It was unbelievable. Him and Bass came through for us in the clutch.

 

[OkimLom]

Sitting here basking in the highlights.....I was real critical of Andrews on that fumble. Thought he should've just went down instead of cutting back but that was a great play by Bernard. It pretty much saved our season. Trying to think of any other defensive plays over the years that had the same impact as that for us. It was unbelievable. Him and Bass came through for us in the clutch.

Taron’s int vs Baltimore that was returned for a TD years ago?

 

[sabremike]

cool story bro

I think that line was still hip to use roughly around the last time the Sabres made the playoffs.

 

[SundherDome]

I really wish I could get 100% on the Bills Bandwagon but can't ignore the awful truth:

Sabres -> Whalers

Bills -> UCONN Basketball

And the idea of Pegula being celebrated forever would shatter my soul in the same way seeing Peter The Pig getting his grubby paws on the Stanley Cup.

My brother in Christ, Pegula is no where near being a villain. I don't know what he did to your dog but it wasn't that bad.

 

[sabremike]

My brother in Christ, Pegula is no where near being a villain. I don't know what he did to your dog but it wasn't that bad.

He didn't do anything to my dog. My hockey team on the other hand...

 

[Dubi Doo]

He didn't do anything to my dog. My hockey team on the other hand...

I get the frustration. Believe me. But this ain't the thread for bad vibezzz. Leave that for literally any of the other threads on this board, haha.

Right now, Bills fans are watching one of the most likable Bills teams ever. I'm enjoying every moment of this season. Let's immerse ourselves in those feelings until the season is over, then it's back to the doom and gloom that is the team that shall not be mentioned in this thread (bad luck).

 

[TehDoak]

Sitting here basking in the highlights.....I was real critical of Andrews on that fumble. Thought he should've just went down instead of cutting back but that was a great play by Bernard. It pretty much saved our season. Trying to think of any other defensive plays over the years that had the same impact as that for us. It was unbelievable. Him and Bass came through for us in the clutch.

While both plays in the 4th (the fumble and the drop) were bad, neither were the reason we won.

In the worst case scenario on both:

- With no andrews fumble, assuming a TD and successful two point converstion, we get the ball back down 3 with 2 timeouts and probably 4-5 minutes to play. Not ideal, but still winnable.
- A successful 2 point coversion we get the ball back tied with 1:30 to go and two time outs.

I'd argue to the two biggest flips of the game were:

#1. Lamar's fumble and return that turned into a TD. That was at minimum a 10 point swing, if not 14.
#2. The red zone stop where they were 1st and goal at the 3 in the 1st half. That being a field goal was a 4 point swing.

 

[Jim Bob]

National pundits reveal true colors after Buffalo Bills’ win over Baltimore Ravens

The Bills advanced to the AFC Championship Game, which also means some analysts have taken to maintaining tired narratives

www.buffalorumblings.com

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Dirty Dog]

He was never wildly inaccurate and that narrative will never ever die

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[Jim Bob]

He was never wildly inaccurate and that narrative will never ever die

He only completed 56% of his attempts at Wyoming.

To compare that to some of the other QBs in that draft class:

Baker Mayfield - 68%
Josh Rosen - 61%
Sam Darnold - 65%
Lamar Jackson - 57%

Not completing 60%+ in college was why Allen and Lamar had a lot of doubters in the draft process about whether they could be accurate enough to be effective pro QBs.

And Josh only completed 53% as a rookie and 59% in year 2.

It has been Josh's willingness to put in work to improve that has led to this growth in multiple areas of the game.

 

[OkimLom]

He only completed 56% of his attempts at Wyoming.

To compare that to some of the other QBs in that draft class:

Baker Mayfield - 68%
Josh Rosen - 61%
Sam Darnold - 65%
Lamar Jackson - 57%

Not completing 60%+ in college was why Allen and Lamar had a lot of doubters in the draft process about whether they could be accurate enough to be effective pro QBs.

And Josh only completed 53% as a rookie and 59% in year 2.

It has been Josh's willingness to put in work to improve that has led to this growth in multiple areas of the game.

The interesting part about the critics about Josh's inaccuracies especially from the pundits, is that they never touched upon WHY he was inaccurate.

Turns out, inexperience in football games, and his throwing mechanics were terrible. You would think those that try to perceive themselves as students of the game would study how he threw the ball and see those problems. Instead, he gets labelled inconsistent and inaccurate without much context to follow. So then you have people like Aikman saying it can't be fixed, you're either accurate or not. Props to Aikman to admitting he was wrong, but I'm willing to bet they didn't learn what they should've for players going forward.

 

[Zman5778]

He only completed 56% of his attempts at Wyoming.

To compare that to some of the other QBs in that draft class:

Baker Mayfield - 68%
Josh Rosen - 61%
Sam Darnold - 65%
Lamar Jackson - 57%

Not completing 60%+ in college was why Allen and Lamar had a lot of doubters in the draft process about whether they could be accurate enough to be effective pro QBs.

And Josh only completed 53% as a rookie and 59% in year 2.

It has been Josh's willingness to put in work to improve that has led to this growth in multiple areas of the game.

I think I've also seen a stat where if you figure the drops by Wyoming WRs into things (which was also a narrative leading up to the draft), he STILL never made it to 60% completion. So yeah, the narrative that Josh was "wildly inaccurate" coming out of Wyoming certainly is/was deserved. It's one of the MAJOR reasons why the fanbase largely decried the pick as "Taking the wrong Josh".

Josh really is a unicorn. No one has ever posted relative accuracies so bad and yet ended up like THIS.

 

[paulmm3]

I've seen a bunch of analysis of Josh's time at Wyoming asserting his inaccuracy while there was basically due to the fact that the rest of his team was so lousy he had to play hero ball and throw it 60 times a game.

He has improved his accuracy from his first couple years in the league though, no doubt there.

 

[Zman5778]

The interesting part about the critics about Josh's inaccuracies especially from the pundits, is that they never touched upon WHY he was inaccurate.

Turns out, inexperience in football games, and his throwing mechanics were terrible. You would think those that try to perceive themselves as students of the game would study how he threw the ball and see those problems. Instead, he gets labelled inconsistent and inaccurate without much context to follow. So then you have people like Aikman saying it can't be fixed, you're either accurate or not. Props to Aikman to admitting he was wrong, but I'm willing to bet they didn't learn what they should've for players going forward.

To be fair.....no one has really ever cleaned up his mechanics the way Josh has. I think most realized that his throwing mechanics were shit......but again, there really hasn't been a QB (and certainly not a top 10 QB) who overhauled his mechanics as successfully as Josh has. He put in MAJOR work to get where he is.

 

[Dirty Dog]

He only completed 56% of his attempts at Wyoming.

To compare that to some of the other QBs in that draft class:

Baker Mayfield - 68%
Josh Rosen - 61%
Sam Darnold - 65%
Lamar Jackson - 57%

Not completing 60%+ in college was why Allen and Lamar had a lot of doubters in the draft process about whether they could be accurate enough to be effective pro QBs.

And Josh only completed 53% as a rookie and 59% in year 2.

It has been Josh's willingness to put in work to improve that has led to this growth in multiple areas of the game.

Completion percentage is not the same thing as accuracy. I understand the narratives, the “stats,” and the reasons against drafting him. But the idea that he was really inaccurate in college or as a rookie has been categorically debunked by so much tape by now it’s funny.

Do you know how many of the incomplete passes he threw in college that you would have to turn to completions to get Allen to a 60 percent completion percentage? 25 only! Only about 50 to get to 65%. Look at the talent he had, his offensive line, the drops, the tape. Give him a SEC o line, weapons, scheme, and play calls (he’ll, forget SEC, give him average college talent)…anyone want to argue he wouldn’t have gotten to 65%+ with a mere 50 more completions instead of incompletions? Of course not. It’s why their disbelief that he transformed into this phenomenal QB who can zip balls into incredibly small windows while on the run is so funny. He didn’t make an unprecedented magical transformation, they had it wrong from the start.

I’m a stats guy, and the complete failure for the stats community to understand the context of Allen’s completion percentage, and to equate it to accuracy (and a prediction of NFL success) was incredibly wrong and a complete failure.

Did he get more accurate? Smarter? Etc.? Of course, all successful QBs develop. Especially great ones. Was he wildly inaccurate ever? Nope, not even close

(This post isn’t directed at all to you @Jim Bob , just the media narrative!)

 

[Zman5778]

I've seen a bunch of analysis of Josh's time at Wyoming asserting his inaccuracy while there was basically due to the fact that the rest of his team was so lousy he had to play hero ball and throw it 60 times a game.

A lot of that is hindsight analysis. As in.....people trying to figure out who the "next Josh Allen" is.

 

[Zman5778]

Completion percentage is not the same thing as accuracy. I understand the narratives, the “stats,” and the reasons against drafting him. But the idea that he was really inaccurate in college or as a rookie has been categorically debunked by so much tape by now it’s funny.

Do you know how many of the incomplete passes threw in college that you would have to turn to completions to get Allen to a 60 percent completion percentage? 25 only! Only about 50 to get to 65%. Look at the talent he had, his offensive line, the drops, the tape. Give him a SEC o line, weapons, scheme, and play calls…anyone want to argue he wouldn’t have gotten to 65%+? Of course not. It’s why their disbelief that he transformed into this phenomenal QB who can zip balls into incredibly small windows while on the run is so funny. He didn’t make an unprecedented magical transformation, they had it wrong from the start.

I’m a stats guy, and the complete failure for the stats community to understand the context of Allen’s completion percentage, and to equate it to accuracy (and a prediction of NFL success) was incredibly wrong and a complete failure.

Did he get more accurate? Smarter? Etc.? Of course, all successful QBs develop. Especially great ones. Was he wildly inaccurate ever? Nope, not even close

(This post isn’t directed at all to you @Jim Bob , just the media narrative!)

And a lot of that "debunked" has been done after Josh has turned into a superstar. There were precious few people who believed what you have cited when it was draft time. Largely because it had never been done before.

And Josh HAS made an unprecedented transformation

 

[Dirty Dog]

And a lot of that "debunked" has been done after Josh has turned into a superstar. There were precious few people who believed what you have cited when it was draft time. Largely because it had never been done before.

And Josh HAS made an unprecedented transformation

Fair (and I was a happy guy arguing the night he got drafted on this forum), but statistic based argument are allowed to be attacked with hindsight.

And sticking a guy who played a year of JUCO and then two years on a shitty Wyoming team in the same sample of all NFL college QB draftees was always goofy. His completion percentage doesn’t measure up? Oh you don’t say!

Not arguing with anyone on the forum, just that media point has always bothered me

A lot of that is hindsight analysis. As in.....people trying to figure out who the "next Josh Allen" is.

Yes, but these comments from the media are made with hindsight. The guy said that…today!

 

[Jim Bob]

Fair (and I was a happy guy arguing the night he got drafted on this forum), but statistic based argument are allowed to be attacked with hindsight.

And sticking a guy who played a year of JUCO and then two years on a shitty Wyoming team in the same sample of all NFL college QB draftees was always goofy. His completion percentage doesn’t measure up? Oh you don’t say!

Not arguing with anyone on the forum, just that media point has always bothered me

Here is the thing: Josh has talked about how his mechanics were trash and he wasn't an accurate thrower of the football. And not just at Wyoming, but in his first two years in Buffalo.

A Search for the Perfect QB Throwing Motion! | NFL Films Presents​

And not turning the football over and not taking sacks has been a huge focus for Josh Allen lately.

The thing that is different is that not every QB is willing to put in this type of work to change and evolve. Some get stuck with the Brett Favre TD rule and never evolve and change.

 

[OkimLom]

To be fair.....no one has really ever cleaned up his mechanics the way Josh has. I think most realized that his throwing mechanics were shit......but again, there really hasn't been a QB (and certainly not a top 10 QB) who overhauled his mechanics as successfully as Josh has. He put in MAJOR work to get where he is.

Absolutely. Not trying to take away anything from Josh. Just stating the quality of analysis from pundits and "experts".

 

[Dirty Dog]

Here is the thing: Josh has talked about how his mechanics were trash and he wasn't an accurate thrower of the football. And not just at Wyoming, but in his first two years in Buffalo.

A Search for the Perfect QB Throwing Motion! | NFL Films Presents​

And not turning the football over and not taking sacks has been a huge focus for Josh Allen lately.

The thing that is different is that not every QB is willing to put in this type of work to change and evolve. Some get stuck with the Brett Favre TD rule and never evolve and change.

Of course, Allen put in incredible work in the NFL to improve every part of his game. It’s why he’s already an all time great. Doesn’t change anything I said though, and it doesn’t mean he was wildly inaccurate in college

 

[Dubi Doo]

Anyone else notice Allen's eyes light up to try a lateral on that 3rd down stuff at the goal line? It cracked me up. You can literally see the wheels turning in his head deciding if it was worth it or not. I love how badly he wants to win. The fact he's learned to reel in the TOs so much this season is insane. Nobody wanted to mention how many more fumbles Lamar had than Allen this season.

If this is the Allen we're getting for the rest of his career, how can we not win a SB!?