Music: Sean "P Diddy" Combs

[The Shadow]

He is arrested, in jail, and while awaiting trial denied bail. Not sure how that quantifies as "Nothing will happen to him as usual".

If we look back in 6-12 months I would almost guarantee he’s living a normal life and this is all forgotten about.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Ugh, but he didn't tell me who to vote for. I NEED THESE CELEBRITIES TO TELL ME WHO TO VOTE FOR because I can't do my own research

 

[93gilmour93]

Ugh, but he didn't tell me who to vote for. I NEED THESE CELEBRITIES TO TELL ME WHO TO VOTE FOR because I can't do my own research

 

[BIeucheeseWithWings]

Diddy wasn't throwing these parties for his own benefit; he was hired to collect dirt on important people. The cycle will continue after him. He either pissed off his handlers, or this is nothing more than another TV show for the world to be distracted by.

 

[Satans Hockey]

I’m happy to see that celeb worship is slowly dying out

I'd argue that it's worse than ever before.

 

[Babe Ruth]

Diddy wasn't throwing these parties for his own benefit.. He either pissed off his handlers..

This is a good insight. And it doesn't exonerate Combs' culpability or own criminal perversions. But investigative journalists (if any still exist).. should be asking.. why this open secret of Combs' crimes is now being held against him?

Who did Combs anger? I mean some of the allegations in the indictments go back to 1995.. for almost 30 years, Combs' lifestyle was effectively, systemically insulated.. and now there's moral and legal outrage. The timing does beg questions. And I don't think a critical mass of allegations explains the sudden outrage. He made a new, powerful enemy of someone?

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

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Cap is dead though

 

[93gilmour93]

Cap is dead though

His spirit lives on

 

[Jumptheshark]

This is one strange story. It is interesting who is defending him publicly and those who are not

 

[x Tame Impala]

This is a good insight. And it doesn't exonerate Combs' culpability or own criminal perversions. But investigative journalists (if any still exist).. should be asking.. why this open secret of Combs' crimes is now being held against him?

Who did Combs anger? I mean some of the allegations in the indictments go back to 1995.. for almost 30 years, Combs' lifestyle was effectively, systemically insulated.. and now there's moral and legal outrage. The timing does beg questions. And I don't think a critical mass of allegations explains the sudden outrage. He made a new, powerful enemy of someone?

Record companies? Media moguls?

 

[Spring in Fialta]

It's just that the floodgates opened with Cassie. It probably took her a while to prepare her lawsuit but the instant she sued and he settled you probably had a whole lot of other people who went 'Hey, he did some shit to me too, let me go out and X' (get paid, share my story, etc.). One comes forward successfully it only makes sense that a bunch of others do when they see see that it's relatively 'safe' no matter his fame and money. It was clear that there was a pattern with this guy.

Did Deshaun Watson piss off the powers that be too lol?

 

[tarheelhockey]

It's just that the floodgates opened with Cassie. It probably took her a while to prepare her lawsuit but the instant she sued and he settled you probably had a whole lot of other people who went 'Hey, he did some shit to me too, let me go out and X' (get paid, share my story, etc.). One comes forward successfully it only makes sense that a bunch of others do when they see see that it's relatively 'safe' no matter his fame and money. It was clear that there was a pattern with this guy.

Did Deshaun Watson piss off the powers that be too lol?

Yeah I don’t see why people need to make this more complicated than it is.

Diddy IS a power that be. For a long time he was as rich and influential as anyone in the industry. Why was his lifestyle insulated? Because he had money, duh. And he was connected to a pretty long string of violent and weapons-related incidents. He had already been sued for sexual harassment, and that was buried quietly in a settlement. Put two and two together, how many sex workers do you think are going to going to try and take down a rich famous rapper with a history of violence and a track record of making lawsuits go away? He IS the powerful enemy.

And the breaking point, as is so often the case, was his own woman getting sick of his BS. That led to a cascade of evidence getting uncovered, a sense that he was actually going to take the fall for once, and then lips start getting looser. Typical mobster story arc.

 

[Voight]

His lawyers think that him giving up his passport means anything, he can easily have another one made through the black market.

 

[Blitzkrug]

It's just that the floodgates opened with Cassie. It probably took her a while to prepare her lawsuit but the instant she sued and he settled you probably had a whole lot of other people who went 'Hey, he did some shit to me too, let me go out and X' (get paid, share my story, etc.). One comes forward successfully it only makes sense that a bunch of others do when they see see that it's relatively 'safe' no matter his fame and money. It was clear that there was a pattern with this guy.

Did Deshaun Watson piss off the powers that be too lol?

Pissed them off so much they decided to give him 250 million dollars fully guaranteed for some reason.

Strange.

 

[Babe Ruth]

It's just that the floodgates opened with Cassie. It probably took her a while to prepare her lawsui..
Did Deshaun Watson piss off the powers that be too lol?

The floodgates don't just open.. they're secured, or opened by institutional power. Combs has 30 years of settled lawsuits, trials, allegations, etc. But he was never holistically presented as a bad guy. It takes a motivated district attorney, or a journalist putting together a meaningful, institutionally supported expose' to finally get these guys in full view of the media & judicial system.
My opinion, Combs' situation is more comparable to Weinstein & Cosby.. predators in positions of entertainment power, who were institutionally shielded for decades. But then were posthumously prosecuted by motivated district attorneys & finally dragged by reporters. For years, the media presented Cosby as "America's dad" even with awareness of his multiple rapes. The floodgates aren't naturally opening and closing.. they're being manually controlled. But it's a case by case basis for each of these cases I think.. in who within institutional power gets "pissed off". I don't believe Combs just naturally gathered too much heat. He was effectively protected for years, and now he's not. That change of circumstance seems curious..

 

[Spring in Fialta]

The floodgates don't just open.. they're secured, or opened by institutional power. Combs has 30 years of settled lawsuits, trials, allegations, etc. But he was never holistically presented as a bad guy. It takes a motivated district attorney, or a journalist putting together a meaningful, institutionally supported expose' to finally get these guys in full view of the media & judicial system.
My opinion, Combs' situation is more comparable to Weinstein & Cosby.. predators in positions of entertainment power, who were institutionally shielded for decades. But then were posthumously prosecuted by motivated district attorneys & finally dragged by reporters. For years, the media presented Cosby as "America's dad" even with awareness of his multiple rapes. The floodgates aren't naturally opening and closing.. they're being manually controlled. But it's a case by case basis for each of these cases I think.. in who within institutional power gets "pissed off". I don't believe Combs just naturally gathered too much heat. He was effectively protected for years, and now he's not. That change of circumstance seems curious..

ok

who

Comedian Hannibal Burress and Cassie?

 

[tarheelhockey]

The floodgates don't just open.. they're secured, or opened by institutional power.

That’s a very specific worldview that nobody is going to talk you out of.

For most people, getting into deep legal shit can be as simple as your long-time gf cooperating with the FBI to take you down. Call that “institutional power” if you like, but the mechanism is little different than a common thug getting ratted out.

Combs has 30 years of settled lawsuits, trials, allegations, etc. But he was never holistically presented as a bad guy.

LOL what? Everyone knew he was a piece of shit. What are you talking about?

It takes a motivated district attorney, or a journalist putting together a meaningful, institutionally supported expose' to finally get these guys in full view of the media & judicial system.
My opinion, Combs' situation is more comparable to Weinstein & Cosby.. predators in positions of entertainment power, who were institutionally shielded for decades. But then were posthumously prosecuted by motivated district attorneys & finally dragged by reporters. For years, the media presented Cosby as "America's dad" even with awareness of his multiple rapes. The floodgates aren't naturally opening and closing.. they're being manually controlled. But it's a case by case basis for each of these cases I think.. in who within institutional power gets "pissed off". I don't believe Combs just naturally gathered too much heat. He was effectively protected for years, and now he's not. That change of circumstance seems curious..

It’s not that difficult to understand. From a law enforcement perspective, there has to be a willingness by victims to press charges and an ability to bring irrefutable evidence to the table. Accusing a powerful person of rape without any evidence beyond the words of one witness is prosecutorial incompetence. There needs to be enough substance to get a conviction, not just charges.

Combs was accused of sexual misconduct back in 2017 and settled out of court. Cosby was accused of rape back in 2004 and settled out of court. Weinstein settled with at least EIGHT accusers to make their accusations go away.

When that happens, any potential criminal case stops in its tracks. The settlement specifically stops the victim from pressing charges or going public, so law enforcement no longer has a basis for bringing charges (and even if they did, they have an uncooperative witness providing zero evidence). And other victims see the offender walking scot free like nothing ever happened, while the accuser gets intimidated and blacklisted. Ordinary people don’t stand a chance of getting justice in this dynamic, and we all know it.

The floodgates open when that dynamic gets avoided altogether — for example, when the sheer number of rapes that Weinstein committed becomes so publicly understood that major news networks start building landmark exposees with dozens of witnesses, or when someone close to the offender is willing and able to drop a mountain of evidence and insist on charges. That’s what happened to all three of these guys, they finally saw the day when a civil settlement was not on the table as an option.

You better believe there are a ton of others in Hollywood who are one motivated accuser away from jail time. They’re not protected by some shadowy institution, unless you consider lawyers an “institution”. They’re protected by their ability to suppress accusations outside of court.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It’s not that difficult to understand. From a law enforcement perspective, there has to be a willingness by victims to press charges and an ability to bring irrefutable evidence to the table. Accusing a powerful person of rape without any evidence beyond the words of one witness is prosecutorial incompetence. There needs to be enough substance to get a conviction, not just charges.

Combs was accused of sexual misconduct back in 2017 and settled out of court. Cosby was accused of rape back in 2004 and settled out of court. Weinstein settled with at least EIGHT accusers to make their accusations go away.

When that happens, any potential criminal case stops in its tracks. The settlement specifically stops the victim from pressing charges or going public, so law enforcement no longer has a basis for bringing charges (and even if they did, they have an uncooperative witness providing zero evidence). And other victims see the offender walking scot free like nothing ever happened, while the accuser gets intimidated and blacklisted. Ordinary people don’t stand a chance of getting justice in this dynamic, and we all know it.

The floodgates open when that dynamic gets avoided altogether — for example, when the sheer number of rapes that Weinstein committed becomes so publicly understood that major news networks start building landmark exposees with dozens of witnesses, or when someone close to the offender is willing and able to drop a mountain of evidence and insist on charges. That’s what happened to all three of these guys, they finally saw the day when a civil settlement was not on the table as an option.

You better believe there are a ton of others in Hollywood who are one motivated accuser away from jail time. They’re not protected by some shadowy institution, unless you consider lawyers an “institution”. They’re protected by their ability to suppress accusations outside of court.

Quoting myself, but almost as if on cue we have another example of this dynamic: BBC just dropped a bombshell report of dozens of rape accusations against the late Mohamed al Fayed, billionaire owner of Harrod’s and father of Dodi Fayed who famously died in the car crash with Princess Diana.

Mohamed Al Fayed accused of multiple rapes by staff — BBC News

Five women who worked at the luxury store say they were raped by the billionaire - BBC documentary reveals.

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Toward the end of the article:

“There were a number of attempts to expose Fayed before his death - notably by Vanity Fair in 1995 - with an article alleging racism, staff surveillance and sexual misconduct. This sparked a libel lawsuit.

Mohamed Al Fayed later agreed to drop the case as long as all the further evidence the magazine had gathered of his sexual misconduct in preparation for a trial was locked away. Fayed’s settlement was negotiated by a senior Harrods executive.

In 1997, ITV’s The Big Story reported further serious allegations including sexual harassment and groping - which is classed as sexual assault.

One of the women in the BBC investigation, Ellie, not her real name, was 15 in 2008 when she reported an assault to the police - an allegation that made headlines - but did not result in any charge.

In 2017, Channel 4’s Dispatches broadcast allegations of groping, assault and harassment, with one woman waiving her right to anonymity for the first time. It gave some women the courage to come forward - and was followed by a 2018 investigation on Channel 4 News.

But it is only now, with Mohamed Al Fayed having died last year, that many of the women have felt able to speak publicly about rape and attempted rape

The BBC documentary reveals that, as part of Gemma's settlement in 2009, she had to sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA), a legally-binding contract which ensures information remains confidential.

She says after she was raped, she contacted a lawyer who told Harrods she was leaving her job on the grounds of sexual harassment. Gemma says she did not feel able, at that time, to disclose the full extent and seriousness of Fayed's assaults.

Harrods agreed she could leave and it would pay a sum of money in exchange for her shredding all evidence and signing an NDA. Gemma says a member of Harrods’ HR team was present as the shredding took place.”



It’s the same pattern over and over. Intimidate the victim until they’re terrified of losing everything if they speak up. Then offer a settlement that includes an NDA forbidding them from ever disclosing that something happened, let alone pressing charges. Then destroy all evidence. Then bury the victim in the darkest corner you can find.

In this case it took the perpetrator dying for people to feel comfortable talking about it, including the news networks who were subject to lawsuit if they reported on allegations.

 

[Bowski]

Inbreeding happening in the Combs family?
Challenging Arsenio Hall for the most triangular head.

 

[Jumptheshark]

1000 bottles of baby oil? Now that what I call a party

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Yeah I don’t see why people need to make this more complicated than it is.

Diddy IS a power that be. For a long time he was as rich and influential as anyone in the industry. Why was his lifestyle insulated? Because he had money, duh. And he was connected to a pretty long string of violent and weapons-related incidents. He had already been sued for sexual harassment, and that was buried quietly in a settlement. Put two and two together, how many sex workers do you think are going to going to try and take down a rich famous rapper with a history of violence and a track record of making lawsuits go away? He IS the powerful enemy.

And the breaking point, as is so often the case, was his own woman getting sick of his BS. That led to a cascade of evidence getting uncovered, a sense that he was actually going to take the fall for once, and then lips start getting looser. Typical mobster story arc.

He also got away with it because like Weinstein the reality is much of industry and celebritiy world he was part of didn't care or indulged in behaviors as well

They will come out and act like they are upset, shocked or outraged as if they weren't at his parties for years and didn't laugh and make jokes of what was open secret thru years (Remember Hollywood for years made jokes about Weinstein rep and stories before pretending they didn't)

Diddy stuff isn't coming out of nowhere. It's been widely talked about for years but people didn't care. Musicians and celebs were still going to his parties, hanging out with him, etc

Its only now it's come to forefront publicly thanks to Cassie (Video of beating helped further bring attention to him) and likely others going to police and prosecutors opening actual investigations

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Also, if the allegations of blackmail turn out to be true that is another way he was able to get away with this for so long and have many potential victims (Both people he forced to commit acts and potential people who took part in acts then being blackmailed)

It will be a while before full details of allegations come out and as said during press conference this is still very much an active investigation and more charges could be brought forward in future

 

[Jovavic]

Black Epstein, he probably has so much dirt on so many people he'll die mysteriously in prison

 

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

It's just that the floodgates opened with Cassie. It probably took her a while to prepare her lawsuit but the instant she sued and he settled you probably had a whole lot of other people who went 'Hey, he did some shit to me too, let me go out and X' (get paid, share my story, etc.). One comes forward successfully it only makes sense that a bunch of others do when they see see that it's relatively 'safe' no matter his fame and money. It was clear that there was a pattern with this guy.

Did Deshaun Watson piss off the powers that be too lol?

Exactly.

Bill Cosby. Harvey Weinstein. Michael Jackson ... three other examples easy examples off the top of my head of folks whose crimes/issues were WIDELY known for years, decades in some cases.

There's a difference between things being known and things hitting a point where legal action can be taken.

 

[RandV]

Exactly.

Bill Cosby. Harvey Weinstein. Michael Jackson ... three other examples easy examples off the top of my head of folks whose crimes/issues were WIDELY known for years, decades in some cases.

There's a difference between things being known and things hitting a point where legal action can be taken.

Yes the point of being able to take legal action is where things get difficult. You can look at organized crime as another example, everyone knows who the mob boss is but you can't just throw an Al Capone in jail you have to find a provable crime to pin him on.

Our legal/justice system is more geared around catching people in the act, or having a direct victim to testify - and I'd say here that a dead body qualifies more or less the same. It's very challenging against people able to hire/retain expensive lawyers and have NDA's.

In my opinion the NDA's are the implement that should really be focused on here, not all this vague conspiracy nonsense.