Value of: Seabrook + Panarin

[thedoughboy]

Not a good offer.

Not enough value and including a cap dump in a cap reduction deal?

Try 1st + Nurse for Seabrook next summer.

That's a little much IMO

 

[kmwtrucks]

if kruger is traded after his 2 mil signing bonus next july 1st he will only be owed 3.8 Mil over 2 years with a AAV of 3.1 for teams the have a Cash issue and not a cap issue having Kruger for 2 years and only paying him 1.9 is a real bargin. Hawks would have no problem moving him for for prospects or picks to a good budget team.

 

[HawkeyFanatic]

Except if Panarin meets his bonuses this year (which he probably will) we still have what, 2.5 mil of the 4 mil in dead cap in 17/18

Not considering that Chicago has 2.5 million in cap space right now - so that could be set aside for the bonus

All this being said, Seabrook I think they would consider trading

I dont see Panarin getting moved

 

[KevinRedkey]

Taylor Hall would have made sense. lol

 

[FONZIE]

You should talk to Chiarelli. He loves bringing and keeping his teams in cap hell!

 

[Not Sure]

Not considering that Chicago has 2.5 million in cap space right now - so that could be set aside for the bonus

All this being said, Seabrook I think they would consider trading

I dont see Panarin getting moved

Doesn't that $2.5 in room already account for Panarin's bonuses? The potential bonus is put on the current years cap if there's room, at least I thought that's how it worked. It would have put Chicago over last year so the remaining money from the bonuses slid to this year as dead cap, but I thought that only happens if there's no room in the current seasons cap.

 

[YotesFan47]

Seabrook (~2.375m retained) for Michalek + 1st + Perlini or Merkley

Chicago gets flexibility after 1 year when Michaleks contract is up, and we get 3+ years of a top 4 RD with loads of experience for our young core.

Doubtful either team agrees to this, but would get us in the playoffs.

 

[TLEH]

For Seabrook as an Oiler fan I would offer 2017 1st unprotected and Fayne for cap reason

Deal. Get me away from seabrook at 6.85 for 8 more years

 

[HawkeyFanatic]

Doesn't that $2.5 in room already account for Panarin's bonuses? The potential bonus is put on the current years cap if there's room, at least I thought that's how it worked. It would have put Chicago over last year so the remaining money from the bonuses slid to this year as dead cap, but I thought that only happens if there's no room in the current seasons cap.

Since Chicago had no cap space last year. The bonuses slip to this year.

Now on top of that they have 2.5 million of cap space

If Chicago doesn't sign someone to use that space.

Any bonuses up to 2.5 million can be used for 2016-2017 bonuses

 

[Dampland]

The return would be too much for almost every team. Panarin is that good.

 

[Spazkat]

If they sign Vesey.....


The could trade Seabrook for a teams young Dman on a great contract like Harmonic under $4M cap hit. The trade Zpanarin snd get a good ELC player who has 2 yrs left.

Why would a team do that? The difference between Hamonic and an aging and declining Seabrook is not that big. That contract is going to be an albatross if its not already... imo he's not worth that much money now, let alone for the next 8 years. WOOF

 

[Creativero]

Chicago needs to just accept they are in a "deal with the devil"/ Gerorge Carlin- "when you get a puppy you know this is going to end badly" situations. Just put the very best team on the ice every year until you have to put these guys down. Don't worry about the future. This is what you signed up for with the Hossa/Seabrook type deals, so just win now baby.

 

[JustABlackhawksFan]

I don't think Chicago would move Seabrook and Panarin together.

They might move Seabrook, if he waives his NMC, to free up cap space for Panarin.

But I don't see the point of packaging them together.

edit- never mind, I guess this was already pointed out.

 

[Creativero]

Can Seabrook allow Chicago trade him, but keep he rest of his NMC?

 

[Creativero]

I don't think Chicago would move Seabrook and Panarin together.

They might move Seabrook, if he waives his NMC, to free up cap space for Panarin.

But I don't see the point of packaging them together.

edit- never mind, I guess this was already pointed out.

Probably won't work. Teams looking a Seabrook will probably be too worried about how his contract might effect thier ability to retain unexpected breakout RFAs.

 

[Rebuilt]

Not a good offer.

Not enough value and including a cap dump in a cap reduction deal?

Try 1st + Nurse for Seabrook next summer.

No. Hawks dont get to 'recycle' Seabrook into a 21 year old Darnell Nurse. Thats ridiculous.

Oilers dont want Seabrook. We dont want any other 30 year old Defensemen with long contracts thanks. Hawks can keep him.

 

[ulvvf]

Why would a team give up younger cheaper versions of what you're trying to peddle off?
Seabrook is already a #3 and will probably start declining fast

He had 49p (his best season ever) and he is #3 and declining fast???

 

[ulvvf]

No. Hawks dont get to 'recycle' Seabrook into a 21 year old Darnell Nurse. Thats ridiculous.

Oilers dont want Seabrook. We dont want any other 30 year old Defensemen with long contracts thanks. Hawks can keep him.

What other old defensemen do you have of Seabrooks caliber? I think he would be a good fit in Oilers, he still have a few more good years, and trades like that could make you into contenders

 

[hawksrule]

Not a good offer.

Not enough value and including a cap dump in a cap reduction deal?

Try 1st + Nurse for Seabrook next summer.

Why in the world would Edm do this? Terrible offer.

 

[Sens]

81GP 14G 49Pts 22:49TOI

That's what a Seabrook decline looks like? What a beast

 

[HawkeyFanatic]

He had a great season of point production

A bad season in terms of possession.

But he was paired with Tvr or Svedberg or Gustafsson for the majority of the year.

This year he will be paired with Campbell.

I would like to see what this year looks like before I say he is declining.

Also. Say what you want about his last season. An inch difference for his double post against St Louis in the 3rd period. And maybe the narrative is different

 

[Vatican Roulette]

The return would be too much for almost every team. Panarin is that good.

He is good.

But, not if he's saddled with Seabrook's contract.

 

[JustABlackhawksFan]

He is good.

But, not if he's saddled with Seabrook's contract.

Which is why trading them together would not make any sense.

It's too early for this discussion anyway. Chicago is not going to trade Panarin until after next season, if at all.

And IF they can't work out an extension with him, then they should trade Panarin (or his RFA rights, anyway) by himself and get back a good haul for him.

 

[GaryU]

Why would a team give up younger cheaper versions of what you're trying to peddle off?
Seabrook is already a #3 and will probably start declining fast

Of course, Seabrook would still make the Flames better.