Value of: Seabrook + Panarin
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Young and on good contracts - it's a big deal for the team with $21M tied to two players.
So why exactly does the team with the younger players on better contracts want to make this deal again?
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First off, Panarin is on an ELC, so there's no way he gets moved (Chicago literally can't afford to do so). Secondly, Seabrook's contract is way too risky for anyone to take, even though he's a top 30 defenseman in the league. A contender is not moving a piece like Seabrook for cap flexibility down the road. He got paid because of what he brings/has brought to the team, and therefore he will be kept.
Honestly, Chicago fans should just enjoy the ride. They have built a sick team, and they will likely be a surefire contender until Keith starts to lose his step. Heck, they could even be a playoff team after that every year. Moving core pieces at this stage for future flexibility is not worth it.
That's why they move Seabrook along with him. It's $7.5M of cap space. They have around $3M cap space right now, so they will be able to sign (or get) a couple of good young players as a long term solution.
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I like Seabrook but top 30
Dream on he is not near top 30 in the league. Hell he is 3rd on his own team and many teams have two better.
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I like Seabrook but top 30
Seabrook is fantastic, but can barely make top30 if at all. Definitely a top60 player though. 6.9mil is a tad heavy, but he had 14+35 production last season. Almost the same as Koivu (center, 1st PP) on 6.9mil contract.
Too long contract though, already 31 and 8 years to go. Full NMC, so this discussion is kind of useless.
Panarin goes next summer, with 2 massive seasons under the belt he will bring the motherload.
So both of these guys are not going anywhere, so why are we wasting time here? Prepare for the next summer when Panarin is on the block?
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Right now Chicago has 4 million of dead cap space due to Scuderi and bonus overages.
Plus they have Kruger that they would likely trade to free up another 3 million
How much will panarin get? 7?
Just the bonuses and Kruger is the 7.
Plus they have Kruger that they would likely trade to free up another 3 million
How much will panarin get? 7?
Just the bonuses and Kruger is the 7.
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Why would a team give up younger cheaper versions of what you're trying to peddle off?
Seabrook is already a #3 and will probably start declining fast
For Seabrook as an Oiler fan I would offer 2017 1st unprotected and Fayne for cap reason
Kruger is the only contract that someone would 'take' and I assume Vegas might select him. The hawks can protect 4 defensemen, and they have to select 14 forwards. There won't be many great forwards and Kruger is a very good shutdown center.
This is assuming Panarin comes in around 7 million. He could get around 6.
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The only reason why Chicago would trade Seabrook would be to free up room for Panarin, so why would they package both together?
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If they sign Vesey.....
The could trade Seabrook for a teams young Dman on a great contract like Harmonic under $4M cap hit. The trade Zpanarin snd get a good ELC player who has 2 yrs left.
With Pansrin...he his arbitration rights do his contract in arbitration could be above the walk away amount a team can walk away from in arbitration.
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If they sign Vesey.....
The could trade Seabrook for a teams young Dman on a great contract like Harmonic under $4M cap hit. The trade Zpanarin snd get a good ELC player who has 2 yrs left.
With Pansrin...he his arbitration rights do his contract in arbitration could be above the walk away amount a team can walk away from in arbitration.
I dont think they would walk away from whatever arbitration awards him
If it's a stupidly high number (which would happen because he had another really good season) then they will trade whatever to get around it.. Potentially trading Seabrook if possible
If they sign Vesey.....
The could trade Seabrook for a teams young Dman on a great contract like Harmonic under $4M cap hit. The trade Zpanarin snd get a good ELC player who has 2 yrs left.
With Pansrin...he his arbitration rights do his contract in arbitration could be above the walk away amount a team can walk away from in arbitration.
Panarin isn't eligible for arbitration - he'll only have 2 years NHL experience.
I stand corrected. He will be arbitration eligible.
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For better or worse Seabrook is a lifetime Hawk. Whether you put stick in leadership or not, the organization clearly values it, and gave Seabrook the contract that will take him to retirement. Most would say the the Hawks core is Toews/Kane/Keith, but despite being the lesser player Seabrook is valued by the org as a fourth member of that group. He is the vocal leader of the team. Toews is the heart, Seabrook is the voice.
Ten years down the road #7 will go into the rafters in a joint ceremony with Chelios. There will be fans that don't think Seabrook deserves the recognition since he won't be in the HOF, and there will be fans that still hold a grudge against Chelios, but no other player will wear that jersey again.
Ten years down the road #7 will go into the rafters in a joint ceremony with Chelios. There will be fans that don't think Seabrook deserves the recognition since he won't be in the HOF, and there will be fans that still hold a grudge against Chelios, but no other player will wear that jersey again.
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Not a good offer.
Not enough value and including a cap dump in a cap reduction deal?
Try 1st + Nurse for Seabrook next summer.
thedoughboy
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Except if Panarin meets his bonuses this year (which he probably will) we still have what, 2.5 mil of the 4 mil in dead cap in 17/18
