Value of: Seabrook + Panarin

[Kshahdoo]

I don't think Seabrook is a bad player right now. He will probably be 2-3 defenseman for the next few years, but his contract doesn't look great. Panarin is a 1st line winger on ELC and will be RFA after next season. The problem is the team probably won't have enough space to sign him.

Chicago needs a good young top4 defenseman and a good young top6 forward (or two young forwards) instead on cost controled contracts.

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[Maukkis]

Wants a top 4 defenseman and a top 6 forward, acquires them by trading Seabrook and Panarin. Makes sense.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Wants a top 4 defenseman and a top 6 forward, acquires them by trading Seabrook and Panarin. Makes sense.

Young and on good contracts - it's a big deal for the team with $21M tied to two players.

 

[50 in 07]

Young and on good contracts - it's a big deal for the team with $21M tied to two players.

So why exactly does the team with the younger players on better contracts want to make this deal again?

 

[Maukkis]

Young and on good contracts - it's a big deal for the team with $21M tied to two players.

First off, Panarin is on an ELC, so there's no way he gets moved (Chicago literally can't afford to do so). Secondly, Seabrook's contract is way too risky for anyone to take, even though he's a top 30 defenseman in the league. A contender is not moving a piece like Seabrook for cap flexibility down the road. He got paid because of what he brings/has brought to the team, and therefore he will be kept.

Honestly, Chicago fans should just enjoy the ride. They have built a sick team, and they will likely be a surefire contender until Keith starts to lose his step. Heck, they could even be a playoff team after that every year. Moving core pieces at this stage for future flexibility is not worth it.

 

[Kshahdoo]

So why exactly does the team with the younger players on better contracts want to make this deal again?

Because it gets better players?

 

[Kshahdoo]

First off, Panarin is on an ELC, so there's no way he gets moved (Chicago literally can't afford to do so). Secondly, Seabrook's contract is way too risky for anyone to take, even though he's a top 30 defenseman in the league. A contender is not moving a piece like Seabrook for cap flexibility down the road. He got paid because of what he brings/has brought to the team, and therefore he will be kept.

Honestly, Chicago fans should just enjoy the ride. They have built a sick team, and they will likely be a surefire contender until Keith starts to lose his step. Heck, they could even be a playoff team after that every year. Moving core pieces at this stage for future flexibility is not worth it.

That's why they move Seabrook along with him. It's $7.5M of cap space. They have around $3M cap space right now, so they will be able to sign (or get) a couple of good young players as a long term solution.

 

[hawksrule]

First off, Panarin is on an ELC, so there's no way he gets moved (Chicago literally can't afford to do so). Secondly, Seabrook's contract is way too risky for anyone to take, even though he's a top 30 defenseman in the league. A contender is not moving a piece like Seabrook for cap flexibility down the road. He got paid because of what he brings/has brought to the team, and therefore he will be kept.

Honestly, Chicago fans should just enjoy the ride. They have built a sick team, and they will likely be a surefire contender until Keith starts to lose his step. Heck, they could even be a playoff team after that every year. Moving core pieces at this stage for future flexibility is not worth it.

Seabrook wasn't anywhere close to a top-30 dman this past season.

 

[go4hockey]

First off, Panarin is on an ELC, so there's no way he gets moved (Chicago literally can't afford to do so). Secondly, Seabrook's contract is way too risky for anyone to take, even though he's a top 30 defenseman in the league. A contender is not moving a piece like Seabrook for cap flexibility down the road. He got paid because of what he brings/has brought to the team, and therefore he will be kept.

Honestly, Chicago fans should just enjoy the ride. They have built a sick team, and they will likely be a surefire contender until Keith starts to lose his step. Heck, they could even be a playoff team after that every year. Moving core pieces at this stage for future flexibility is not worth it.

I like Seabrook but top 30 Dream on he is not near top 30 in the league. Hell he is 3rd on his own team and many teams have two better.

 

[gwh]

I like Seabrook but top 30 Dream on he is not near top 30 in the league. Hell he is 3rd on his own team and many teams have two better.

Seabrook is fantastic, but can barely make top30 if at all. Definitely a top60 player though. 6.9mil is a tad heavy, but he had 14+35 production last season. Almost the same as Koivu (center, 1st PP) on 6.9mil contract.

Too long contract though, already 31 and 8 years to go. Full NMC, so this discussion is kind of useless.

Panarin goes next summer, with 2 massive seasons under the belt he will bring the motherload.

So both of these guys are not going anywhere, so why are we wasting time here? Prepare for the next summer when Panarin is on the block?

 

[Kshahdoo]

Seabrook is fantastic, but can barely make top30 if at all. Definitely a top60 player though. 6.9mil is a tad heavy, but he had 14+35 production last season. Almost the same as Koivu (center, 1st PP) on 6.9mil contract.

Too long contract though, already 31 and 8 years to go. Full NMC, so this discussion is kind of useless.

Panarin goes next summer, with 2 massive seasons under the belt he will bring the motherload.

So both of these guys are not going anywhere, so why are we wasting time here? Prepare for the next summer when Panarin is on the block?

That's the idea. Seabrook's contract doesn't look great at all, even though he's still a very good player. That's why some teams could perhaps trade something valuable for him, if he goes with a player like Panarin.

But yeah, considering Seabrook's full NMC, I doubt, he's tradeable.

 

[HawkeyFanatic]

Right now Chicago has 4 million of dead cap space due to Scuderi and bonus overages.

Plus they have Kruger that they would likely trade to free up another 3 million

How much will panarin get? 7?

Just the bonuses and Kruger is the 7.

 

[s7ark]

Right now Chicago has 4 million of dead cap space due to Scuderi and bonus overages.

Plus they have Kruger that they would likely trade to free up another 3 million

How much will panarin get? 7?

Just the bonuses and Kruger is the 7.

Who is picking up these contacts and sending no money back?

 

[Homesick]

I don't think Seabrook is a bad player right now. He will probably be 2-3 defenseman for the next few years, but his contract doesn't look great. Panarin is a 1st line winger on ELC and will be RFA after next season. The problem is the team probably won't have enough space to sign him.

Chicago needs a good young top4 defenseman and a good young top6 forward (or two young forwards) instead on cost controled contracts.

Why would a team give up younger cheaper versions of what you're trying to peddle off?
Seabrook is already a #3 and will probably start declining fast

 

[McSuper]

Seabrook wasn't anywhere close to a top-30 dman this past season.

For Seabrook as an Oiler fan I would offer 2017 1st unprotected and Fayne for cap reason

 

[topnotch]

Who is picking up these contacts and sending no money back?

Kruger is the only contract that someone would 'take' and I assume Vegas might select him. The hawks can protect 4 defensemen, and they have to select 14 forwards. There won't be many great forwards and Kruger is a very good shutdown center.

This is assuming Panarin comes in around 7 million. He could get around 6.

 

[DearDiary]

Because it gets better players?

Name a single team that would make such a trade... *crickets*

 

[Finnish your Czech]

The only reason why Chicago would trade Seabrook would be to free up room for Panarin, so why would they package both together?

 

[Djp]

The only reason why Chicago would trade Seabrook would be to free up room for Panarin, so why would they package both together?

If they sign Vesey.....


The could trade Seabrook for a teams young Dman on a great contract like Harmonic under $4M cap hit. The trade Zpanarin snd get a good ELC player who has 2 yrs left.

With Pansrin...he his arbitration rights do his contract in arbitration could be above the walk away amount a team can walk away from in arbitration.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

If they sign Vesey.....


The could trade Seabrook for a teams young Dman on a great contract like Harmonic under $4M cap hit. The trade Zpanarin snd get a good ELC player who has 2 yrs left.

With Pansrin...he his arbitration rights do his contract in arbitration could be above the walk away amount a team can walk away from in arbitration.

I dont think they would walk away from whatever arbitration awards him

If it's a stupidly high number (which would happen because he had another really good season) then they will trade whatever to get around it.. Potentially trading Seabrook if possible

 

[topnotch]

If they sign Vesey.....


The could trade Seabrook for a teams young Dman on a great contract like Harmonic under $4M cap hit. The trade Zpanarin snd get a good ELC player who has 2 yrs left.

With Pansrin...he his arbitration rights do his contract in arbitration could be above the walk away amount a team can walk away from in arbitration.

I dont think they would walk away from whatever arbitration awards him

If it's a stupidly high number (which would happen because he had another really good season) then they will trade whatever to get around it.. Potentially trading Seabrook if possible

Panarin isn't eligible for arbitration - he'll only have 2 years NHL experience.

I stand corrected. He will be arbitration eligible.

 

[mikee]

For better or worse Seabrook is a lifetime Hawk. Whether you put stick in leadership or not, the organization clearly values it, and gave Seabrook the contract that will take him to retirement. Most would say the the Hawks core is Toews/Kane/Keith, but despite being the lesser player Seabrook is valued by the org as a fourth member of that group. He is the vocal leader of the team. Toews is the heart, Seabrook is the voice.

Ten years down the road #7 will go into the rafters in a joint ceremony with Chelios. There will be fans that don't think Seabrook deserves the recognition since he won't be in the HOF, and there will be fans that still hold a grudge against Chelios, but no other player will wear that jersey again.

 

[gwh]

For Seabrook as an Oiler fan I would offer 2017 1st unprotected and Fayne for cap reason

Not a good offer.

Not enough value and including a cap dump in a cap reduction deal?

Try 1st + Nurse for Seabrook next summer.

 

[s7ark]

Not a good offer.

Not enough value and including a cap dump in a cap reduction deal?

Try 1st + Nurse for Seabrook next summer.

That's cool. They can keep Seabrook. He is very likely not going to waive his NMC anyways

 

[thedoughboy]

Right now Chicago has 4 million of dead cap space due to Scuderi and bonus overages.

Plus they have Kruger that they would likely trade to free up another 3 million

How much will panarin get? 7?

Just the bonuses and Kruger is the 7.

Except if Panarin meets his bonuses this year (which he probably will) we still have what, 2.5 mil of the 4 mil in dead cap in 17/18