Confirmed with Link: [SEA/NYR] Kaapo Kakko for Will Borgen + 3rd + 6th

[CLW]

Drury needs to make playoffs to save his job imo

When Quinn was fired I recall Kreider and Zib saying everybody understands that if a big club like the Rangers miss the playoffs people will be fired and players traded. In the context of this supposed 'mutiny' against Drury I don't think it's the fact that their buddies was traded that annoyed the room. I think it was Edge that said that Ranger players have long had a grudge with management, they've felt like they are being treated like slaves even if in a guilded cage. The, let's call it "miscommunication", between Drury and the room over that trade of Goodrow, and Trouba, probably was kindling to such feelings.

 

[LOFIN]

We also got stuck with some really crap draft years. Its not like we hadca chance at a McDavid. If NJ took KK and we took Hughes Im sure Hughes would have been fine. Getting Chytil in the Lias draft worked out well injuries aside.

Are you really?

 

[NickyFotiu]

Are you really?

Yes cream finds a way to rise to the top of the coffee. Hughes has world class speed, shifttiness, puck handling, vision and scoring.

 

[LOFIN]

Yes cream finds a way to rise to the top of the coffee. Hughes has world class speed, shifttiness, puck handling, vision and scoring.

If that's the case, why do we need coaches at all? If all that matters is skill and ability, coaching is irrelevant.

 

[NickyFotiu]

If that's the case, why do we need coaches at all? If all that matters is skill and ability, coaching is irrelevant.

Coaching helps but all the coaching in the world wont turn me in to Shaquille O Neal. Coaching at the NHL level during the season is not usually about teaching guys how to skate and stick handle.

 

[LOFIN]

Coaching helps but all the coaching in the world wont turn me in to Shaquille O Neal. Coaching at the NHL level during the season is not usually about teaching guys how to skate and stick handle.

Why not though? Don't the New York Rangers have the resources? Or the interest to tell how their players should train during the summer? Maybe if the roles were swapped, the Devils would've had the wisdom to send Kakko to the AHL where he belonged on his rookie year.

I refuse to believe that Kakko is just a stubborn bastard, who didn't bother to try and fix his skating during the summers. The Rangers just didn't do all in their power to do so. Which is inexcusable for an organization this big.

Look, it's indisputable that Jack Hughes probably would've fared better than Kakko. But I don't believe for a second that Hughes would've developed to the player he is today with the Rangers. Not playing third line minutes behind Zibanejad and Strome. The Rangers track record of developing forwards is f***ing putrid. It's all too easy to point this all on just bad drafting luck. Even if it is bad luck and those drafts were weaker, you can't come to me with a straight face and tell me that the Rangers have done a good job developing their forward prospects.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Why not though? Don't the New York Rangers have the resources? Or the interest to tell how their players should train during the summer? Maybe if the roles were swapped, the Devils would've had the wisdom to send Kakko to the AHL where he belonged on his rookie year.

I refuse to believe that Kakko is just a stubborn bastard, who didn't bother to try and fix his skating during the summers. The Rangers just didn't do all in their power to do so. Which is inexcusable for an organization this big.

Look, it's indisputable that Jack Hughes probably would've fared better than Kakko. But I don't believe for a second that Hughes would've developed to the player he is today with the Rangers. Not playing third line minutes behind Zibanejad and Strome. The Rangers track record of developing forwards is f***ing putrid. It's all too easy to point this all on just bad drafting luck. Even if it is bad luck and those drafts were weaker, you can't come to me with a straight face and tell me that the Rangers have done a good job developing their forward prospects.

I don't see any proof that the Rangers do more or less to encourage their players in the offseason. With KK you are talking 3 different coaching groups and 2 different GMs. Very rare for players to arrive to the NHL as poor skaters and then become great skaters once they arrive. They can improve it with hard work but most of that takes hunger from the player to take advantage of resources. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

I sincerely doubt Hughes would have stayed on the third line for 6 seasons.

Why didn't Lias and Krav excel at there other stops? Will Seattle be teaching KK how to skate like Hughes? Reasources/coaches can only do so much.

 

[offdacrossbar]

After 5 or so games with the Kraken, KK will be exposed for what he is. A very good puck cycler
who can thread a nifty pass and who can excel at 5v5 hockey in a checking type role.

Beyond that however, he will morph right back into the offensive sloth zombie that he was here.

 

[LOFIN]

I don't see any proof that the Rangers do more or less to encourage their players in the offseason. With KK you are talking 3 different coaching groups and 2 different GMs. Very rare for players to arrive to the NHL as poor skaters and then become great skaters once they arrive. They can improve it with hard work but most of that takes hunger from the player to take advantage of resources. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Players in other organizations have been able to do so though. And if Kakko was simply refusing to do it all along, the trade should've happened sooner don't you think?

I sincerely doubt Hughes would have stayed on the third line for 6 seasons.

I sincerely think you are wrong, considering this organization hates giving the young players opportunity instead of the vets. And it continues to this day. Laf still doesn't see PP1 time, even though he was able to get in bed with Panarin.

Why didn't Lias and Krav excel at there other stops? Will Seattle be teaching KK how to skate like Hughes? Reasources/coaches can only do so much.

Granted, some draft picks are just misses. Kravtsov and Lias were not rated that high by other organizations. Kakko was rated #2 by everyone.

Will Seattle be teaching KK how to skate like Hughes? Reasources/coaches can only do so much.

Well, they do have a pretty good associate coach with Kraken who has done years of skating coaching with NHL players. Did actually mention it in this thread already, but the post and the following discussion were removed for some reason.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Players in other organizations have been able to do so though. And if Kakko was simply refusing to do it all along, the trade should've happened sooner don't you think?

I sincerely think you are wrong, considering this organization hates giving the young players opportunity instead of the vets. And it continues to this day. Laf still doesn't see PP1 time, even though he was able to get in bed with Panarin.

Granted, some draft picks are just misses. Kravtsov and Lias were not rated that high by other organizations. Kakko was rated #2 by everyone.

Well, they do have a pretty good associate coach with Kraken who has done years of skating coaching with NHL players. Did actually mention it in this thread already, but the post and the following discussion were removed for some reason.

Will and Chytil both seem to be doing fairly well as is Laffy.

With all due respect I will wait on KK turning in to an excellent skater and scorer now that he is on Seattle. Any idea how long it will take?

 

[LOFIN]

Will and Chytil both seem to be doing fairly well as is Lavi.

With all due respect I will wait on KK turning in to an excellent skater and scorer now that he is on Seattle. Any idea how long it will take?

Cuylle has definitely been a bright spot. Chytil too. Laf (I assume you are speaking about him and not Lavi), has been ok'ish, considering his draft position. And Kakko was doing pretty well too, if you are looking at the 5v5 impact like with those three.

Yet none of the sniff PP1.

 

[GlasgowNewYorkRanger]

Well, on the ice for two goals within two minutes is impressive even beyond my expectations of how awful he would probably turn out to be. It's like he's been here for years.

 

[bleedblue94]

He will get PP time and not have worry about being benched all the time.


If something isn't in the public domain, should I assume you work for the Rangers, have been in the locker room regularly, or that you have some other conduit to the information?

Yes, bc it's been shown and proven that I do. I'm vetted and I've shared a lot of info here over the past 6+ months that has come to the mainstream a week or three later. I don't care if you chose to accept that, but I also don't need the arrogance.

 

[bleedblue94]

I never placed blame on Laviolette, although I do blame him for punishing some players, while refusing to punish other players.

If you're wondering why multiple coaches chose to attack the kids and bench then instead of the others that deserved it more then I think you got your answer on the way based on how the core responded when some of their own were targeted by management. The coaches all knew they would lose the battle so they let the players run the team which is part of why we are where we are

 

[NickyFotiu]

Cuylle has definitely been a bright spot. Chytil too. Laf (I assume you are speaking about him and not Lavi), has been ok'ish, considering his draft position. And Kakko was doing pretty well too, if you are looking at the 5v5 impact like with those three.

Yet none of the sniff PP1.

Okay fair enough. We will just have to agree to disagree for now. If KK becones an excellent skater or 30-30 guy in Seattle I will be willing to say I was wrong to underestimate him.

 

[LOFIN]

Okay fair enough. We will just have to agree to disagree for now. If KK becones an excellent skater or 30-30 guy in Seattle I will be willing to say I was wrong to underestimate him.

I'm not going to as far as thinking Kakko is going to suddenly break out in Seattle. I think he will have a better chance, but there's still lots of work to be done.

What my gripe here with you was, is that you think Kakko was just a bad pick and that Hughes would've become the same player with us as he did with the Devils. Not with this deployment. Not a chance. Developing players is not rocket science. But playing top picks in 3rd line and middle-6 roles is not going to help them become top line super stars.

Think about it! Even if Lafreniere has now been given the chance of playing with Panarin, he got it in year 4. And by year 5, he still doesn't see PP1 time. A #1 overall pick.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Guys, I’ve just realized we’re in the 3rd stage of grief about this Rangers team:

Borgening

 

[NickyFotiu]

I'm not going to as far as thinking Kakko is going to suddenly break out in Seattle. I think he will have a better chance, but there's still lots of work to be done.

What my gripe here with you was, is that you think Kakko was just a bad pick and that Hughes would've become the same player with us as he did with the Devils. Not with this deployment. Not a chance. Developing players is not rocket science. But playing top picks in 3rd line and middle-6 roles is not going to help them become top line super stars.

Think about it! Even if Lafreniere has now been given the chance of playing with Panarin, he got it in year 4. And by year 5, he still doesn't see PP1 time. A #1 overall pick.

Respectfully disagree