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Confirmed Trade: [SEA/NYR] Kaapo Kakko for Will Borgen, 2025 3rd, 2025 6th

elmaco said:
Yeah need to give the Zibs and Panarins all the ice, for a whole lot of nothing 🤣
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Okay, so you don’t understand our forward core, so I’ll explain it to you.

Regardless of Panarin or Kreider (Zibanejad is a center and we don’t have players who can play either, so they literally have no overlap), our strongest position is probably our wingers.

Lafreniere has shown more than Kakko, and the team was ready to commit to him in a way they weren’t for Kakko. I agree with that choice. Cuylle has had a very impressive season, and is arguably now a future top 6 guy, maybe even first line. At the very least middle six. Our top two prospects are pretty much NHL ready wingers, Perreault and Othmann. You’re talking about two top 9 spots, at the very least. Likely no later than the start of next season. Brett Berard has gotten nearly 20 games this season (was just sent down), and has looked like he’ll probably be a third line winger. Possibly middle six. I think as the season goes on he’ll get more games, and will probably be a regular next season, at the latest. So that’s at least 5 top 9 guys. And then you get to how feasible it is to move Panarin and Kreider with their clauses. Even if hypothetically we can move one or both, the top 9 is pretty much full at the winger spots. Even if we can move both, we can always sign one cheap UFA winger on a short term deal.

There really was no place for Kakko on that contract in that lineup spot. It’s not to say that he was a bad player or not worth his contract, but we were going to need his lineup spot for the ELC’s that are coming within our system to stay cap compliant and we certainly were in no position to be giving out a raise soon, which’ll be required.
 
hamzarocks said:
Kakko has little value

Dude is a 3rd liner.

Borgen is a good bottom pairing D.

Doubt Kakko becomes better than what he is now. He also bascially asked for a trade publicly via his recent call out of team.

Rangers couldnt develop him, and he busted hard being unable ti meet minimal expectations for 2nd OA

Both sides can move on
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Kakko on fire now in Seattle.
 
OysterForever said:
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.

For example, many Sabres players made themselves better players after leaving the team. Heck, some of them even won the cup.
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Assuming you are referring to Eichel here. If so, that’s a really poor narrative that Buffalo held him back. He’s scoring at roughly the same pace (including the fast start this season) in Vegas as he was in. Buffalo - 0.95PPG vs. 1.03PPG. Excluding his rookie year, it’s 1.02PPG vs 1.03PPG. Eichel had already established himself as the player he currently is in Buffalo, no matter the narrative around the team.

As much fun as fans like to have suggesting certain teams “ruin” players, while others turn shit into gold, the player themselves has vastly more control over the player they become at the NHL level than the jersey they put on. That’s why some low picks go on to be great players, while some top picks flounder and become just okay or worse. There is no “secret sauce” to scouting, drafting, and development that makes one team destroy a player’s potential while others make their players exceed it. Scouting has gotten better with the focus on skating and the mental game, but it’s all a crapshoot, development isn’t linear, and often makes no sense at all.

The don godfather said:
Kakko on fire . This could turn nasty on the rags.
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Serious question: I’ve seen many posts of yours on the main boards here. Do you actually root for any team? Or do you just attempt to troll the Rangers at all opportunities?
 
hamzarocks said:
Hes definately producing better at 7 in 10.

Will have to see if he can keep that up but he's of to a good start and proving me and any other doubters wrong so far
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He’s done this before, multiple times, with the team that “ruined” him. He has never consistently kept this up. While I hope for his sake (because I don’t like rooting against kids playing a game to fail, no matter what colors they put on) he figures it out, a 10-game, post wake-up trade stretch isn’t selling me that it’s anything more than one of his prior hot streaks.
 
Dfence033 said:
Assuming you are referring to Eichel here. If so, that’s a really poor narrative that Buffalo held him back. He’s scoring at roughly the same pace (including the fast start this season) in Vegas as he was in. Buffalo - 0.95PPG vs. 1.03PPG. Excluding his rookie year, it’s 1.02PPG vs 1.03PPG. Eichel had already established himself as the player he currently is in Buffalo, no matter the narrative around the team.
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Eichel, Reinhart, Ullmark, Rodriguez, Ristolainen to name a few.
 
Dfence033 said:
Assuming you are referring to Eichel here. If so, that’s a really poor narrative that Buffalo held him back. He’s scoring at roughly the same pace (including the fast start this season) in Vegas as he was in. Buffalo - 0.95PPG vs. 1.03PPG. Excluding his rookie year, it’s 1.02PPG vs 1.03PPG. Eichel had already established himself as the player he currently is in Buffalo, no matter the narrative around the team.

As much fun as fans like to have suggesting certain teams “ruin” players, while others turn shit into gold, the player themselves has vastly more control over the player they become at the NHL level than the jersey they put on. That’s why some low picks go on to be great players, while some top picks flounder and become just okay or worse. There is no “secret sauce” to scouting, drafting, and development that makes one team destroy a player’s potential while others make their players exceed it. Scouting has gotten better with the focus on skating and the mental game, but it’s all a crapshoot, development isn’t linear, and often makes no sense at all.



Serious question: I’ve seen many posts of yours on the main boards here. Do you actually root for any team? Or do you just attempt to troll the Rangers at all opportunities?
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What troll this is a horrendous trade I lmoa off when I heard it. They dumped the 2nd overall for peanuts. kakko just popped 2 goals last night this is getting interesting.
 
To think, if only the Oilers had last years Desharnais still, we could have traded him to the Rags for Kakko.

Good pick up for the Krak.
 
The don godfather said:
What troll this is a horrendous trade I lmoa off when I heard it. They dumped the 2nd overall for peanuts. kakko just popped 2 goals last night this is getting interesting.
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You are in every single Rangers-related proposal and trade crapping on whatever the Rangers did. Good for Kakko doing literally anything offensively for a few games, maybe he can actually keep it up this time. If he had any consistency whatsoever when it came to that side of the rink, he’d still be a Ranger.
 
OysterForever said:
Eichel, Reinhart, Ullmark, Rodriguez, Ristolainen to name a few.
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Well Eichel I just showed you is nearly exactly what he was in Buffalo.

Ullmark was a .912 in Buffalo, and a .913 in Ottawa. Forgive me for not thinking Buffalo screwed up more than Boston has been an excellent goalie landing spot for a decade or more.

Ristolainen - the guy who was universally shit on here for how bad he has been in Philly? If anything, he got significantly worse leaving Buffalo (and didn’t win a Cup per your requirement).

Reinhart, even Florida in their wildest dreams didn’t think they were getting a 57 goal scorer, and in the season where he shot near his career average rather than 22+%, he had 67 points for Florida. That’s not a marked increase from the 65 he had in Buffalo.

Rodriguez, sure he improved a bit. But he’s a 3C. Every team has a handful of those guys that “got away.”

This isn’t exactly a huge indictment on Buffalo “ruining” players.
 
Dfence033 said:
You are in every single Rangers-related proposal and trade crapping on whatever the Rangers did. Good for Kakko doing literally anything offensively for a few games, maybe he can actually keep it up this time. If he had any consistency whatsoever when it came to that side of the rink, he’d still be a Ranger.
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Rangers history of high draft picks not going well is well documented. I cant write them all down I'll start it anyway and maybe you can finish it. Pavel brendyl lias andersson dylan mclirath...

Mike C said:
a hit and a block too!
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More points for the fantasy league excellent. I think the secret will come out soon.😃
 
Dfence033 said:
He’s done this before, multiple times, with the team that “ruined” him. He has never consistently kept this up. While I hope for his sake (because I don’t like rooting against kids playing a game to fail, no matter what colors they put on) he figures it out, a 10-game, post wake-up trade stretch isn’t selling me that it’s anything more than one of his prior hot streaks.
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He wouldn’t be the 1st player to get out of New York and look better offensively

It’s all about confidence with young players
 
It's just like Puljujärvi he has never had any good centers, thank god Kakko finally found one in Beniers.

This message contains some humor, for the ppl who didn't get it.
 
The don godfather said:
Rangers history of high draft picks not going well is well documented. I cant write them all down I'll start it anyway and maybe you can finish it. Pavel brendyl lias andersson dylan mclirath...


More points for the fantasy league excellent. I think the secret will come out soon.😃
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At least we got in on the ground floor. Kakko is actually throwing the body consistently with Seattle. While I like Borgan and feel he's a serviceable defenseman, Kakko may be a late bloomer and bust out as a "difference maker" as the pundits like to say
 
Three things...

A player may get more points on a different team based on how he is used.

Talent almost always shows up...but sometimes it takes time or different circumstances.

Teams are just as responsible for player development as the players themselves.

I was interested in Kakko but it's not that easy to fit him into our lineup with what is coming in the next few years. Is he going to be better then Roy, Hage, Beck at his age and then a slew of others a step lower like Tuch and Little X? He's a .5 ppg player and while that is ok for a bottom 6, it's not so great if you are trading for a player with one more year before UFA.

Whatever...I'm more interested in Laffy as part of our top 6 core. If you are going to trade, move up the later, not sideways...
 
Mike C said:
At least we got in on the ground floor. Kakko is actually throwing the body consistently with Seattle. While I like Borgan and feel he's a serviceable defenseman, Kakko may be a late bloomer and bust out as a "difference maker" as the pundits like to say
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The return for kakko is what surprised me it was like I wanna send him out west so nobody hears from this guy again and get the lowest offer. Kids only 23 and 2nd overall . Heck not even a 2nd round pick ?? Something stinks.
 
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