Scoring on a Delayed Penalty while already on the PP

[Filthy Dangles]

As everyone knows, when you score on a delayed penalty in a normal case (not already on the PP), you get the goal and the penalty is then negated, you get no poweplay.

Seems to work different if already on the PP. Last night against the Rangers, Capitals scored with :30 seconds left on a PP, the Rangers took another penalty just before the goal happened. Many were surprised to see the Capitals got another full two minute powerplay to start right after the goal.

Based on how the Delayed Penalty rule works in normal cases, many expected the capitals to just get the ~:30 seconds left on the original PP, not get a fresh two minutes.

Where is this distinction clarified in the rules? I couldn't find anything on a quick scan. And why does it make sense to get another full two minutes instead of the most recent penalty being negated like in cases where you aren't on the PP already.

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[The Crypto Guy]

Huh? Who was surprised ? The first penalty is always terminated with the goal and the new penalty goes in (Unless the first penalty is a major).

No different if someone is sitting for a double minor, if someone scores in the first 2 minutes of it, then the second full 2 minutes starts afterwards.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

the goal kills off the first penalty , its the same logic as on a 5 on 3

 

[DrMartinVanNostrand]

Huh? Who was surprised ? The first penalty is always terminated with the goal and the new penalty goes in (Unless the first penalty is a major).

No different if someone is sitting for a double minor, if someone scores in the first 2 minutes of it, then the second full 2 minutes starts afterwards.

I was a little surprised but fully aware that I might just not know the rule. My interpretation would've been as well that the delayed penalty would be cancelled out by the goal being scored for the reasons that OP described (although one thing worth noting is that a double minor in such cases would still be administered but only as a minor, and a major penalty still gets major status). I didn't realize that the goal would take care of the existing penalty and that the delayed penalty would still be given in full.

In any case, it's not a common occurrence where that happens.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

It's a delayed PP, meaning it wasn't in effect. Seems simple to me...

 

[Rec T]

Scoring on a PP negates the remaining time. Scoring on a delayed penalty negates the penalty. In this case it's essentially a 5 on 3 that hasn't completely started yet. After scoring, the oldest penalty is negated. Here the delayed penalty hasn't started yet so the only one to negate is the one already running.

 

[Djp]

You score on s delayed penalty uou should still get 2 min PP

 

[Oilslick941611]

As everyone knows, when you score on a delayed penalty in a normal case (not already on the PP), you get the goal and the penalty is then negated, you get no poweplay.

Seems to work different if already on the PP. Last night against the Rangers, Capitals scored with :30 seconds left on a PP, the Rangers took another penalty just before the goal happened. Many were surprised to see the Capitals got another full two minute powerplay to start right after the goal.

Based on how the Delayed Penalty rule works in normal cases, many expected the capitals to just get the ~:30 seconds left on the original PP, not get a fresh two minutes.

Where is this distinction clarified in the rules? I couldn't find anything on a quick scan. And why does it make sense to get another full two minutes instead of the most recent penalty being negated like in cases where you aren't on the PP already.

no, the goal would end the current powerplay ( the one with 30 seconds left) and the new penalty would be assessed after the goal.

Why you do think the goal would end both powerplays?

 

[Filthy Dangles]

no, the goal would end the current powerplay ( the one with 30 seconds left) and the new penalty would be assessed after the goal.

Why you do think the goal would end both powerplays?

No you misunderstood, I said if anything I'd have thought they'd just get the remaining 30 seconds on the PP left.

I was a little surprised but fully aware that I might just not know the rule. My interpretation would've been as well that the delayed penalty would be cancelled out by the goal being scored for the reasons that OP described (although one thing worth noting is that a double minor in such cases would still be administered but only as a minor, and a major penalty still gets major status). I didn't realize that the goal would take care of the existing penalty and that the delayed penalty would still be given in full.

In any case, it's not a common occurrence where that happens.

Yeah, I saw a lot of people confused by it online. Like you said it's a rare thing to happen, I can't recall seeing that happen live before.

It certainly lines up with the logic of already being on a two man advantage and scoring, but goes against the logic of how delayed penalties are usually called and handled. Weird one

 

[PolishPrince21]

You scored on a delayed penalty on 5-5, no pp because there was nobody in the box. Scoring on a delayed penalty while already up , ends the first power play because you scored the goal and now they go right back to the kill. If that rule wasn’t in place many teams would exploit like the last 15 seconds or so of a powerplay and hook or do whatever if they had very little risk of being down a man for a full 2 minutes

 

[Megustaelhockey]

Surprised there is confusion here.

 

[Bonk]

You score on s delayed penalty uou should still get 2 min PP

The NCAA has done this for about a decade, and I like it.

It also seems to make puck possession more important during the delayed phase since it's a potential 2-for-1 scoring situation.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Where is this distinction clarified in the rules? I couldn't find anything on a quick scan. And why does it make sense to get another full two minutes instead of the most recent penalty being negated like in cases where you aren't on the PP already.

See below:

15.4 — Calling a Penalty - Short-handed Team - Goal Scored

If when a team is “short-handed” by reason of one or more minor or bench minor penalties, and the Referee signals a further minor penalty or penalties against the “short-handed” team and a goal is scored by the non-offending side before the whistle is blown, then the goal shall be allowed. The penalty or penalties signaled shall be assessed and the first of the minor penalties already being served shall automatically terminate under Rule 16 - Minor Penalties. Major and match penalties shall be imposed in the normal manner regardless of whether or not a goal is scored.

Should a minor or bench minor penalty be signaled against a team already short-handed by reason of a major (or match) penalty, but before the play can be stopped to assess the minor or bench minor penalty, and a goal is scored by the non-offending side, the signaled minor or bench minor penalty shall not be imposed due to the scoring of a goal.

Should a penalty be signaled against a team already short-handed by reason of one or more minor or bench minor penalties, and the signaled penalty would result in the awarding of a penalty shot, but before the Referee can stop play to award the penalty shot, the non-offending team scores a goal, then the signaled penalty (that would have resulted in a penalty shot) shall be assessed as a minor (double-minor, major or match) penalty and the first of the penalties already being served shall automatically terminate under Rule 16 - Minor Penalties.



In other words:

- Minor penalty already on the board when a team scores during a delayed minor penalty = first penalty terminates, new 2 minute PP begins

- Minor penalty already on the board when a team scores during a delayed major penalty = first penalty terminates, new 5 minute PP begins

- Major penalty already on the board when a team scores during a delayed minor penalty = second penalty terminates, major PP continues

- Major penalty already on the board when a team scores during a delayed major penalty = neither penalty terminates

- Minor penalty already on the board when a team scores during a delayed penalty shot call = first penalty terminates, new 2 minute PP begins