Post-Game Talk: Scoring, lack of. Jets lose 3-0

[johnnyonthspot]

I think Chevy stands pat, players that he wants he can't get for scraps and he wont part with the prospects.

What about calling up Bad Brad Silence of the Lambert?

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

No biggie. Wasn't expecting a win given our injuries and the resulting lineup against a strong and well coached team.

On to the next one

 

[bustamente]

What about calling up Bad Brad Silence of the Lambert?

Well he did score a beauty shoot out goal last night but who knows what the Jets do.

 

[GNP]

What about calling up Bad Brad Silence of the Lambert?

I like the idea of plugging Lambert into the lineup and see how he does. He played well in the preseason, and we'd have 2 young guys that can gain some NHL experience, in Lambert and Perfetti. If hedoesn't work out, you can send him back down. It's worth a shot.

 

[Jet]

The way I feel about the Lambert situation is he is the most purely talented forward in our system. That's what the Jets need in the moment and they could call him up for a few games just to see how he does.

There's no negative consequences to that. As a matter of fact it could be a positive motivation for Brad.

I think it's the most logical thing to do before spending assets, it's a low risk potential solution

 

[voyageur]

I like the idea of plugging Lambert into the lineup and see how he does. He played well in the preseason, and we'd have 2 young guys that can gain some NHL experience, in Lambert and Perfetti. If hedoesn't work out, you can send him back down. It's worth a shot.

I am not sure how much difference he would make right now. He just got back from illness, and in the 4 games since has 0 points, -3. Last time he scored a goal was October 22nd. The speed is a nice asset. I'd rather see Jansen Harkins get a top line promotion. He's a guy who has worked hard. Got demoted, went to the Moose, and just played his way back up. He's played in top 6 situations in the NHL, in spot duty, generated a couple of goals doing it too. I'd move Gagner down to Lowry's line, because the big thing for me is secondary scoring. There's just none. I liked our potential with Barron-Lowry-Appleton as a cycle line, that could generate chances. I'm not minding the game of AJF on the forecheck at least, but Maenalanen to me is a dead end offensively. I think you could make a case to take him out of the lineup and leave Eyssimont and Toninato as your 4th line wingers, if there wasn't the need for him on the PK, where I think he's better than Toninato.

 

[Jet]

I am not sure how much difference he would make right now. He just got back from illness, and in the 4 games since has 0 points, -3. Last time he scored a goal was October 22nd. The speed is a nice asset. I'd rather see Jansen Harkins get a top line promotion. He's a guy who has worked hard. Got demoted, went to the Moose, and just played his way back up. He's played in top 6 situations in the NHL, in spot duty, generated a couple of goals doing it too. I'd move Gagner down to Lowry's line, because the big thing for me is secondary scoring. There's just none. I liked our potential with Barron-Lowry-Appleton as a cycle line, that could generate chances. I'm not minding the game of AJF on the forecheck at least, but Maenalanen to me is a dead end offensively. I think you could make a case to take him out of the lineup and leave Eyssimont and Toninato as your 4th line wingers, if there wasn't the need for him on the PK, where I think he's better than Toninato.

I really don't understand this mindset. Harkins has had plenty of opportunity to show he can hang in the top 6 and never has. He was a waived vet that should say all thats needed.

Again, calling Lambert up has zero risk. Give him a few games to see what happens. He'd be playing with elite offensive players and he has the talent to work with that. If he struggles, you send him back down no harm, no foul.

 

[Weezeric]

I really don't understand this mindset. Harkins has had plenty of opportunity to show he can hang in the top 6 and never has. He was a waived vet that should say all thats needed.

Again, calling Lambert up has zero risk. Give him a few games to see what happens. He'd be playing with elite offensive players and he has the talent to work with that. If he struggles, you send him back down no harm, no foul.

He’s struggling right now in the AHL..

 

[bennylundholm]

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I predict Wheeler carries a carton of eggs in his pants next game and doesn't break any by game's end.

 

[ecolad]

Exactly and when we did regain control it was like our players didn't know where to go half the time. A good chunk of the time we'd put the puck to a space with a player in the vicinity and said player wouldn't be ready for it and lose possesion and it would exit the zone.

Not really sure why some are having an issue with how some players like Perfetti are looking offensively. He's doing exactly what the coach is asking. Putting the puck in an area where the team is going to continue the cycle/pursuit or if he gets the puck up high he's putting it towards the net looking for tips and rebounds. He was more creative when Bones was out with COVID. Now hes playing the simplified basic offensive game he wants all lines except line 1 to play.

This is shaping up to be just like Dallas where one line was allowed to be creative and all the other lines where expected to be low event lines. One thing I haven't liked is the whole montra that all lines need to look the same.

I will say I like our defense much better this year but have major questions on if we have the roster to grind out low scoring games.

Anyhow we will see if our players can adapt and have success playing his offensive scheme. So far our 5 on 5 scoring is close to none existent and I agree that our roster talent in the top 6 isn't really made for that type of game.

Playing this style of hockey will be beneficial to Perfetti`s development but the risk is that he will become dissatisified/ frustrated with the limited opportunity to be creative.

Seems to me though that the underlying issue here is the general ineffectiveness of the 2nd line- and it`s not play style per se, but actual line make-up. DuBois needs a fast, hard-checking winger capable of winning board battles and setting a low cycle - and frankly, neither Wheeler nor Perfetti show this ability on a consistent basis. Perfetti is an excellent disrupter, and creates turnovers through great anticipation and stick checking - but needs someone on his line to know how to position themselves at net front and particularly how to finish. DuBois is reasonably good at this but Wheeler doesn`t seem to show much aptitude for this at all. Seems to me that the line`s effectiveness is reduced even further when Wheeler is the last to enter the zone as F3 and then positions himself high. When this happens, literally nobody is in their optimal position playing to their stengths.

Maybe it`s time for change to the line itself?

 

[surixon]

Playing this style of hockey will be beneficial to Perfetti`s development but the risk is that he will become dissatisified/ frustrated with the limited opportunity to be creative.

Seems to me though that the underlying issue here is the general ineffectiveness of the 2nd line- and it`s not play style per se, but actual line make-up. DuBois needs a fast, hard-checking winger capable of winning board battles and setting a low cycle - and frankly, neither Wheeler nor Perfetti show this ability on a consistent basis. Perfetti is an excellent disrupter, and creates turnovers through great anticipation and stick checking - but needs someone on his line to know how to position themselves at net front and particularly how to finish. DuBois is reasonably good at this but Wheeler doesn`t seem to show much aptitude for this at all. Seems to me that the line`s effectiveness is reduced even further when Wheeler is the last to enter the zone as F3 and then positions himself high. When this happens, literally nobody is in their optimal position playing to their stengths.

Maybe it`s time for change to the line itself?

I agree, i think line two needs a speed injection. The line worked last year because Conner did a lot of what you are calling for. I also don't really like the line composition of line two but with the Ehlers injury we don't have many options atm.

I also agree that Cole will benefit in the long run from learning what he's learning so far this year off the puck but at some point you need to let him be creative in the ozone. I think if you listen to Bones though this year is really about his play off the puck and building offense through strong fundamentals. I think we are seeing more of that in his game and I think he needs those fundamentals if the plan is to move him into the middle next year or the year after. So I think he's developing well and pucks will likely start going in for him again at some point soon. Still feel he could have had a few points last night with some better finish or if he got some bounces.

 

[Jet]

Playing this style of hockey will be beneficial to Perfetti`s development but the risk is that he will become dissatisified/ frustrated with the limited opportunity to be creative.

Seems to me though that the underlying issue here is the general ineffectiveness of the 2nd line- and it`s not play style per se, but actual line make-up. DuBois needs a fast, hard-checking winger capable of winning board battles and setting a low cycle - and frankly, neither Wheeler nor Perfetti show this ability on a consistent basis. Perfetti is an excellent disrupter, and creates turnovers through great anticipation and stick checking - but needs someone on his line to know how to position themselves at net front and particularly how to finish. DuBois is reasonably good at this but Wheeler doesn`t seem to show much aptitude for this at all. Seems to me that the line`s effectiveness is reduced even further when Wheeler is the last to enter the zone as F3 and then positions himself high. When this happens, literally nobody is in their optimal position playing to their stengths.

Maybe it`s time for change to the line itself?

I thought that line was doing pretty well actually. I'd still love to see Perfetti get some games with 55 though

 

[bustamente]

Tied for second before that American holiday that will remain unmentioned. Don't think to many would of had us in that position when the season started.

 

[voyageur]

I really don't understand this mindset. Harkins has had plenty of opportunity to show he can hang in the top 6 and never has. He was a waived vet that should say all thats needed.

Again, calling Lambert up has zero risk. Give him a few games to see what happens. He'd be playing with elite offensive players and he has the talent to work with that. If he struggles, you send him back down no harm, no foul.

I'm not sure Harkins has ever really had an opportunity here to show he's top 6. At first Roslovic was ahead of him, then Appleton, then Vesalainen. This year Appleton and Gagner both have got the initial looks. He's had a chance to play checking line minutes, and hasn't been great in that role. Don't think he's defensively aware enough for that role, he tends to overskate his gaps for one when pressuring the points. But offensively he's been better than Lambert on the Moose, this year, and showed some signs of attack on the Jets, with 4th line teammates. I'd give him a chance, but I think the answer to the scoring woes probably comes from outside the organization. I'd like to see Lambert become a dominant AHL player before I consider promoting him.

 

[Jet]

I'm not sure Harkins has ever really had an opportunity here to show he's top 6. At first Roslovic was ahead of him, then Appleton, then Vesalainen. This year Appleton and Gagner both have got the initial looks. He's had a chance to play checking line minutes, and hasn't been great in that role. Don't think he's defensively aware enough for that role, he tends to overskate his gaps for one when pressuring the points. But offensively he's been better than Lambert on the Moose, this year, and showed some signs of attack on the Jets, with 4th line teammates. I'd give him a chance, but I think the answer to the scoring woes probably comes from outside the organization. I'd like to see Lambert become a dominant AHL player before I consider promoting him.

I definitely remember Harkins getting looks up there. At any rate, it will be interesting to see what Chevy does. I know people think he will sleep on this and I don't blame them based on history but if we continue to struggle to score I don't think he lets the team fall in the standings without at least trying to do something.

Just shit luck losing Ehlers. He does so much not only for his line but for the whole team.

 

[DRW204]

Gus had a pretty solid backhand pass to Connor in the slot today that I think was the Jets single largest xGF event in the game

That's fine and all. And I didn't say he wasn't creating chances, but we do need some to go in to help win games. Gus has 0 goals on the year and 1 in 44 career games.

 

[ecolad]

I agree, i think line two needs a speed injection. The line worked last year because Conner did a lot of what you are calling for. I also don't really like the line composition of line two but with the Ehlers injury we don't have many options atm.

I also agree that Cole will benefit in the long run from learning what he's learning so far this year off the puck but at some point you need to let him be creative in the ozone. I think if you listen to Bones though this year is really about his play off the puck and building offense through strong fundamentals. I think we are seeing more of that in his game and I think he needs those fundamentals if the plan is to move him into the middle next year or the year after. So I think he's developing well and pucks will likely start going in for him again at some point soon. Still feel he could have had a few points last night with some better finish or if he got some bounces.

Dare I say that the line needs someone on RW who stylistically plays like our old friend Svetchnikov - only preferably at least one notch higher - and at a quicker pace.

 

[KingBogo]

I definitely remember Harkins getting looks up there. At any rate, it will be interesting to see what Chevy does. I know people think he will sleep on this and I don't blame them based on history but if we continue to struggle to score I don't think he lets the team fall in the standings without at least trying to do something.

Just shit luck losing Ehlers. He does so much not only for his line but for the whole team.

Agreed I think Chevy needs to do something and I think he will. IMO he has too much invested in this season being successful with all the expiring contracts to star players coming around the corner. He has kept some powder dry leaving himself with some cap space.

 

[DRW204]

Nothing to do with one game many have been calling for a trade for a while now and got amplified with the Ehlers news, I don't think Chevy will do anything. Getting a top six scorer costs and he wont give it.

Right but the team was 8-1-1. Now that the Ehlers situation seems firmly long term, you think about that if the team is struggling. That's what one game is here - one game isn't pushing him, or any GM, towards a trade. Maybe Monday.

This is Cheveldayoff we're talking about.
You really think a trade is gonna come Monday?

 

[voyageur]

I definitely remember Harkins getting looks up there. At any rate, it will be interesting to see what Chevy does. I know people think he will sleep on this and I don't blame them based on history but if we continue to struggle to score I don't think he lets the team fall in the standings without at least trying to do something.

Just shit luck losing Ehlers. He does so much not only for his line but for the whole team.

Adversity makes you stronger as a team. I missed the GWG because my brother accidently put the TV on the Leafs game when we started playing cards, and I reacted too late. But one mistake is all it took, in an otherwise back and forth game. I felt like the Jets would have been comfortable playing a 0-0 game, going into overtime, last night. There were a lot of good defensive details that the team can take away from that loss. One shot game, the Jets just didn't get that quality shot to put them ahead. Some of which was luck. I thought Jarry looked shaky early in the game, and that was the Jets chance to capitalize.

 

[LowLefty]

If we are going to continue with this style of play, we will have to learn to dump or chip the puck in a more planned, controlled fashion - to specific areas where our pursuit has a reasonable chance at getting close to the puck and competing for possession right from the get go. The Pens have already learned to anticipate the deep dump and were able to easily gain control before we could exert any pressure. They were then able to easily exit their zone without any pressure.

Bones eluded to this in his post game - makes sense.
We will likely continue with this type of game - at least on some shifts with certain players / lines.
I have no issue with it but you need to be prepared to work hard on the pursuit.

 

[tbcwpg]

This is Cheveldayoff we're talking about.
You really think a trade is gonna come Monday?

Of course not. I think he starts exploring it more seriously if they have another poor performance on Monday.

What I've learned about NHL trades is that teams aren't talking until they are. The actual trades themselves come together pretty quickly, it's just the decision to make a trade takes GMs a but of time.

There are some pretty clear trade fits out there for what the Jets have and what they need. We'll see if Chevy actually does something. The clock on this group is ticking.

 

[ThinIce61]

This is Cheveldayoff we're talking about.
You really think a trade is gonna come Monday?

Tuesday, duh!

 

[Upperdeckjet]

I would like to see Eyssimont move up the lineup. I think he has more to give.

 

[WaveRaven]

Wasting assets for rental isn't what I'd be doing if I was the Jets. Ride it out or get someone with term.