Proposal: Scheifele for Fiala

[Kshahdoo]

More and more people say Scheifele done with Jets. It looks like Fiala done with Wild. Scheifele is 29 and signed for 2 more years. Fiala is 26 and RFA. They are about the same in scoring, both disappear in playoffs. Scheifele is a center so is worth a little bit more.

So what about something like Fiala + 2nd for Scheif?

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[Altimus]

Wild need to shed cap, it's a non starter for someone so expensive

 

[EK392000]

Jets are pretty stacked at LW with Connor and Ehlers.

IMO A realistic Scheifele trade would be a second line centre OR a top 4 dman plus a pick to even out the value.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Wild need to shed cap, it's a non starter for someone so expensive

not exactly, the issue with resignin Fiala is not having enough money during the dead cap. 6.5m cap hit is not going to break our back and most would be happy to resign Fiala at that aav.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Wild will probably not be taking cap back.

 

[StumpyTown]

More and more people say Scheifele done with Jets. It looks like Fiala done with Wild. Scheifele is 29 and signed for 2 more years. Fiala is 26 and RFA. They are about the same in scoring, both disappear in playoffs. Scheifele is a center so is worth a little bit more.

So what about something like Fiala + 2nd for Scheif?

Fiala is a career 50 point guy with 1 season at more than a point per game.
Scheifme has had 6 straight point per game seaons.
They are not "about the same" in scoring.

Scheifme may have one of the absolute best contracts in the league right now for a player in the ppg range.
Fiala will cost more next season while Scheifme still has 2 years left at 6.1.

Scheifele has been very good in the playoffs with 31 points in 33 games.
Fiala has 15 in 35 games.

I like Fiala as a player, but there is no way he has the value to land Scheifme in a trade one for one.
There would have to be substantial additions from the Wild to make this happen.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

I think , yes we need C. If the lockerroom stuff are true, Minnesota should have no involvement. Besides the cap

 

[Jimmyjets]

More and more people say Scheifele done with Jets. It looks like Fiala done with Wild. Scheifele is 29 and signed for 2 more years. Fiala is 26 and RFA. They are about the same in scoring, both disappear in playoffs. Scheifele is a center so is worth a little bit more.

So what about something like Fiala + 2nd for Scheif?

31 points in 33 playoff games is not disappearing in the playoffs. Scheifele is actually a playoff performer and a big reason why the Jets were eliminated the last 2 years were the suspension where we couldn't win a single game without him and then Tkachuck injuring him in the very first game in the series against the flames.

Say what you want about Scheif, but he cranks it up for playoffs. That is not debatable.

As for the trade, Fiala had a career year this season and is his first going point per game. Scheifele has 6 consecutive seasons scoring at least a point per game and is a right handed C with a $6.125M caphit.

We would never trade him to a division rival but even if we would, Fiala wouldn't get the conversation started as we are already set at wing.

You'd need to make it a 3 way where we trade Scheif somewhere and then they trade him to you.

 

[Snowman]

I agree with everyone else. A left shot winger coming off a career year and looking for a huge raise isn't what what the Jets would look for in return for a PPG 1C, since they don't need anymore left shot forwards.

A LW is far easier to find than a consistent PPG 1C.

 

[Djp]

More and more people say Scheifele done with Jets. It looks like Fiala done with Wild. Scheifele is 29 and signed for 2 more years. Fiala is 26 and RFA. They are about the same in scoring, both disappear in playoffs. Scheifele is a center so is worth a little bit more.

So what about something like Fiala + 2nd for Scheif?

Minnesota is hit with a ton of buyout dead cap space the next 3 yrs which is why he’s likeky traded.

Minnesota is going to want ELC players for both him and Dumba

Is Fiala a player you want to overpay for In terms of acquiring+ signing.

 

[RangerBoy]

Billy G is trading Fiala for a package of future assets. Devils(#2), Ottawa(#7),etc.

Rossi will center Boldy.

 

[Sota Popinski]

Fiala is a career 50 point guy with 1 season at more than a point per game.
Scheifme has had 6 straight point per game seaons.
They are not "about the same" in scoring.

Scheifme may have one of the absolute best contracts in the league right now for a player in the ppg range.
Fiala will cost more next season while Scheifme still has 2 years left at 6.1.

Scheifele has been very good in the playoffs with 31 points in 33 games.
Fiala has 15 in 35 games.

I like Fiala as a player, but there is no way he has the value to land Scheifme in a trade one for one.
There would have to be substantial additions from the Wild to make this happen.

He was also playing with nobodies prior to this season and this year finished 22nd in the league in scoring on a line with superstar Freddy Gaudreau and half a season of Boldy, who had zero NHL games under his belt. Denigrating Fiala as a one year wonder is asinine.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Billy G is trading Fiala for a package of future assets. Devils(#2), Ottawa(#7),etc.

Rossi will center Boldy.

Actually the speculation is that Rossi is going to start on the wing: Rossi-Gaudreau-Boldy

 

[Digitalbooya]

Fiala is a career 50 point guy with 1 season at more than a point per game.
Scheifme has had 6 straight point per game seaons.
They are not "about the same" in scoring.

Scheifme may have one of the absolute best contracts in the league right now for a player in the ppg range.
Fiala will cost more next season while Scheifme still has 2 years left at 6.1.

Scheifele has been very good in the playoffs with 31 points in 33 games.
Fiala has 15 in 35 games.

I like Fiala as a player, but there is no way he has the value to land Scheifme in a trade one for one.
There would have to be substantial additions from the Wild to make this happen.

Fiala since he arrived in Minnesota (215 games) has paced 30 goals 41 assists 71 points per 82 games.

19-20 82GP pace: 29 goals 40 assists 69 points
20-21 82GP pace: 33 goals 33 assists 66 points
21-22 82GP: 33 goals 52 assists 85 points

“Career 50 point guy”

 

[rockinghockey]

Scheif is going to have a bounce back year and the Jets will regret moving him if they do. If it was up to me and aRNH didn’t have a NMC I would trade him for Scheifle in an instan.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Scheif is going to have a bounce back year and the Jets will regret moving him if they do. If it was up to me and aRNH didn’t have a NMC I would trade him for Scheifle in an instan.

He's still a PPG player. As far as I understand it's not about his productivity.

 

[StumpyTown]

He was also playing with nobodies prior to this season and this year finished 22nd in the league in scoring on a line with superstar Freddy Gaudreau and half a season of Boldy, who had zero NHL games under his belt. Denigrating Fiala as a one year wonder is asinine.

Who's denigrating? I simply stated the fact that Fiala has achieved a PPG season once. That's no small feat and impressive. I only said that considering a player who has done it once in 8 seasons to a player who has achieved that for six straight seasons doesn't compute. It takes nothing away from Fiala's achievement this past season.

 

[Voight]

Wild need to shed cap, it's a non starter for someone so expensive

Scheif may have had an awful year by his standards but his contract is a steal. No reason to think he won't bounce back, hes not even 30 and has shown to be consistent.

 

[ijuka]

More and more people say Scheifele done with Jets. It looks like Fiala done with Wild. Scheifele is 29 and signed for 2 more years. Fiala is 26 and RFA. They are about the same in scoring, both disappear in playoffs. Scheifele is a center so is worth a little bit more.

So what about something like Fiala + 2nd for Scheif?

Scheifele disappears in playoffs? About the same in scoring?
"Fiala + 2nd"?

I'm certainly not a Scheifele fan but there's no way the value's even close. Even the difference in contracts is probably worth a first round pick on its own even if the players were identical.

 

[gojetsgo]

More and more people say Scheifele done with Jets. It looks like Fiala done with Wild. Scheifele is 29 and signed for 2 more years. Fiala is 26 and RFA. They are about the same in scoring, both disappear in playoffs. Scheifele is a center so is worth a little bit more.

So what about something like Fiala + 2nd for Scheif?

31 points in 33 playoff games = disappearing...

 

[McJedi]

Billy G is trading Fiala for a package of future assets. Devils(#2), Ottawa(#7),etc.

Rossi will center Boldy.

Fiala isn’t going to fetch the 2nd Oa pick. He’s not that valuable.

 

[AKL]

Immediately no. The idea is to trade Fiala for cap space, not acquire an even more problematic player who's gonna cost even more money.

 

[57special]

Fiala is a career 50 point guy with 1 season at more than a point per game.
Scheifme has had 6 straight point per game seaons.
They are not "about the same" in scoring.

Scheifme may have one of the absolute best contracts in the league right now for a player in the ppg range.
Fiala will cost more next season while Scheifme still has 2 years left at 6.1.

Scheifele has been very good in the playoffs with 31 points in 33 games.
Fiala has 15 in 35 games.

I like Fiala as a player, but there is no way he has the value to land Scheifme in a trade one for one.
There would have to be substantial additions from the Wild to make this happen.

Are you seriously going to pretend that the previous two years were not Covid shortened?

Fiala scored at approximately a 65-66 pt. pace in them, then 85 pts this year. He clearly is just entering his prime, while Schiefele is leaving his.

Fiala's linemates over the past three years have been luminaries like Victor Rask, Nick Bonino, Marcus Johansson, Nick Bjugstad, Freddy Gaudreau. Only for the last part of 2022 did he finally get a decent player to play with, at which point he played at a 100 point pace.

Schiefele's linemates during the years? Laine, Wheeler, Connor, Ehlers? Little bit different, no?

I would bet that Fiala will outscore Schiefele over the next 5 years, if he is given the same quality linemates.

 

[Zach716]

The wild probably want someone that knows where the defensive end of the rink is located.

 

[jetsforever]

I agree with everyone else. A left shot winger coming off a career year and looking for a huge raise isn't what what the Jets would look for in return for a PPG 1C, since they don't need anymore left shot forwards.

A LW is far easier to find than a consistent PPG 1C.

Never mind easier to find - a LW is easier to find on our own team, where we already have around 3-4 top-6 LWs