Sarnia Sting 2024 - 25 Season Thread, Part II

[stingwagoner]

Good coach will use what he bring and let him run pp from down low, clearly out D aren't offensive enough and none have the shot to baffle goalies.
Something needs to change in that department and in hurry. Karimov down low plays let him create 2 in1s on pp.
Mailet was behind a solid Bodin/Bridgewater hurt/Obrien effort I Erie. That effort wasn't there on friday night took Owen sound too easy with Obrien in offe sive zone too much not to mention fischer and young.
For us to be successful our D have to be solid D not get caught and join rush not lead.

 

[Ferda11]

Good coach will use what he bring and let him run pp from down low, clearly out D aren't offensive enough and none have the shot to baffle goalies.
Something needs to change in that department and in hurry. Karimov down low plays let him create 2 in1s on pp.
Mailet was behind a solid Bodin/Bridgewater hurt/Obrien effort I Erie. That effort wasn't there on friday night took Owen sound too easy with Obrien in offe sive zone too much not to mention fischer and young.
For us to be successful our D have to be solid D not get caught and join rush not lead.

Agree. Sting have no success using D on the PP. Way to predicable with their puck movement. Also not skilled enough to be honest. Let Karimov drive the play from down low with Filak net front and Doucette and Edwards in the slots. Keep 1 D high in Fischer or Young. Sting need to simplify...pucks/bodies to the net at any opportunity possible.

 

[StingUpdates]

Manza officially signs. Hopefully for a few seasons! He boosts our already promising U17 core & should give us a boost for this season too especially at RW where we are lacking a bit. Not really putting any expectations on him, but for whatever reason the guys who've come over from the BCHL have stepped in & been rather impactful for their teams so hopefully he can be too.

Wonder what Letang does with the lines. I wouldn't touch 23-40-11 & how could u split up 19-81-24 after they won them the game in Erie? I'd definitely keep 12-17 together as they've been showing great chemistry already.

You know Doucette comes back in & probably on that RW w/12-17.

So is Manza really gonna be line 4 with Luecke & Chamberlain or Franceschetti? He should probably be L3 with 19-81, but as I said I wouldn't split that trio up until their play starts to dip. I cant imagine he left the BCHL to play line 4 tho lol.

Sucks that Luecke is sorta stapled to L4 now. I liked what he was showing with more skilled guys on his line. Still really nice to see him showing progress.

Team is low-key deep up front. They can roll 3 lines that can score. A lot of speed & skill throughout mixed with some grit. Really like how it looks now.

 

[StingUpdates]

Agree. Sting have no success using D on the PP. Way to predicable with their puck movement. Also not skilled enough to be honest. Let Karimov drive the play from down low with Filak net front and Doucette and Edwards in the slots. Keep 1 D high in Fischer or Young. Sting need to simplify...pucks/bodies to the net at any opportunity possible.

Letang seems to come around on what we want (just a month or two late) so my new grievance is not using Bridgewater on the PP. Thats literally what he was drafted for. To be a puck moving, PP quarterback.

He did it at a high level last yr in JR B & has all the traits of someone that can. Elite skating, elite lateral movement, quick stick & release on his shot. A couple of his points this year 5on5 have shown he'd be good at it with how he can walk the line & get his shots thru.

I know part of it is probably trusting your vets & Fischer/Young would be upset if they were taken off the PP, but I really do think he'd be the best guy on the team at running a PP up top.

I've liked Brown getting it more on the right boards. That unit has looked somewhat dangerous which is an upgrade over it being non existent lol. 17-13-81 at the top of the other has had some moments, but for the most part they lack a bit of cohesion & don't seem to think the same way. But im ok letting it stay as you'd love if 17-81 become an elite PP duo for years to come. They definitely need to preach shooting it more & having Filak, Beamish, Luecke, Karimov bang in rebounds. Karimov especially has a real knack for it.

 

[stingwagoner]

I don't agree Edward's wrecks alot of PPs with his inability to take pass.same with Fischer's limited offensive upside.
DYLAN drafted Barr and bridgewater (agree with stingUpdates) to be pp guys eventually. Fischer was brought in to be defensive juggernaut. (Not pp specialist)
Edward's isn't ready to be pp1 just yet we need to get better his time will come put him pp2.
That's why pp 1 should be vets (plus 17 they have the playoff experience it's a different level need to start now)
11 12 25 17 5
11 net
12 bumper
25 shooter
17 other side shooter
5 QB(not shooter)
Pp2
19 40 81 23 43(16)
19 net
40 bumper
81 shooter
23 shooter
43(16)QB not shooter

That's how I see it. We need to get better right away on pp and prepare for playoffs

Lueke will be line 4
Moses will battle with lueke for 4th line
Manza will come in and either be 2nd line with 17 and 12 or 3rd with 81 and 19
I'm sure it's in his agreement to come just like beamish

 

[StingUpdates]

“(They were) very sought after at the trade deadline, (but) had no interest in going anywhere,” Seca said. “They love where they are. They want to be here. They want to play here next year.

“They’ve got all kinds of interest, whether it be NHL or NCAA. Those are two guys that are like, ‘Nope, I’m finishing my career here"

Quote from Seca about Wainwright and Young. Would seem like he's gotten some reassurances they'll be here next yr.

Also mentioned the goal is 5th place this yr. Gonna be tough but it's attainable.

 

[stingwagoner]

“(They were) very sought after at the trade deadline, (but) had no interest in going anywhere,” Seca said. “They love where they are. They want to be here. They want to play here next year.

“They’ve got all kinds of interest, whether it be NHL or NCAA. Those are two guys that are like, ‘Nope, I’m finishing my career here"

Quote from Seca about Wainwright and Young. Would seem like he's gotten some reassurances they'll be here next yr.

Also mentioned the goal is 5th place this yr. Gonna be tough but it's attainable.

Not sure I believe that. Might be Seca opinion.
Either one of them gets a solid NCAA offer and isn't going to turn down to come back to play 3rd line and second pp I can bet that. Just to help young guys on and off ice.

 

[StingUpdates]

Not sure I believe that. Might be Seca opinion.
Either one of them gets a solid NCAA offer and isn't going to turn down to come back to play 3rd line and second pp I can bet that. Just to help young guys on and off ice.

If the offer wasn't taken off the table with them staying as OAs I don't think they'd be foolish to "decline"/push it 1 yr

They get top line, PP, PK minutes here. In NCAA Wainwright would play 4th line, Young 3rd pair no PP/PK.

I could see them wanting to play 1 more season here & seeing if they can earn an NHL contract like Ritchie/Dillingham/Sikic did & if they don't then go NCAA route for 3-4 years.

That quote also reads to me like Seca went to them & probably brought up teams want them, but they view them as elite OAs. So he probably wanted to know there thoughts on next yr. If either indicated going to the NCAA then they would deal them. My opinion anyways.

 

[SarniaStingFan]

Not sure I believe that. Might be Seca opinion.
Either one of them gets a solid NCAA offer and isn't going to turn down to come back to play 3rd line and second pp I can bet that. Just to help young guys on and off ice.

Except neither one of those players will have as small of a role as you have suggested. I agree that they both could end up playing on PP2 next season but saying that either one of them will play that low in the lineup is disingenuous.

Wainwright will be a massive part of their top six, likely will play a big role on the PK, and get PP time. Young will be their #2 d-man behind Fischer, likely will average between 22-25 minutes a game, and play on both special teams units. There's no guarantee that either one of them would get that type of treatment right away in the NCAA.

They'd have to gain the trust of a new coaching staff and be competing with highly skilled players there too. There are two NHL draft picks (Christian Humphreys in Kitchener and Noah Powell in Oshawa) who recently came to the OHL because they were getting minimal opportunity in the NCAA.

Here's the question for Wainwright and Young, would you rather play in a younger league (18 yrs old is about the average age of the OHL) and put up big numbers or go to a new leauge that is considerably older (21-22 yrs old is about the average age of the NCAA) and work their way up the depth chart again. In addition, you'd have familiarty with coaches and teammates in the OHL while you'd have to form new relationships if you go to the NCAA. 95% of good players are going to pick option one.

I'll believe the GM who gets to talk to his players and has a relationship with them

 

[stinger94]

Does stingupdates sleep ???

Completely agree though, getting those two guys back next year as OAs would be massive, so integral to this team.

I don’t know if I agree with them getting minimal ice time or roles in NCAA though, they are both high skill guys and Wainwright especially has a skillset a college coach will love IMO.