Sarnia Sting 2024 - 25 Season Thread, Part II

[davewheeler]

Don't think this changes anything, looks like Haley is the scape goat for now. LETANG has everyone RIP the line believing his bullshit. There are coaches ans then there are Fake coaches I feel we saw it from letang in playoffs against london and world jrs he is fake coach.
I still would be ok with 2 proven Ast that put pressure on Letang to turn everything 180°

Agree with this, however, this is only the first step in 'cleaning house' in my opinion its rare and hard to fire the entire coaching staff, mid season. I don't think I have ever heard of that happening. Sarnia would look soooo bad if they fired Jeffries now only 1 year in.... If Sarnia is looking for an entire coaching staff change, this is the way to do it.... one at a time. If Sarnia remains awful in Jan I wouldn't be shocked if Jeffries was shown the door. Then the big decision is made in the off-season when you have the time and resources to see who is out there.

 

[StingUpdates]

Yah I never expected a clean sweep. Just to much at one time mid season. But if they continue to lose into the Christmas break I'm not sure how Letang isn't let go. Especially with these 3 games being against 3 teams on your level.

I hope this was a stern warning from Legwand. Let go one of the assistants & tell Seca, Letang, Jeffrey that they could be next if this doesn't get turned around & that this is unacceptable. Yes they are rebuilding but what we've been watching isn't OK or something that is allowed to happen.

 

[frontsfan67]

A possible suitor would probably be the fronts. However if they’re asking for an 08- Kingston doesn’t have that. Another team could be Oshawa and they do have Brady smith.

 

[StingUpdates]

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A possible suitor would probably be the fronts. However if they’re asking for an 08- Kingston doesn’t have that. Another team could be Oshawa and they do have Brady smith.

I'm sure Hopkins would do lol.

Yah we'll see! Sarnia will need to be blown away to deal Fischer this year. As @davewheeler mentioned the other day we can't keep selling yr after yr. We'd still get a haul next TDL for him as well.

But I'll say if a team came calling & offered their '08 (or in ur case 1st rounder from '07) + two or three 2nds it would be awfully hard to pass up.

That would be a significant return to add to their U17 core.

 

[frontsfan67]

I'm sure Hopkins would do lol.

Yah we'll see! Sarnia will need to be blown away to deal Fischer this year. As @davewheeler mentioned the other day we can't keep selling yr after yr. We'd still get a haul next TDL for him as well.

But I'll say if a team came calling & offered their '08 (or in ur case 1st rounder from '07) + two or three 2nds it would be awfully hard to pass up.

That would be a significant return to add to their U17 core.

That’s why I’m saying Oshawa too. All depends on the stings preference. They have a lot of young up and coming guys- they could sell him for a Jorian Donovan return and use those picks in the coming years to build rather than getting another young player and trying to cram them in with everyone else.

If it’s picks I think kingston will be the team they deal to, if it’s another young forward they want and picks but not as many- Oshawa is that team probably. Brantford could be another that is in a 2 year cycle, same with Mississauga but they don’t have an 08 either and their only good piece would be karmiris and he is an 06.

For obvious reasons though Hopkins is definitely off the table. Have heard multiple people say the same thing about him. Not sure about Griffin though on Oshawa.

One team I definitely don’t see him going to is Barrie as their top 4 is completely stacked and bringing in another top d man would complicate things. However if they dangle PV94 the sting will take that deal right away.

 

[davewheeler]

I'm sure Hopkins would do lol.

Yah we'll see! Sarnia will need to be blown away to deal Fischer this year. As @davewheeler mentioned the other day we can't keep selling yr after yr. We'd still get a haul next TDL for him as well.

But I'll say if a team came calling & offered their '08 (or in ur case 1st rounder from '07) + two or three 2nds it would be awfully hard to pass up.

That would be a significant return to add to their U17 core.

It's a tough call ... Trading their newly named captain 6 month into it would be such a Sting move..... In my mind Sarnia was suppose to be good next year... obviously that wont be the case. So now were looking 2-3 years down the road... Trade Fischer and were potentially looking at 3 straight years in the Lottery which, in our pathetic putrid history, has never happened. We have never missed the playoffs 3 straight years.... It's just so painful because attendance will go down .. If they trade him they better be ready for a half empty arena for a year and a half.

 

[frontsfan67]

It's a tough call ... Trading their newly named captain 6 month into it would be such a Sting move..... In my mind Sarnia was suppose to be good next year... obviously that wont be the case. So now were looking 2-3 years down the road... Trade Fischer and were potentially looking at 3 straight years in the Lottery which, in our pathetic putrid history, has never happened. We have never missed the playoffs 3 straight years.... It's just so painful because attendance will go down .. If they trade him they better be ready for a half empty arena for a year and a half.

IMO next year is a building block year. Year after is probably the one to go for it and when the billion picks would be very helpful.

 

[StingUpdates]

I'd be lying if my hopes for next yr haven't absolutely sunk. They've been so bad so far that it's hard to envision them just turning it around to being legitimately good. U17s struggling. Losing three solid OAs.

Then obviously the fear Kostuch may be done which would be devastating.

Had u asked me 19 games ago about it I would've said no chance without hesitation about trading Fischer. But now I'm definitely open to it because the whole plan might have to be pushed back a yr.

 

[HkyBeegs3]

It's a tough call ... Trading their newly named captain 6 month into it would be such a Sting move..... In my mind Sarnia was suppose to be good next year... obviously that wont be the case. So now were looking 2-3 years down the road... Trade Fischer and were potentially looking at 3 straight years in the Lottery which, in our pathetic putrid history, has never happened. We have never missed the playoffs 3 straight years.... It's just so painful because attendance will go down .. If they trade him they better be ready for a half empty arena for a year and a half.

Putrid is a good word for this franchise, disappointing, over-rated, underwhelming and uninspired are some other words that go hand in hand with this franchise also.
We need coaches with a long track record of success and development Who on here really has any faith in management? I don't really trust and decision they make when it comes to hires or fires. Sarnia loves the convenient and cheap hire, these ex player coaching hires have been horrible. This franchise hurts my brain.

 

[davewheeler]

IMO next year is a building block year. Year after is probably the one to go for it and when the billion picks would be very helpful.

For sure... but do I have any confidence that this organization/coaches can develop young players.... NO. ... I look at next years team and you've gotta pray that Edwards and Di lorio take that step which brown and many guys didn't... I look at next years team and still wonder who's gonna score goals and stop them.

Putrid is a good word for this franchise, disappointing, over-rated, underwhelming and uninspired are some other words that go hand in hand with this franchise also.
We need coaches with a long track record of success and development Who on here really has any faith in management? I don't really trust and decision they make when it comes to hires or fires. Sarnia loves the convenient and cheap hire, these ex player coaching hires have been horrible. This franchise hurts my brain.

For once id like to see them do something bold.... Ex Kitchener. They went to Europe and paid a guy a butt load... I forget their coaches name its like Alkonen or something... do that. I remember saying years ago Buzz should have hired Cam Abbott but no they went with cheap unproven Letang.

 

[HkyBeegs3]

I'd be lying if my hopes for next yr haven't absolutely sunk. They've been so bad so far that it's hard to envision them just turning it around to being legitimately good. U17s struggling. Losing three solid OAs.

Then obviously the fear Kostuch may be done which would be devastating.

Had u asked me 19 games ago about it I would've said no chance without hesitation about trading Fischer. But now I'm definitely open to it because the whole plan might have to be pushed back a yr.

Gotta trade anyone that isn't named edwards brown or diorio. start over...again. this ain't working. also, not even sure if browns worth keeping

For sure... but do I have any confidence that this organization/coaches can develop young players.... NO. ... I look at next years team and you've gotta pray that Edwards and Di lorio take that step which brown and many guys didn't... I look at next years team and still wonder who's gonna score goals and stop them.


For once id like to see them do something bold.... Ex Kitchener. They went to Europe and paid a guy a butt load... I forget their coaches name its like Alkonen or something... do that. I remember saying years ago Buzz should have hired Cam Abbott but no they went with cheap unproven Letang.

I agree, exhaust every resource in finding that next coach. THIS ISNT WORKING

 

[jink1187]

It's a tough call ... Trading their newly named captain 6 month into it would be such a Sting move..... In my mind Sarnia was suppose to be good next year... obviously that wont be the case. So now were looking 2-3 years down the road... Trade Fischer and were potentially looking at 3 straight years in the Lottery which, in our pathetic putrid history, has never happened. We have never missed the playoffs 3 straight years.... It's just so painful because attendance will go down .. If they trade him they better be ready for a half empty arena for a year and a half.

Why wouldn't they trade him? He's probably not coming back next year, and no chance we are doing anything this year! Would be terrible asset management to keep a guy for and extra 2 or 3 wins after the break. Probably one of the only tradeable assets they have going into the deadline.

 

[StingUpdates]

Ahokas is the KIT coach. Yah he's exceptional. He's going pro anytime he wants after these couple years in Kitchener. I'll cut the org some slack in the way of Letang was actually pretty highly regarded in the league. The Hunters like him a lot. Has won 2 or 3 golds being on Canada over the years. Of the guys available a few years ago he was pretty high on most lists.

But it's pretty remarkable that Sarnia hasn't hired a head coach that's gone onto be a pro coach in some capacity. They are here for a few seasons get fired/move on & stay in the Jr circuit or go to Europe. You'd think one time or another you'd find a gem HC who moves up to be an AHL head coach or an NHL assistant.

Fischer will be back next yr. Only gonna be 19. They'd get a great return for him. Look for when Gibson in SSM is dealt in the next 3 weeks. It would be similar to that. If he's dealt now you'd get even more which does make it a tough decision. For me I'd be asking for a crap ton. If a team pays up then you gotta heavily consider it. If no one does then fine, we keep our best player & captain who hopefully gets us some playoff experience this yr.

Legwand has a lot of USA connections. If they did a full on coaching search in the summer id be really intrigued to see who they'd pick.

 

[davewheeler]

Why wouldn't they trade him? He's probably not coming back next year, and no chance we are doing anything this year! Would be terrible asset management to keep a guy for and extra 2 or 3 wins after the break. Probably one of the only tradeable assets they have going into the deadline.

Fischer will be in the O next year. Lol I was the first person to suggest trading him but my opinion has since changed....You need veteran leadership I dont care how young and talented you are. Sarnia can't be stuck in this cycle of trading every good player once they have reached year 3 in return for 16 year olds.... what going to happen next year when they suck again and what if Di Lorio and Edwards struggle to carry the team like Brown this year .... Jr hockey isn't meant to be a wheeling and dealing league... it's meant to be a development league and I hate that it's become what it has. Every team is either all in or all out meanwhile LDN just chills with the teams they have and continually win. The proper cycle in Jr hockey is to have a strong group of older guys mixed with young dynamic talent... old guys carry the load while the young guys progress and get better... old guys move on young guys become older and carry the load. Then when you have a great team you make a few tweaks with trades... enough of this trading the farm for 1 year bs. If you continually expose young players to losing that is not a good thing. Who would be the leadership group next year without Fisher lol like I dont even know. All that being said im not full against trading Fischer for me its 50/50. I can see both arguments.

 

[frontsfan67]

Fischer will be in the O next year. Lol I was the first person to suggest trading him but my opinion has since changed....You need veteran leadership I dont care how young and talented you are. Sarnia can't be stuck in this cycle of trading every good player once they have reached year 3 in return for 16 year olds.... what going to happen next year when they suck again and what if Di Lorio and Edwards struggle to carry the team like Brown this year .... Jr hockey isn't meant to be a wheeling and dealing league... it's meant to be a development league and I hate that it's become what it has. Every team is either all in or all out meanwhile LDN just chills with the teams they have and continually win. The proper cycle in Jr hockey is to have a strong group of older guys mixed with young dynamic talent... old guys carry the load while the young guys progress and get better... old guys move on young guys become older and carry the load. Then when you have a great team you make a few tweaks with trades... enough of this trading the farm for 1 year bs. If you continually expose young players to losing that is not a good thing. All that being said im not full against trading Fischer for me its 50/50. I can see both arguments.

I agree they have to have some. I recommend trading 1 of Fischer/Young and keep the other for the rest of the year and flip the other at next deadline. Trading one of those 2 and 1 of Barr/Bridgewater gets some more time which will be crucial for their development

Me personally I’d flip fischer this year as an 18 year old top d will get FAR more for 1.5 years out of them opposed to just half a year. Trade young next year who should be one of the top OA d by then and you should still get a good pick package on top of all the picks and potentially a player you receive at this deadline and push the chips in for Di Orio, Edwards 18 year old years and Browns 19 year old year.

Then you would have both likely the year after that you can trade and start the rebuild/retool all over again.

Only thing is however with that- I’d be worried about losing Edwards to the NCAA at 19. Already played a year in America for his OHL draft year- what’s the odds he would go back over again?

 

[davewheeler]

I agree they have to have some. I recommend trading 1 of Fischer/Young and keep the other for the rest of the year and flip the other at next deadline. Trading one of those 2 and 1 of Barr/Bridgewater gets some more time which will be crucial for their development

Me personally I’d flip fischer this year as an 18 year old top d will get FAR more for 1.5 years out of them opposed to just half a year. Trade young next year who should be one of the top OA d by then and you should still get a good pick package on top of all the picks and potentially a player you receive at this deadline and push the chips in for Di Orio, Edwards 18 year old years and Browns 19 year old year.

Then you would have both likely the year after that you can trade and start the rebuild/retool all over again.

Only thing is however with that- I’d be worried about losing Edwards to the NCAA at 19. Already played a year in America for his OHL draft year- what’s the odds he would go back over again?

I dont know what the NCAA rule is. I thought it was only after your're done with the O... 21... you can go NCAA? ... If players can leave the O at anytime for NCAA that's a huge blow the the O.

Id much prefer if there was never a moving the chips all in scenario... we've seen that before and it's what got us in this mess... I'd like to see consistent teams making it to rounds 2-3... Sarnia has had far too many rebuilding phases the last while and it's so painful to watch.... Sarnia has actually failed miserably when they have gone all in... Losing in rd1 when they got Koneckny... the Kyrou year.. and 2 years ago. I don't know tho man im just very disappointed in this organization because I feel like whatever they choose to do they will fail at it.

 

[HkyBeegs3]

Fischer will be in the O next year. Lol I was the first person to suggest trading him but my opinion has since changed....You need veteran leadership I dont care how young and talented you are. Sarnia can't be stuck in this cycle of trading every good player once they have reached year 3 in return for 16 year olds.... what going to happen next year when they suck again and what if Di Lorio and Edwards struggle to carry the team like Brown this year .... Jr hockey isn't meant to be a wheeling and dealing league... it's meant to be a development league and I hate that it's become what it has. Every team is either all in or all out meanwhile LDN just chills with the teams they have and continually win. The proper cycle in Jr hockey is to have a strong group of older guys mixed with young dynamic talent... old guys carry the load while the young guys progress and get better... old guys move on young guys become older and carry the load. Then when you have a great team you make a few tweaks with trades... enough of this trading the farm for 1 year bs. If you continually expose young players to losing that is not a good thing. Who would be the leadership group next year without Fisher lol like I dont even know. All that being said im not full against trading Fischer for me its 50/50. I can see both arguments.

Dave, you should've applied for the gm job before seca

 

[frontsfan67]

I dont know what the NCAA rule is. I thought it was only after your're done with the O... 21... you can go NCAA? ... If players can leave the O at anytime for NCAA that's a huge blow the the O.

Id much prefer if there was never a moving the chips all in scenario... we've seen that before and it's what got us in this mess... I'd like to see consistent teams making it to rounds 2-3... Sarnia has had far too many rebuilding phases the last while and it's so painful to watch.... Sarnia has actually failed miserably when they have gone all in... Losing in rd1 when they got Koneckny... the Kyrou year.. and 2 years ago. I don't know tho man im just very disappointed in this organization.

I believe they can go at 18 (Most players dy+1)IF they haven’t signed their ELC but not 100% sure of that.

If they have the late birthday like Martone/aitcheson for instance I think they can leave their draft year but again- not 100% sure about that either.

Would be nice if the OHL put out a memo about all the rules regarding that so fans could have a better understanding.

 

[davewheeler]

Dave, you should've applied for the gm job before seca

Well I have zero experience and played hockey in Sarnia so thats right on par with the Stings hiring expectations.

 

[stingwagoner]

Only way to see change is new direction meaning Letang and Jefferies gone now this Haley as the scape goat is going to change nothing. He wasnr even D coach more of a forward coach.

 

[StingUpdates]

Only way to see change is new direction meaning Letang and Jefferies gone now this Haley as the scape goat is going to change nothing. He wasnr even D coach more of a forward coach.

Issue was he came in as a F coach and switched to D when Sullivan left

That moment right there the Sting blew it. They should've hired a D coach..not Jeffries.

That goes on Seca or Letang..whichever one made that decision set the staff back. Not only did u hire someone with 0 experience to run the Fs/PP, u then moved someone with 1 yr of F/PP experience to D/PK coach where he's totally out of his depth.

I remember when they hired Jefferies Letang mentioned he knew him & thought highly of him which makes me believe he threw his name out to be hired. If that's how it went down this is all entirely on Letang. Hiring crap assistants which also makes his job harder & makes him look worse. No clue why you wouldn't want stable, smart, experienced assistants to help you. Even Hatcher had Barrett as an assistant.

 

[SarniaStingFan]

Happy to see some sort of change be made. It had to be done with the amount of breakdowns we were having on defence and the PK through this rough 20 game stretch. I agree that it needs a veteran assistant. I get the feeling that we may see someone who has more of a connection to Legwand after the way the last few Letang hires have gone.

On the possible Fischer trade: they'd be stupid not to look at what's out there. I can't see them doing it unless it was two good young players ('07 and an '08) and picks coming back. I think they need to keep him for his veteran leadership to this young group. We've seen how things have gone without him in the lineup. Look at trading him next season if you can't make a run. He'll be one of the top d-men in the league and would likely still get you a player and picks. Ultimately, players need to experience winning in order to become a winning team and they won't do much winning without Fischer this season

 

[StingUpdates]

This week is the biggest of the season. Starts with Flint who they've played four 1 goal games with already. Hopefully Di Iorio & Young are back. Be two huge boosts to the team.

Need to see urgency & desperation all night. Gotta right this ship & this is the week to do it vs FLT OS SSM.

Somehow with a win they'd be tied w/Flint for 7th & be 2 back of SSM even with the 2-17 stretch.

 

[stingwagoner]

Can someone tell me what will happen after stretch of next 10 games.

Flint OS Soo kit London sag London london Bulldogs OS

Going into trade deadline.
Will changes be made? Will jefferies be gone? Should have been 1st one gone with that pp he has going.

Winning 5 games would be a great run
Could it happen at this point of dysfunction?

 

[JAMER]

This week is the biggest of the season. Starts with Flint who they've played four 1 goal games with already. Hopefully Di Iorio & Young are back. Be two huge boosts to the team.

Need to see urgency & desperation all night. Gotta right this ship & this is the week to do it vs FLT OS SSM.

Somehow with a win they'd be tied w/Flint for 7th & be 2 back of SSM even with the 2-17 stretch.

But they also have 3 games in hand on us.