Sarnia Sting 2024 - 25 Season Thread, Part II

Section5Petes

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Johnston gone. For late pick hearing close to home for him
IF this is to Peterborough for a late pick then I think this would be alright. Worth the gamble on a hometown kid who could add to the '05 cohort and next years OA group. Now, does "close to home" mean home in PBO, or is it just within a couple hours radius of home... I guess time will tell!
 

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IF this is to Peterborough for a late pick then I think this would be alright. Worth the gamble on a hometown kid who could add to the '05 cohort and next years OA group. Now, does "close to home" mean home in PBO, or is it just within a couple hours radius of home... I guess time will tell!
I’m betting my money on Oshawa or Kingston. Unless they view him as a lock for a OA spot next year they probably won’t bring him in to take ice time from other younger guys
 
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I’m betting my money on Oshawa or Kingston. Unless they view him as a lock for a OA spot next year they probably won’t bring him in to take ice time from other younger guys
Those are the two teams that my mind went to as well with that wording of close to home. Would be good depth for playoff teams
 
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Sarnia hires David Matsos as the new assistant coach. He played in the OHL in the 90s. Coached in Europe for a few years before returning to Canada where he was an assistant with Windsor for 3 years then went to SBY for 2 years as an assistant before being the HC for 2 years.

Spent 3 years in Hamilton, 2 as an assistant and 1 as HC. Won the OHL as an assistant. Since he's been coaching in Jr B. HC for London for 2 years then St Thomas the last 2.

In an interview when Hamilton hired him he said he ran the D & PK in previous spots and that was his responsibility in Hamilton when they won.

So he's definitely been around! Lol.

Seca says about the hiring - David is an experienced coach in the OHL. He’s won an OHL championship with Hamilton, been a head coach in Sudbury with the Wolves and has a proven track record of player development. David is also a great communicator and someone the players will truly gravitate towards. I believe he will be a great fit to our current staff as well.

I don't love that he bounces around so much, but could also just be a victim of circumstances. Windsor had just come off Mem cup runs so had a major rebuild. Sudbury wasn't run very well in the 2010s.

Seems like he's really well liked as an assistant but maybe isn't as good as the head coach.

Hopefully is a solid hire!
 
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Funny enough Saginaw just signed a Dman today & in the press release they thank St Thomas (where Matsos was HC) for his development/improvements.
 

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Matsos was a Very defensive forward and he was a PK specialist.
2 areas which will help but this syring team desperately needs a D coach and PP specialist
 

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He was the D coach when Hamilton won the OHL. Just found this out, but Oshawa actually hired him/was going to a few years ago but he had to step down/not accept due to health reasons im guessing as he had a health scare while on the bench a few years back.

Not that it means a ton, but I do like seeing that Windsor, Hamilton & Oshawa are 3 teams who liked him/hired him. Those are some marquee franchises so he must get good reviews from his previous spots.

I'm just glad it's not a former Sting guy & it's someone who has legit experience & a track record. Those were musts to me.
 

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GA/PK numbers for teams that Matsos has coached in the OHL

2010-2011 (assistant coach in Windsor) - 247 GA (11th), 80.7% on PK (8th)
2011-2012 (assistant coach in Windsor) - 258 GA (15th), 77.3% on PK (17th)
2012-2013 (assistant coach in Windsor) - 278 GA (18th), 79.4% on PK (10th)
2013-2014 (assistant coach in Sudbury) - 228 GA (8th), 77.1% on PK (11th)
2014-2015 (associate coach/interim head coach in Sudbury) - 323 GA (20th), 77.4% (13th)
2015-2016 (head coach in Sudbury) - 328 GA (20th), 78.7% on PK (16th)
2016-2017 (head coach in Sudbury) - 265 GA (15th), 81.7% on PK (6th)
2017-2018 (associate coach in Hamilton) - 207 GA (3rd), 77.1% on PK (16th)
2018-2019 (head coach in Hamilton) - 283 GA (16th), 76.7% on PK (16th)
2019-2020 (associate coach in Hamilton) - 267 GA (16th), 76% on PK (16th)

He has 10 seasons of experience and has been a part of a coaching staff that won an OHL championship which is good. However, when you go through the numbers they aren't great. Definitely better when he's an assistant compared to when he's been a head coach. He hasn't coached a ton of pro d-men but did help out in Ryan Ellis' development in Windsor in 2010-2011. I understand that this is a midseason hire so it makes it more difficult but I'm lukewarm on this one
 

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GA/PK numbers for teams that Matsos has coached in the OHL

2010-2011 (assistant coach in Windsor) - 247 GA (11th), 80.7% on PK (8th)
2011-2012 (assistant coach in Windsor) - 258 GA (15th), 77.3% on PK (17th)
2012-2013 (assistant coach in Windsor) - 278 GA (18th), 79.4% on PK (10th)
2013-2014 (assistant coach in Sudbury) - 228 GA (8th), 77.1% on PK (11th)
2014-2015 (associate coach/interim head coach in Sudbury) - 323 GA (20th), 77.4% (13th)
2015-2016 (head coach in Sudbury) - 328 GA (20th), 78.7% on PK (16th)
2016-2017 (head coach in Sudbury) - 265 GA (15th), 81.7% on PK (6th)
2017-2018 (associate coach in Hamilton) - 207 GA (3rd), 77.1% on PK (16th)
2018-2019 (head coach in Hamilton) - 283 GA (16th), 76.7% on PK (16th)
2019-2020 (associate coach in Hamilton) - 267 GA (16th), 76% on PK (16th)

He has 10 seasons of experience and has been a part of a coaching staff that won an OHL championship which is good. However, when you go through the numbers they aren't great. Definitely better when he's an assistant compared to when he's been a head coach. He hasn't coached a ton of pro d-men but did help out in Ryan Ellis' development in Windsor in 2010-2011. I understand that this is a midseason hire so it makes it more difficult but I'm lukewarm on this one
To be fair to him he hasn't had much luck with being on teams who are good. He came on in WSR & SBY after those teams went for it, made trades to win & then joined Hamilton as they were going for it so he was left with a rebuilding team.

His first yr with Sudbury they were a solid team that finished 5th, but the fall off was drastic. They were the worst roster in the OHL the next season only winning.... 12 games.

The next year was his 1st as HC in SBY but that roster was headlined by a 17 yr olds Sokolov & Michael Pezzetta + 16 yr old Michael Levin. Was a very bad roster.

2nd yr as HC they improved finishing 6th. 2nd best PK in the conference. 6th in league. Lost in 6 in round 1, but the PK was 92% in playoffs.

Don't like that Hamilton's PK struggled with him in charge when they won the league in 17-18, but he ran the D & they allowed the 2nd lowest goals in the league on their way to winning which is nice to see.

After winning as most do the roster took a big step back the next 2 years in HAM.

But definitely fair points. Hopefully he's continued learning & adjusting the last 4 seasons in JR B + the PK has been pretty good under Letang so maybe he'll continue having a strong input in that.

They didn't say but wonder if there was term on the contract. I imagine it's more than 3 months, but wonder if its 3-4 seasons, or just this yr & next. As you said too, probably not a ton of options mid season to be an assistant.
 

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For a team that needs some changes we seem to be very quiet this far in the last 4 days of trading
Thought we would have been tweaking lineup up and down
 

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For a team that needs some changes we seem to be very quiet this far in the last 4 days of trading
Thought we would have been tweaking lineup up and down
This is what I was worried about. We desperately need picks if we want to do anything in the next 2 years. It's also sounds like SAG may be selling now. So why aren't we SAGS 5th with 3 games in hand on us. We are only 3pts ahead of the SOO who are in 8th and they have 3 games in hand on us.

We need to sell and get picks. Are current picks for next 4 years.

4x2nds. No 2nd next year

3x3rds. No 3rd this year.

3x4ths and 4x5ths.

We need to sell while prices are high. We need to stop this typical Sting crap of not selling when we should. Yes it will suck the rest of the year but it will benefit us long term.
 

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This is what I was worried about. We desperately need picks if we want to do anything in the next 2 years. It's also sounds like SAG may be selling now. So why aren't we SAGS 5th with 3 games in hand on us. We are only 3pts ahead of the SOO who are in 8th and they have 3 games in hand on us.

We need to sell and get picks. Are current picks for next 4 years.

4x2nds. No 2nd next year

3x3rds. No 3rd this year.

3x4ths and 4x5ths.

We need to sell while prices are high. We need to stop this typical Sting crap of not selling when we should. Yes it will suck the rest of the year but it will benefit us long term.
Prices are not nearly as high as one would have expected, given the last 2 trades. Extremely light returns for NB and the Soo seems to be the consensus.
 

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