Confirmed with Link: Sanford traded

[kimzey59]

if he's hired as Hulls drink holder, he better start working out ASAP

not sure that's a 1 man staff position

He'll be fine.
He's had the position before.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

He'll be fine.
He's had the position before.

I know when he was still playing here, Chase was his babysitter lol

 

[Daley Tarasenkshow]

I like this trade.

Sanford will be 27 in Novemeber, and had countless chances playing with ROR and other top Blues players. He may succeed in Ottawa but he had his chance here and never became anything close to being special.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

I like this trade.

Sanford will be 27 in Novemeber, and had countless chances playing with ROR and other top Blues players. He may succeed in Ottawa but he had his chance here and never became anything close to being special.

agree.. waiting on him to 'break out' or 'put it together' has passed. he is what he is

 

[shpongle falls]

I’m all in on this trade, hopefully working with Chief will turn Brown into an effective player.

 

[Frank8]

Sens fan here. IMO the Sens bear some responsibility for Logan's poor development. Bigger players take 300-400 games to breakout, he's played 30 games over four seasons averaging 11 mins a game. If you look at his 2019-20 season, his TOI often decreased in games after he registered a point which is puzzling because he was starting to show real flashes, especially some good work on the PP and chemistry with guys like Brady and Duclair. Equally puzzling was how quick the Sens were to demote him. To Logan's credit, he didn't let it affect his AHL play, he finished the season scoring over a point per game.
From the Sens perspective, Brown can appear slow and disinterested at times. Even in today's scrimmage, despite assisting on the GWG, (and perhaps knowing he was about to be traded?), he didn't look very engaged. Instead of working with him to figure out his issues in the NHL, they've been quick to demote him which I can only imagine has been very demoralising after four years. He's routinely the best player in Belleville and he's had to watch his teammates get promoted over him year after year and given a longer leash once they're in the NHL. Go watch Batherson, Norris or Brannstrom highlights from their time in Belleville, it's Logan passing them the puck.
A lot of Sens fans will say "so what, he has to earn it". Maybe, but there's no denying his been on an unusually short leash. A contributing factor has no doubt been his dad, a former player, and his agent trying to push the Sens to get him more playing time and openly expressing their disappointment with the organisation. Logan's Dad recently tweeted a negative response to Pierre McGuire being hired. An understandable response for some but it didn't win Logan any fans with the Sens brass.
Injuries have also helped derail Logan's progress, every time he gets going he seems to get hurt. This could have to do with his freakish size.
IMO if Logan is going to thrive, and I think he can, he needs to be put in a position to succeed. A healthy dose of Ted Lasso style positive reinforcement would go a long way as would some meaningful games and minutes. Be good to him!

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

If you look at this as a trade to open up a spot for Kostin on the 23-man roster, AND if Kostin outperforms Sanford this year, then this trade is a win regardless of how/where Brown plays. I wish, with his size, Brown was a more active net-front presence, but he seems to be a little more in the Tage Thompson mold of big-man. If we can convince him to play in that net front role instead at least some of the time, I see a very obvious spot for him on this team (Pat Maroon lite). Ideally, he works on those skills in Springfield this year, we get an extra pick out of the deal, and he steps into the 23-man next year. And Kostin shows he’s worthy of holding down a full-time spot in STL.

 

[greybush314]

O'Reilly/Thomas/Tarasenko --ROR takes faceoffs

Kyrou/Schenn/Buchnevich

Saad/Brown/Perron

Barbashev/Bozak/Kostin

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

If you look at this as a trade to open up a spot for Kostin on the 23-man roster, AND if Kostin outperforms Sanford this year, then this trade is a win regardless of how/where Brown plays. I wish, with his size, Brown was a more active net-front presence, but he seems to be a little more in the Tage Thompson mold of big-man. If we can convince him to play in that net front role instead at least some of the time, I see a very obvious spot for him on this team (Pat Maroon lite). Ideally, he works on those skills in Springfield this year, we get an extra pick out of the deal, and he steps into the 23-man next year. And Kostin shows he’s worthy of holding down a full-time spot in STL.

Logan doesn't need to be in Springfield (and we risk losing him on waivers if we try to send him down). He's spent most of last 3 years in AHL. He's actually a year older than Kostin. Time for him to show he is an NHL player.

 

[Ranksu]

I just understood how big he really is 198cm and over 100kg and his youth team was St Louis Blues AAA.

 

[ottawah]

The larger issue I had with Brown is he is the the type of player that has to be your first line center, maybe second if you have really good wingers, to be effective. He has not shown that he is close to being effective in an energy, checking, or defensive role. And he does not score goals. So unless he is playing with top flight wingers, his main talent, passing and vision, go to waste. But whether he really has that talent to be a top line center in the NHL is in question.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Interesting that we traded for Brown's dad when he was 23 too. Jeff already had 170 points in the NHL, which Logan will have lots of work to do to ever match.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

The larger issue I had with Brown is he is the the type of player that has to be your first line center, maybe second if you have really good wingers, to be effective. He has not shown that he is close to being effective in an energy, checking, or defensive role. And he does not score goals. So unless he is playing with top flight wingers, his main talent, passing and vision, go to waste. But whether he really has that talent to be a top line center in the NHL is in question.

Has he played much on the wing? If he is gonna get top 6 time with Blues that seems like more plausible path.

 

[ottawah]

Has he played much on the wing? If he is gonna get top 6 time with Blues that seems like more plausible path.

He really has only been a center here. And puck controlling passers who do not score and are poor skaters is not exactly a formula for success on the wing.

Ottawa really desperately needs a number 1 center. Depth wise they are OK, but without that number 1 center, everyone moves up a spot and its not ideal. We all hoped Brown could be that player, but he was never able to play well enough to justify it. 3 goals and 25 points per 82 games in very sheltered minutes (~ 13 minutes/game) just was not enough.

That all said, he has been hurt quite a bit and that has not helped. Flip side is expect him to be hurt quite a bit ......

 

[Xerloris]

IMO, we lost a good player with some serious upside potential...but I'm in the minority on this and there is no looking back.

nah, he has tons of potential and he's a good player but his mental weakness is what brings him down. He's like the guy that relies on skill to make the NHL and decides he doesn't need work ethic.

 

[Mike Liut]

Bringing Brown into the Blues system might be what he needs. A team with cup aspirations, a hard nosed coach and plenty of 2-way players who play relentless hockey. He could excel here.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

He really has only been a center here. And puck controlling passers who do not score and are poor skaters is not exactly a formula for success on the wing...

To be fair, that's not exactly a formula for success at center either.

 

[Bluesnatic27]

I always though Logan Brown was an overrated prospect that had the talent to be good but lacked the drive to play a style of game that could utilize his talents. Pundits hyped him up because of his size and skill without ever diving into whether his skill was good enough to play the way he does. He wants to play the game like Nathan MacKinnon without the necessary talent to pull it off. And from what I saw in the few AHL clips I saw from this past year, he hasn't changed. For as much I dislike Sanford, I dislike Brown even more.

If Brown can be as good as Sanford, then we should consider ourselves fortunate. However, the trade wasn't for getting Brown as much as making enough room salary wise to fit the roster in. So I don't think the trade is bad.

 

[Robb_K]

Good question.

He's either a mid line PF who can score 15ish goals and 30ish points OR he's bambi on ice and doesn't belong in the NHL.
And there's really no middle ground to be found there.

Armstrong is clearing forward line space for Kostin, and, at the same time, hoping that Berube's coaching can get rid of Brown's timid and lazy play. I hope Kostin can play well enough to live up to Armstrong's hunch and mild confidence. IF Brown changes the way he plays to Berube's style that's an extra bonus.

 

[Bluesnatic27]

I like this trade.

Sanford will be 27 in Novemeber, and had countless chances playing with ROR and other top Blues players. He may succeed in Ottawa but he had his chance here and never became anything close to being special.

Agreed.

I don't understand this talk of Sanford's potential when he is as old as he is and has almost played 200 games in the NHL with a talented roster.

 

[ezcreepin]

You could make the case that the Blues should have just taken a 2nd rounder or something for Sanford, but an asset like Brown isn't awful. I really doubt Brown makes the team and I see a realistic scenario where he's either lost to waivers or clears and plays in the AHL because he's just sitting. I'll happily eat crow on that one, but he just seems like a typically naive player with tons of talent that doesn't want to put the hard work into his playing (a la Washkurak). I hope he can find a gear here to be a nice addition to the bottom 6, but let's be honest with ourselves, it probably won't happen unless he has a major mental change.

As far as trading Sanford, I am of the belief that Kostin will more than fill Sanford's role and then some. Maybe not score 30 points in 56 games, but a nice year here with 20-ish points in 70 something games. His power forward play is what will really show it's value here, and I think he's decently skilled to show up Sanford. I hope Sanford can find a place in Ottawa, but even if he scores 50+ points, we were bound to trade him. Just too inconsistent and we're over the cap.

Edit: Over the cap with Sunny comes back***

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

You could make the case that the Blues should have just taken a 2nd rounder or something for Sanford, but an asset like Brown isn't awful. I really doubt Brown makes the team and I see a realistic scenario where he's either lost to waivers or clears and plays in the AHL because he's just sitting. I'll happily eat crow on that one, but he just seems like a typically naive player with tons of talent that doesn't want to put the hard work into his playing (a la Washkurak). I hope he can find a gear here to be a nice addition to the bottom 6, but let's be honest with ourselves, it probably won't happen unless he has a major mental change.

As far as trading Sanford, I am of the belief that Kostin will more than fill Sanford's role and then some. Maybe not score 30 points in 56 games, but a nice year here with 20-ish points in 70 something games. His power forward play is what will really show it's value here, and I think he's decently skilled to show up Sanford. I hope Sanford can find a place in Ottawa, but even if he scores 50+ points, we were bound to trade him. Just too inconsistent and we're over the cap.

Edit: Over the cap with Sunny comes back***

A 2nd for Sanford seems like wishful thinking. They've apparently been shopping him for a while.

 

[BrokenFace]

Sanford is a better player than Brown IMO.

This is a deal for the Blues to become cap compliant. If Sanford takes off in Ottawa, we can all blame Tarasenko for screwing up the payroll.

And if Brown takes off we can all thank Tarasenko for forcing this trade.

 

[ottawah]

To be fair, that's not exactly a formula for success at center either.

Unless you are really skilled.

I found him a bit like Joe Thorton for example in style. A touch like Backstrom perhaps. Henrik Sedin. But just not nearly as good.


You can succeed as that player, but you have to be uber talented. And if he was he'd already be in the NHL.

Maybe there is more there, I hope so. But junior to AHL to NHL, his game looks exactly the same at every level for near 10 years now. Very very few players can be successful in the NHL being the same player they were in junior, he is no exception, and many do not figure that out.

 

[AjaxManifesto]

And if Brown takes off we can all thank Tarasenko for forcing this trade.

Agreed