Proposal: Sandin-Pellikka for Cozens
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This method is working terrifically for Ottawa...
I'd much rather have Kasper and Danielson as my 2/3 options with ASP behind Seider than Cozens/Kasper/Danielson as my 2/3 options with the latest Jeff Petry/Justin Holl plug signing behind Seider because we have absolutely no RHD depth to speak of.
Beerz
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He is really the only dman in the org that can move the puck effectively besides seider and edvidsson and with that said he still isn't worth cozens
Worth to a team, honestly, is more dependent upon need versus objective value. What can be perceived as an objectively unequal value, could in fact be what both teams could need. But, in this case, the need for Detroit to build from the back end is more pressing than their need to fill a middle 6 center position.
Also, it's not like the Wings don't have a couple of players who may have equal or greater upside than Cozens in their pipeline in Danielson and Kasper. I don't get this trade idea from either side.
Yeah...personally, I think the player Detroit may be interested in, is Byram. Left-shot D on an expiring contract, but I think there are a couple of hold-ups with this. I think Detroit doesn't want him without an extension in place and Buffalo doesn't really see anyone on Detroit who immediately helps them get better or isn't just an aging veteran/cap dump.
Which is probably why there was a bunch of smoke, but no fire. I think the initial deal might have seen something like Byram w/extension for Holl or Chiarot + prospect + pick, but the longer that was on the table, the more Buffalo wasn't sure it would help them. So there might have been some other players mentioned (perhaps a Cozens, but I think that's just people trying to pick the low-hanging fruit of underperforming players) but it just hasn't coalesced into a deal that's workable between the two teams. And I just don't think that there is a good fit between the two teams.
If Albert Johansson was putting up better counting stats, I could have seen him as a viable piece. But his adjustment to the NHL, while noticeably (but slowly) improving, just isn't quite there for him to be used to persuade a team to part with a solid asset, such as Byram.
ETA: But, of course, if Johansson was doing that well, they probably wouldn't be looking at Byram. So there's that. LOL
I don't see Chiarot or Holl helping them at all so then it moves to which picks/prospects and that gets into places I don't think the Wings are going to be interested.
Exactly. Parting with too many future players, when your future depends on them, is shooting yourself in the foot. One prospect + pick + player is fine, but if the year is already a 50/50 write-off for Detroit, you're better off not going much further.
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Even if ASP is destined to be a bust it's a hard pass from Detroit, because his potential is very high and he's trending to be one of those highly offensive d-men if he works out. Also helps that he will be sheltered in those big defensive assignments given that it will go to Seider and Edvinsson. Cozens on the other hand seems like an average 2nd/3rd line player. He had that one year where he surpassed 60 points, but this is his 5th year and he hasn't done anything significant to tell me he's going to be an NHL star.
I'm just salty I agree ASP is a phenomenal prospect just a little bit salty cozens is getting underrated
Not sure why Detroit is ever adding a Top 10 prospect in the league to Kasper to acquire Cozens.
If he were still a 21 year old putting up close to 70 points, this could be argued. He's been a ~45 point middle six center, which is probably a modest projection for what Kasper becomes. You ain't getting ASP on top of that.
I like Cozens, but his play just isn't there to say that he is more than what he is. And it's hard to know what that is, outside of one really good year because he didn't back it up with another one, and this year looks a lot like last year. So in terms of evaluating a player, I tend to throw away any year that is an outlier (but I keep it in mind in terms of their potential/ceiling) as to where I see them fitting on a roster.
I'd hit that offer so fast I if were Buffalo's GM. Their season is going no where and this lands them the RHD they should be pairing with Power or Byram.
Then trade whichever of Power / Byram you don't keep for a better 2C than Cozens.
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Crazy in a good way or a bad way?
Is it really a good idea to have 4 young defensemen at similar age struggling and enduring growing pains together?
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Who’s the 4th guy in this hypothetical? I assume 2 are Power and Byram, but Dahlin has been a top 5-10 defenseman in the NHL over the past 3 seasons. He is absolutely not “struggling.”
You are right that we absolutely do not need another defenseman in the same mold of Power/Byram, but only because that’s shitty roster construction, and a problem that’s already hurting us as a team.
I understand where your coming from and the only feasible argument is trust me bro but trust me that player is still there it's just seems the whole 2nd line is playing out of chemistry and are always half a second behind the play and aren't reading off eachother properly.
haha. I totally understand your position and I believe he's more the Cozens of two years ago, versus the one from last year and this year. Just the numbers aren't there, yet.
And unfortunately that is what will bring his value down but if we can't package him for a fair deal in an ep40 trade more than happy to keep him it just sucks because I feel like when young centers are playing over their head switching to wing helps them get a bird's eye view of what's developing down low rather than constantly having to react and the problem is when you start playing defense reactively you lose the ability to be proactive and get the puck back and we don't have the centers to push cozens to wing. But any way I'll stand by that the trade is equal value in a vacuum but it would be teams trading from weaknesses for strengths as they have Kasper and Danielson along with Larkin having good years remaining
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I would’ve liked this deal for Detroit last year and I would like this deal for Buffalo this year.
The issue is you are selling high on ASP when Cozen’s value is at an all time low.
The issue is you are selling high on ASP when Cozen’s value is at an all time low.
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hurts to see a Wings fan made this
still wouldnt do it
i was thinking asp for mcdavid but i backed off
still wouldnt do it
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To me ASP should have higher value to Detroit than to Buffalo. He could probably take over the PP in Detroit over seider, but doubt he could take it from dahlin. That's probably his most valuable use.
With dahlin, power, and Byram, buffalo should be focusing on acquiring great defensive dmen for their 4-6 guys. Won't need to give up as high end assets for those guys or pay as much cap.
With dahlin, power, and Byram, buffalo should be focusing on acquiring great defensive dmen for their 4-6 guys. Won't need to give up as high end assets for those guys or pay as much cap.
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I didn't say you were a wings fan.I was alluding to how overrated prospects were they rarely hit their ceiling
Oh I agree I didn't say I would make the trade if I was Detroit. I just made a point how fan bases overrate their prospects
