Proposal: San Jose - Colorado

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

So? Saves 5,7M/season if they wont extend Granlund for another add. Clearly, Mittelstadt isnt working and looks lazy out there. I`m pretty confident Granny helps more 2-way than him.

I'm not even confident Mittelstadt would get claimed on waivers. He's not lazy he's just trash.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Middelstadt doesnt seem to do much for us. I would just take whatever picks instead

Us?! You’ve been posting heavily on the Sharks board.

 

[Grinner]

Us?! You’ve been posting heavily on the Sharks board.

A trade usually involves at least two parties.

 

[MileHIGHAvz]

Us?! You’ve been posting heavily on the Sharks board.

Yeah meaning Mitts wouldn’t do much for the Sharks. They would rather take draft picks for Granlund than receiving Mittelstadt back

 

[John Mandalorian]

Yeah meaning Mitts wouldn’t do much for the Sharks. They would rather take draft picks for Granlund than receiving Mittelstadt back

Cool. Thanks for clarifying. And honestly, don’t care. Keep Granlund. Buy a tombstone for him.

 

[bleuetbio]

Mittel sucks realy bad, but Avs could have better value

 

[ESH]

Mittel sucks realy bad, but Avs could have better value

Is he really that bad?

 

[bleuetbio]

Is he really that bad?

No but he cost us a lot, show us great things ans was realy a nice asset until mid november and then meh except for last night

 

[Forlan]

An interesting idea, but I'd prefer to trade Granlund for pure futures from a SJS perspective, not a fan of Middelstadt

As a Shark fan, I'm definitely against it. Granlund is an experienced player who helps a young group. If you're going to trade Mick, it's for the first round. There's absolutely no benefit from having Casey on the roster, just another unnecessary contract on the payroll. Let Colorado look for other candidates for Mittelstadt

 

[MileHIGHAvz]

Is he really that bad?

Yeah, he’s pretty downright awful. We are hurting for forward depth and he’s been healthy scratch worthy most of the season

 

[Murzu]

Wtf is this? Mittelstadt was/is in a slump. This is selling him at all time low value.

 

[hirawl]

Well constructed proposal which I think Avs would actually do. Sharks I'm not too sure about. Unless Granlund says he'll come back in the summer. Even in that case Mittelstadt is not exactly someone I'm seeing Grier wanting around their franchise youngsters. Even less so for 2 years at 5.75M.

 

[StlBigFly]

I think it works but it really would hinge on what Granlund would sign for.

The Avs challenge is not necessarily 2C/3C imo, it’s balancing the rest of the depth chart after paying MacKinnon, Rantanen next year, then Makar the next year after that. One could then also add a highly valuable middle 6 center but what money then exists for wingers.

Having a middle 6 center under 6 mil aav for the big name contract timeframe is helpful. You’d need granlund to be somewhat similar. I think an unbiased observer would suggest that you won’t be super strong in this area and that’s just kinda how that will be, barring some out performance or internal development.

It’s difficult to see what signed player could be acquired that is both better and cheaper. With the inflationary cap, it is harder to find players who’s pay will remain low.

FWIW in sympathize. The penalty for developing similarly aged talent is that it becomes increasingly difficult, the better the talent is, to build the team around them when they’re all 27+. I’d argue the Avs have a top 3 player in each role, so the system will punish very hard. It seems unfair. I’m a fan of a franchise tag situation that would allow teams to reduce the cap impact of a single star contributor; leads to market stability and allows teams to have great players without tragic cap structures, gives teams a tool to manipulate the cap ceiling.

 

[AvsGuy]

Avs didn't trade Byram for Mittelstadt just to dump Mittelstadt in the middle of his first full season with us. He's playing not great but he'll be given every opportunity to turn it around before we pay someone to take him lol

He's also clearly insanely talented, and has the ability to play much less softly than he has so far. He's a fantastic playmaker and I highly the doubt the Avs are even looking to move on from him yet

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I think I’d prefer the Sharks to take a more picks or prospects based trade for Granlund over Mittelstadt. The Sharks already have Will Smith that they currently want to be a 2C of the future and their most likely draft pick options in 2025 include Hagens and Misa as potential 2C’s also. And if there needs to be a transition center, the Sharks have Wennberg and there’s going to be other external options. The Sharks have limited opportunities to get extra future assets and can’t afford to pass up on them for decent short term players.

 

[Murzu]

I legit don't understand evaluations in this thread. Granlund is worth late 1st/2nd+prospect. Mittelstadt hasn't destroyed his value this badly, at least not yet.

 

[tucker3434]

I get where the OP is coming from. I just don’t think the Avs are going to cut Mittelstadt loose that quickly. Kadri was a little up and down in Colorado prior to putting up 87 points in 2021-22. While I’m not expecting that kind of pop, Mittelstadt is a talented player. I think he’ll get back to that 60-70 point pace he’s capable of, which is exactly what we need at the 2C spot.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Avs didn't trade Byram for Mittelstadt just to dump Mittelstadt in the middle of his first full season with us. He's playing not great but he'll be given every opportunity to turn it around before we pay someone to take him lol

He's also clearly insanely talented, and has the ability to play much less softly than he has so far. He's a fantastic playmaker and I highly the doubt the Avs are even looking to move on from him yet

Sunk cost fallacy isn’t a good reason to stick with him. He needs to start performing. Hopefully there’s some chemistry in that line that continues (and is swallowed to continue).

But they can’t afford to squander a season waiting and hoping he pulls out of nosedives.