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Prospect Info: Sam Rinzel D Chaska High School-Minnesota 25th overall

Kevin Musto said:
I don't get why everyone is so sold on Frondell at center

His own club certainly isn't
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Leo Carlsson and Elias Pettersson played on the wing before they came over. It’s just how it works in Sweden. The SHL and Hockeyallsvenskan aren’t primarily developmental leagues so it’s pretty common to shelter the younger players and putting them on the wing.
 
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Rinzel still looks a little thin and lanky to me but supposedly he packed on some pounds since last season and based on his frame he can probably pack on some more over the next couple years. If he can get to 210-215 and not lose his mobility/agility - he is going to be a monster on both sides of the puck. His skating and puck handling are already very good at being fast and elusive - imagine when he can also power through people.
 
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eklund2chicago said:
Leo Carlsson and Elias Pettersson played on the wing before they came over. It’s just how it works in Sweden. The SHL and Hockeyallsvenskan aren’t primarily developmental leagues so it’s pretty common to shelter the younger players and putting them on the wing.
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How does Frondell stack up to Carlsson and EP in their draft year?
 
Toews2Bickell said:
How does Frondell stack up to Carlsson and EP in their draft year?
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Kind of hard to compare. Leo excelled in a smaller role in the SHL and became better as the season went on, kind of like Frondell but in a better league. Although, both Leo and EP were a year older than Frondell during their respective draft years so it’s not an ideal comparison. EP produced at a higher rate than Frondell in the same league but in a much bigger role.

Comparing their respective draft years I would say that Leo is pretty clearly first and EP is slightly ahead of Frondell. How ever, Frondell´s first half of the season was full of injuries and he’s a year younger then what they were so it’s not a clean comparison.
 
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EbonyRaptor said:
Rinzel still looks a little thin and lanky to me but supposedly he packed on some pounds since last season and based on his frame he can probably pack on some more over the next couple years. If he can get to 210-215 and not lose his mobility/agility - he is going to be a monster on both sides of the puck. His skating and puck handling are already very good at being fast and elusive - imagine when he can also power through people.
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Yes, Rinzel impresses for sure, he oozes confidence in what he does. Future stud for sure.
 
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Davidson is looking to make a big defense where all of them can actually play defense. Don’t need someone they have to shelter when the games get tough.

Which makes Korchinski’s audition kind of odd, but I digress. The vision is very clear now. Rinzel, Lev, Vlasic, EDM all fit that bill. Allan and Crevier too as lesser options while Kaiser has definitely improved.
 
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ello said:
I've had the same thought, you never see two top pair RHDs on the same team.

Just as an aside though, wouldnt that just prove that you dont need 2 of these guys to win? Probably shouldve used the Lev pick to shore up the scoring front BUT there was no way of predicting Rinzel's development this season.

Either way our dcore is set and KD should draft like 7 forwards and 1 goalie this draft lol
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Nah, if you actually look at it, basically all the current/prospect D are in the pro game with a ticking clock on ELCs/team control. KD was smart to only take 1 defenseman (Levshunov) is the first 5 rounds of the 2023 and 2024 Drafts, but they could actually use some new defensemen (not with their 1st pick, other than maybe Schaefer it it is what it is based on when they pick and scouts like him) in a "keep the line" moving sort of way for balance in the prospect pool.

Anyways if Rinzel and Levshunov both hit, that's undoubtedly a great thing.
 
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Hattrick Kane said:
Davidson is looking to make a big defense where all of them can actually play defense. Don’t need someone they have to shelter when the games get tough.

Which makes Korchinski’s audition kind of odd, but I digress. The vision is very clear now. Rinzel, Lev, Vlasic, EDM all fit that bill. Allan and Crevier too as lesser options while Kaiser has definitely improved.
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KD wants big defenseman to build around but he also wants speed in the backend too and can chip in offensively. Rinzel, Levshunov, Vlasic definitely have that. EDM is big and has underrated offensive skills, but his foot speed isn't good. Kaiser has wheels and is becoming an elite PK'er but he's barely 6 foot and so far has barely shown a pulse on the offensive end. Korchinski has the most potential out of the 3 of them and if he can improve his defense to even average, you can add him too... but I'm not sure anymore if he'll be a fit because all of his value would be on the PP. So far Rinzel and Levshunov are taking both those spots barring the next coaching brass sticking with 2 D back there on one of the PPs.

Personally I think 1, maybe 2 out of 3 are gonna be trade bait. Which one(s) we'll have to see. If the Hawks end up taking Schaefer... then 2 or even all 3 can go for forward help.
 
clydesdale line said:
KD wants big defenseman to build around but he also wants speed in the backend too and can chip in offensively. Rinzel, Levshunov, Vlasic definitely have that. EDM is big and has underrated offensive skills, but his foot speed isn't good. Kaiser has wheels and is becoming an elite PK'er but he's barely 6 foot and so far has barely shown a pulse on the offensive end. Korchinski has the most potential out of the 3 of them and if he can improve his defense to even average, you can add him too... but I'm not sure anymore if he'll be a fit because all of his value would be on the PP. So far Rinzel and Levshunov are taking both those spots barring the next coaching brass sticking with 2 D back there on one of the PPs.

Personally I think 1, maybe 2 out of 3 are gonna be trade bait. Which one(s) we'll have to see. If the Hawks end up taking Schaefer... then 2 or even all 3 can go for forward help.
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I highly, highly doubt they would even think of moving all 3 even if they do draft Schaefer. It would be completely depleting yourself of quality depth in the D corps. Moving all 3 for forward help would make no sense because they'd have 1 elite top pairing D, Vlasic, and a bunch of 4s, 5s, and 6s filling the rest of the other 4 spots. Build an elite top 4 like the Hawks had back during their run. Draft some high talent forwards, and sign a couple high talent forwards.

If you wanna move 1 of Lev, KK, and Rinzel(only if they draft Schaefer), then sure. But don't eliminate a dominant back-end for forward help. Far easier to find scoring from forwards, than it is to find elite top 4 D. It would be monumentally stupid to move all three of those guys just because you draft Schaefer. Hell, even with Schaefer I wouldn't move 2 of them. Your top 4 would be Schaefer, Vlasic, Lev, and Rinzel. Move KK or whatever, and then you have the bottom pairing a combination of the other 2-3 solid guys they have back there currently.
 
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ChiHawks10 said:
I highly, highly doubt they would even think of moving all 3 even if they do draft Schaefer. It would be completely depleting yourself of quality depth in the D corps. Moving all 3 for forward help would make no sense because they'd have 1 elite top pairing D, Vlasic, and a bunch of 4s, 5s, and 6s filling the rest of the other 4 spots. Build an elite top 4 like the Hawks had back during their run. Draft some high talent forwards, and sign a couple high talent forwards.

If you wanna move 1 of Lev, KK, and Rinzel(only if they draft Schaefer), then sure. But don't eliminate a dominant back-end for forward help. Far easier to find scoring from forwards, than it is to find elite top 4 D. It would be monumentally stupid to move all three of those guys just because you draft Schaefer. Hell, even with Schaefer I wouldn't move 2 of them. Your top 4 would be Schaefer, Vlasic, Lev, and Rinzel. Move KK or whatever, and then you have the bottom pairing a combination of the other 2-3 solid guys they have back there currently.
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My thing is this doesn't count Allan or even Crevier who I view more as bottom pairing defenseman than Korchinski, Kaiser or EDM which is what I was saying they probably hold more value in a trade than the other 2. It's not to say those guys can't be 5-6 defenseman. I think they are more than that. And I think the rest of the league believes so too which holds more value in dealing from a strength to a need. It's an embarrassment of riches and potentially adding Schaefer adds more to that.
 
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My thing is this doesn't count Allan or even Crevier who I view more as bottom pairing defenseman than Korchinski, Kaiser or EDM which is what I was saying they probably hold more value in a trade than the other 2. It's not to say those guys can't be 5-6 defenseman. I think they are more than that. And I think the rest of the league believes so too which holds more value in dealing from a strength to a need. It's an embarrassment of riches and potentially adding Schaefer adds more to that.
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That's fine. But you don't trade Lev, KK, and Rinzel if you draft Schaefer, only to keep Allan, Crevier, Kaiser, and EDM. That's just not smart management of the D.
 
bwanajamba said:
I think he was saying EDM, Kaiser, and Korchinski would be the trade bait. Levshunov and Rinzel are pretty clearly off limits at this point.
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Yeah, re-reading the initial post, it wasn't clear exactly who he was talking about, but he made it seem like if we drafted Schaefer, then 2 or even 3 of the big 3 would be available as trade bait.
 
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