Because we don't want to trade Bennett. It's that simple. The Flames have no interest in giving up on Bennett after a single offensively poor season.Why wouldn't the Flames just counter and say "Stajan + Bennett for Bozak + Brown"
Single offensively poor season?
Yes *******, he was 19. His other season was fine for his age
Otherwise, guys like Strome/Dubois/Pulju are already busts
Simmonds for Bennett and a 1st.
Calgary gets the best player for the next 2 years with the opportunity to re-sign him.
Philly hopefully gets the better long term.
Why would Philly want anything to do with this?
They are building for the future. And that future won't be in the next 2 years when Simminds is still on his great contract. So then the decision is about signing Simminds for 6-6.5 million for his 31-36 year old seasons.
Then add in that the Flyers have Voracek and Konecny at RW. So Simmonds would be our 3rd line RW. No need to pay that much for someone who won't be in the top 6.
Bennett could stay at LW in Philly where the depth is Lindblom, Weal and Filppula for this season. It would also give the Flyers 3 1st rounders for 2018 where they could add 2 more forwards and a Dman. That would finish off the rebuild nicely.
Trading Simminds to a contender makes sense for Philly if the return is right. Short term pain for long term gain.
Because their teams were smart enough not to rush them into the league?
I find it hard to believe that there will be a scenario where Simmonds is the "odd man out" on the flyers. Konecny is obviously not better at this point, and handing him a top 6 spot on a silver platter wouldn't be a wise thing to do imo. Even if he ever was traded, the return wouldn't be for a player who has yet to put up 36 points in a full NHL season. Bennett has a lot to prove if he's going to be netting the flames one of the best power forwards in the league. I agree with the bolded but I feel like there could absolutely be a better return than Sam Bennett. Also, why not just put Voracek on LW to avoid the logjam on the right side?
I find it hard to believe that there will be a scenario where Simmonds is the "odd man out" on the flyers. Konecny is obviously not better at this point, and handing him a top 6 spot on a silver platter wouldn't be a wise thing to do imo. Even if he ever was traded, the return wouldn't be for a player who has yet to put up 36 points in a full NHL season. Bennett has a lot to prove if he's going to be netting the flames one of the best power forwards in the league. I agree with the bolded but I feel like there could absolutely be a better return than Sam Bennett. Also, why not just put Voracek on LW to avoid the logjam on the right side?
Would Flames fans have interest in Palmieri? He's a legit top line RW who plays a power forward type of game (despite his size) with a ridiculous shot.
His value is probably a decent amount higher than Bennett's - maybe something like:
Bennett + Kylington
Palmieri + 4th
Why wouldn't the Flames just counter and say "Stajan + Bennett for Bozak + Brown"
I think I put it as simply as I can. Imagine you have Sam Bennett, cap space, and want to improve your team now/moving forward and have your pick of any player from Calgary. What players would you trade him for?
I watched at least (very conservative estimate) a dozen complete Calgary games last year and can say Bennett has not shown enough to bring back proven players or highly touted prospects. Yet.
He is in that dead zone in terms of value where he hasn't shown enough and the "potential star" shine has faded badly. Thus this post, jumping the gun to move him for scraps.
If you watched Bennett you have to know he just isnt there yet consistently. That has nothing to do with Edmonton versus Calgary thing. Although to be fair im sure its coloured it a bit.
Rotflmao.
I didn't think I needed to explain the nuances of, Lol, the mythical ten. Did you honestly write that being serious?
OK. For clarification. I am not talking mythical Sam Bennett potential. I am talking actual Sam Bennett current effectiveness. A guy who racked up 13 goals and 13 assists with a stellar minus 16 in 82 games, and as far as I am aware against relatively easy competition to go along with the excuse of poor linemates holding him back from greatness. He takes bad penalties. Is 46% on draws. Currently a bit too small and slow and inexperienced to be a consistent impact player at the NHL level.
I believe Bennett will be a good player down the road but that is not guaranteed, nor at this point would it make sense for any team to trade someone currently playing good for someone who isnt.
If I were looking to improve my team I would easily trade Bennet for: McDavid, Leon, Lucic, RNH, Maroon, Jessie, Klefbom, Larsson, Sekera, Nurse, and of course Talbot.
Note I specifically said most teams. This is a hypothetical situation that does not include cap management or current roster weakness and strengths. HYPOTHETICAL.
Bennetts play last year in comparison to other Oilers arguments could be made that: Letestu, Kassian, Cagullia, Benning, Russel and even Strome would hold more value to a team than what Bennett currently brings to the table.
Even assuming Bennett will hit his stride within 5 years, even taking in his Age/Contact status I would still trade him for: McDavid, Leon, Lucic, RNH, Jessie, Klefbom, Larsson, Sekera, Nurse, and of course Talbot.
It is unlikely that Bennett will significantly help a team more than the above "mythical ten".
I used the Oilers as my example because I know them well. I would guess there are ten players on most teams that another hypothetical team in posession of Bennett would trade for.
Even the Flames have ten players I would expect any other team would trade Sam Bennett straight up without a second thought.
Johnny, Mona, Backlund, Hamilton, Tkachuk, Frolik, Giordano, TJ, Harmonic, and Smith. Depending on contract status of course.
Would Flames fans have interest in Palmieri? He's a legit top line RW who plays a power forward type of game (despite his size) with a ridiculous shot.
His value is probably a decent amount higher than Bennett's - maybe something like:
Bennett + Kylington
Palmieri + 4th
Single offensively poor season?
Probably the same as RNH and Yak... Just can't hack it.
RNH has had 3 seasons over 50 points...he can hack it
although, peak potential for Bennett is probably 50 points
Yes it means one, perhaps you should invest in a dictionarySingle offensively poor season?
It is crazy how much you're reaching with this post. I mean, potential is a real thing. Why did Tampa move Drouin for Sergachev, it was 100% for his potential. Everything about your post was based on point production from last season, it covered nothing about playing style or potential. And come on, did you really just say Letestu, Kassian, Cagullia, Benning, Russell are worth more than Bennett? Lucic and Maroon are also nowhere worth what Bennett is. It is pretty clear you are either looking solely at a stat sheet or else you have some other agenda.
RNH "was" a 50pt player, at this point, if he can't hit 50pts next year, having a 6m/yr player that produces like a 3C is probably not winning in any sense of the word. The guy had Eberle for most of the year and only managed to hit 43pts. He played a full 82 so you saw his ppg pace normalized after not getting 1st line minutes anymore.
He hasn't broken 50 in two full calendar years.