Value of: Sam Bennett as a UFA

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There's no way he's getting less than 7M or more than 9.5M AAV correct?

Ya - I would say $7.25 - 8.75 is a range that teams would be looking at. Anything starting with a $9 I think would be going over the top quite a bit and I don't see why he would entertain anything under $7 unless he really wants to go there/stay put.

 

[BHawk21]

No, I was very clear. This is a message board, where plenty of people post and reply. I was jumping ahead of the people likely to come in and say that it’s not Zito it’s the “tax advantage,” as explained to you. But again, you needed it spelled out to you, so I took the time to do so.

You really struggle with things, though. At least you’ve finally understood that a hometown discount is a thing. Sure, it affects what he’d make here, but he isn’t getting the same cap hit and right now “what he could get” is an unrealized number. Iow, there’s no offer in hand from another team his agent can present, just a possibly/probaby could get. Then there’s the limit Zito is willing to reach.

I dont know what your thing is with Zito but nobody is mentioning him and only have seen and said myself hes a good GM. You can fight that with someone else.

Again you are not saying anything.

Bennett has the option to get more money somewhere else. This affects his signing with the panthers. They may not be able to afford him. I dont know what your issue is with this. You may lose him for nothing because he may price himself out of Florida. Thats it.

 

[BHawk21]

They're well on their path to becoming a playoff team without a deal that very clearly will be an albatross.

Maybe the Blackhawks should look into giving him that 8.5m x 7?

Im not sure we know that. Its not like Utah will be a destination for a while at least. They may need to go in and overpay UFAs.

Maybe they should to start trying to compete more but they still have about 2-3 years until they are knocking on the wildcard where utah is doorstep that puts Bennett at 31.

Kadris contract was thought to be an albatross hes still going pretty well at 34.

 

[Laus723]

I dont know what your thing is with Zito but nobody is mentioning him and only have seen and said myself hes a good GM. You can fight that with someone else.

Again you are not saying anything.

Bennett has the option to get more money somewhere else. This affects his signing with the panthers. They may not be able to afford him. I dont know what your issue is with this. You may lose him for nothing because he may price himself out of Florida. Thats it.

Lmao. You really can’t read.

 

[BHawk21]

Lmao. You really can’t read.

I can read this "It doesn’t matter what he’s worth on the open market".

Do you think the Panthers would be able resign him if hes worth 5.5 million on the open market? What if hes worth 10million?

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

I can read this "It doesn’t matter what he’s worth on the open market".

Do you think the Panthers would be able resign him if hes worth 5.5 million on the open market? What if hes worth 10million?

Your premise is flawed already since Florida can offer the 8th year.

So you saying Bennett is worth 9 on open market x 7 years means Florida could technically pay 8 x 7.75 and keep him.

 

[BHawk21]

Your premise is flawed already since Florida can offer the 8th year.

So you saying Bennett is worth 9 on open market x 7 years means Florida could technically pay 8 x 7.75 and keep him.

Thats not my premise.

I said how is Florida going to pay him?

So if they give him 8x7.75 they would have to lose Marchand or Ekblad right?

 

[Laus723]

I dont know what your thing is with Zito but nobody is mentioning him and only have seen and said myself hes a good GM. You can fight that with someone else.

Again you are not saying anything.

Bennett has the option to get more money somewhere else. This affects his signing with the panthers. They may not be able to afford him. I dont know what your issue is with this. You may lose him for nothing because he may price himself out of Florida. Thats it.

Lmao, you just have comprehension issues. Seeya.

 

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Thats not my premise.

I said how is Florida going to pay him?

So if they give him 8x7.75 they would have to lose Marchand or Ekblad right?

Ya but I think they are probably OK with that. Bennett would be more important and better to have long term than either of those guys. Ekblad probably doesn't get re-signed unless it's for a big discount. No doubt Panthers are going to lose a body or two but the question is which ones.

 

[Laus723]

Thats not my premise.

I said how is Florida going to pay him?

So if they give him 8x7.75 they would have to lose Marchand or Ekblad right?

That’s how we afford him. You e been told you just don’t like it. For some reason. I don’t get your carrying on.

 

[BHawk21]

That’s how we afford him. You e been told you just don’t like it. For some reason. I don’t get your carrying on.

You afford him by losing other players...

If Florida prioritizes Bennett his market value is so high it squeezes someone else out.

You dont have a point. Your arguing nothing. Yes you can pay Bennett and keep him. Is that your argument?

 

[CanMerc]

So, if his range is 7m-9m, I wonder what WPG would have to pay. He’d be a great add as our 2C.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

he might go somewhere with a young core cus that's where he'll get overpaid the most to play a big leadership role, might eventually become captain too

Utah looks like a good fit, around 8.5Mx7 maybe, if he wants to stay in the East maybe Detroit

Chicago? They’re gonna have lots of cap space, I could see ‘em swinging for both Marner and Bennett.

 

[Laus723]

You afford him by losing other players...

If Florida prioritizes Bennett his market value is so high it squeezes someone else out.

You dont have a point. Your arguing nothing. Yes you can pay Bennett and keep him. Is that your argument?

wtf are you talking about? You asked if we can afford him, the f***ing answer is yes. You didn’t ask if we can also keep Ek and Marchand. We kept Reino last year, we lost Montour and deadline addition Tarasenko. We now have Smith and Marchand, things will work out, wtf are you arguing? Did you just want me to say gee I don’t know or no? We can’t afford him because we want to keep 2 other guys? Zito has a plan, it’s been laid out in front of you, you just either do t understand it or refuse to accept it. It’s f***ing weird.

 

[FinlandPanther]

Florida/Tampa/Vegas/Dallas: 5.5M x 7
Toronto: 9.5M x 7
Anywhere else: 8M x7

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Thats not my premise.

I said how is Florida going to pay him?

So if they give him 8x7.75 they would have to lose Marchand or Ekblad right?

No they wouldn't because Ekblad isn't getting above 8 and Marchand wouldn't get above 6.5 in Florida.

They can move Rodrigues and his 3 mil salary out and fit all 3 if need be.

 

[Lockin17]

I would do 7.5mil x 7 years in MTL

 

[TT1]

Chicago? They’re gonna have lots of cap space, I could see ‘em swinging for both Marner and Bennett.

sure it's possible, i just picked the teams that were closer to fighting for a playoff spot, young teams that wanna take the next step and become playoff contenders

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

No they wouldn't because Ekblad isn't getting above 8 and Marchand wouldn't get above 6.5 in Florida.

They can move Rodrigues and his 3 mil salary out and fit all 3 if need be.

Going into next season this is what I'm seeing for salary cap breakdown for the Panthers.

G (1)
Bob - $10 (M-NTC)
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F (12)
Barkov - $10 (NTC)
Tkachuk - $9.5
Reinhart - $8.625
Verhaeghe - $7 (NMC)
Lundell - $5
Luostarinen - $3
Rodrigues - $3
Boqvist - $1.5
St. Martin - .855
Greer - $.850
Schmidt - $.821
Gadovich - $.775
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D (5)
Jones - $7 (NMC)
Forsling - $5.75 (NMC)
Mikkola - $2.5
Kulikov - $1.15
Balinskis - $.850
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TOTAL CAP - $78,177,500
CAP SPACE - $17,322,500
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RFA
Samoskevich

UFA
Ekblad
Marchand
Bennett
Sturm
Nosek
Schmidt
Vanecek
Kahkonen
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I'm sure there's wiggle room to move some of these guys or send them down or whatever.

Panthers need a couple goalies, a couple D, and a few forwards. Marchand, Bennett, Ekblad would take up a considerable portion of this even on discounts.

All too soon to know what each player wants and where they want to play. All 3 of those guys already have rings so maybe they want max money now? Maybe they want comfort and long term certainty?

 

[BHawk21]

wtf are you talking about? You asked if we can afford him, the f***ing answer is yes. You didn’t ask if we can also keep Ek and Marchand. We kept Reino last year, we lost Montour and deadline addition Tarasenko. We now have Smith and Marchand, things will work out, wtf are you arguing? Did you just want me to say gee I don’t know or no? We can’t afford him because we want to keep 2 other guys? Zito has a plan, it’s been laid out in front of you, you just either do t understand it or refuse to accept it. It’s f***ing weird

I didnt ask that.

I asked how are you going to pay him what other teams can? You refused to admit that you are going to lose pieces of this team if you are going to pay him.

THINGS WILL WORK OUT! lol

Whats Zitos plan that has been laid out in front of me?? You have no idea whos gunna be back with the team.

 

[BHawk21]

No they wouldn't because Ekblad isn't getting above 8 and Marchand wouldn't get above 6.5 in Florida.

They can move Rodrigues and his 3 mil salary out and fit all 3 if need be.

Ok, so yes. They may have to lose someone to sign Bennett.

Thats a reasonable answer for how can florida manage to pay Bennett.

BTW wasnt Marchand asking for more from Boston?

 

[Kegs]

7 mil per

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Going into next season this is what I'm seeing for salary cap breakdown for the Panthers.

G (1)
Bob - $10 (M-NTC)
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F (12)
Barkov - $10 (NTC)
Tkachuk - $9.5
Reinhart - $8.625
Verhaeghe - $7 (NMC)
Lundell - $5
Luostarinen - $3
Rodrigues - $3
Boqvist - $1.5
St. Martin - .855
Greer - $.850
Schmidt - $.821
Gadovich - $.775
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D (5)
Jones - $7 (NMC)
Forsling - $5.75 (NMC)
Mikkola - $2.5
Kulikov - $1.15
Balinskis - $.850
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TOTAL CAP - $78,177,500
CAP SPACE - $17,322,500
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RFA
Samoskevich

UFA
Ekblad
Marchand
Bennett
Sturm
Nosek
Schmidt
Vanecek
Kahkonen
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I'm sure there's wiggle room to move some of these guys or send them down or whatever.

Panthers need a couple goalies, a couple D, and a few forwards. Marchand, Bennett, Ekblad would take up a considerable portion of this even on discounts.

All too soon to know what each player wants and where they want to play. All 3 of those guys already have rings so maybe they want max money now? Maybe they want comfort and long term certainty?

Definitely going to be tight but Rodrigues likely gets shipped out, Samoskevich needs more TOI and bigger role.

Of the 3 main UFAs, I'd likely see one of Marchand or Ekblad not brought back.
Bennett seems more of a must sign.
Lundell could also shift to wing if Bennett is brought back.

Lundell in top 6 could open up his offensive production and start getting more time on the PP.

I trust Zito and he will find bargain bin guys who want to up their market value and be here on 1 or 2 year deals.

Ok, so yes. They may have to lose someone to sign Bennett.

Thats a reasonable answer for how can florida manage to pay Bennett.

BTW wasnt Marchand asking for more from Boston?

Not sure what the AAV ask was from Marchand but I know term was the issue.
Not entirely worried if Marchand isn't brought back but him or Ekblad are the two more likely to walk over Bennett IMO.

Zito let Giroux walk and filled the hole left so Marchand leaving wouldn't crush the top 9.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Definitely going to be tight but Rodrigues likely gets shipped out, Samoskevich needs more TOI and bigger role.

Of the 3 main UFAs, I'd likely see one of Marchand or Ekblad not brought back.
Bennett seems more of a must sign.
Lundell could also shift to wing if Bennett is brought back.

Lundell in top 6 could open up his offensive production and start getting more time on the PP.

I trust Zito and he will find bargain bin guys who want to up their market value and be here on 1 or 2 year deals.



Not sure what the AAV ask was from Marchand but I know term was the issue.
Not entirely worried if Marchand is brought back but him or Ekblad are the two more likely to walk then Bennett IMO.

Ya - I don't see anyway they can keep all 3 without significant other moves and if I were the Panthers I would prioritize Bennett. Players of Marchand and Ekblad caliber and skillset are easier to find in trade or the open market.

Marchand will be 37 at the start of next season and his 60 point days might be behind him. Over 35 contract makes things trickier as well.

Even if Panthers lost all 3 of these guys they are still in a great spot and I agree that Zito likely uses the space well to fill in the holes as needed.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Ya - I don't see anyway they can keep all 3 without significant other moves and if I were the Panthers I would prioritize Bennett. Players of Marchand and Ekblad caliber and skillset are easier to find in trade or the open market.

Marchand will be 37 at the start of next season and his 60 point days might be behind him. Over 35 contract makes things trickier as well.

Even if Panthers lost all 3 of these guys they are still in a great spot and I agree that Zito likely uses the space well to fill in the holes as needed.

Only good thing about 35+ deals, the buyouts are better no?
So maybe Zito does 3 years but knows that 3rd year is buyout candidate?

I don't see Marchand taking less than 3 year term but let's see how he plays in Florida before we commit to a 36 year old lol.
In saying that, we did bring Luongo and Jagr in, so you never know.

Jones is definitely some leverage for Zito in the Ekblad conversation as well, plus Ekblad may have soured some trust with Zito related to the PED suspension.