Value of: Sam Bennett as a UFA

[BHawk21]

Listen, where's your disconnect? Where's the malfunction, re-read my last post slowly, pause at "hometown discount" and ponder what that means. Consider who's stayed here (meaning they, their agents, and management allll came to an agreement on a number to stay), then consider who's walked (meaning there wasn't an agreement). that help? Again, it's not hard, you're just stuck on Bennett chasing the money and not taking a discount. For some reason.

Again, read it slowly, take a few pauses, you'll be amazed that the answers staring you in the face. (you continually choose to be a dick, I'm happy to match the energy).

Again I have no idea what you are arguing lol Whats your point?

How are you going to afford him?

The real answer-----

We cant unless he takes a discount (which he may) because hes got a higher value on the open market then the teams cap can handle.

 

[I am not exposed]

He had a good audition scoring two goals against the Leafs the other day. I think he prices himself out of Florida and hits UFA.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Treliving is throwing an albatross at him if he makes it to UFA. 9M * 7

 

[Laus723]

Agree with you on this except Lundell was an RFA. Not really the same situation. He signed for a lower rate than he probably should have (moreso because of the amount of years) but he also didn't have exactly eye popping stats to demand a Jarvis or Raymond type contract either. He took a discount which is still part of your larger point but it's definitely different than others on your list.

True, but I think most expected him to sign for a bit more or more of a bridge contract. But, you're not wrong.

 

[BHawk21]

Treliving is throwing an albatross at him if he makes it to UFA. 9M * 7

Hell I may prefer Bennett and a top 4 defenseman to Marner for a team that struggles in the playoffs.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Toronto should let pajama boy walk and throw big money at Bennett. He's also a Berube type player.

 

[Laus723]

Again I have no idea what you are arguing lol Whats your point?

How are you going to afford him?

The real answer-----

We cant unless he takes a discount (which he may) because hes got a higher value on the open market then the teams cap can handle.

First, you argued with me about Zito being a good manager, you finally shut up about that.

Second, you asked how we can afford him...yeah, a discount. But, other than guys like Klingberg, nearly everyone re-signs for less than what they'd get in Free Agency. Chicago wasn't going to pay Boland what Florida did, that's true across the board. So, again, what he'd make on the market isn't what he'd make here.

 

[blankall]

Alright lets try to walk you through it.

Why would he explore the market if hes on the best team in the league living in Florida a no tax state winning cups?

He's already got his cup. Bennett is turning 29 (when most players start to leave their prime), and he has career earnings of only $29,475,000. This is likely his only chance to get a big contract, and he will be extremely sought after, as the hype is still on him in a big way.

Is Florida willing to cough up $8 million? Yes, Florida has no tax, but that only applies to half your earnings, and lots of other states have low or no tax. I see him maybe taking a 500k discount to stay in Florida, but not much more.

He's also from North of Toronto. As fun as as it is to live in big American cities, they also have a lot of downsides for Canadians. Not going to derail the thread with the reasons, but there are lots.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

he might go somewhere with a young core cus that's where he'll get overpaid the most to play a big leadership role, might eventually become captain too

Utah looks like a good fit, around 8.5Mx7 maybe, if he wants to stay in the East maybe Detroit

Paying him 8.5 million would cripple what Utah has going on right now, they need to stay the course as Cooley develops into a two-way 1st line center and Hayton also looks to be turning into one of the best shutdown centers in the league while putting up second line points.

 

[Scintillating10]

Definitely overpaid if he leaves Florida. Many teams in need of center

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Definitely overpaid if he leaves Florida. Many teams in need of center

Yep the amount of teams needing a 2C is huge.

Kadri a lot said overpaid at 7 million. Cap going up. It is looking solid.

 

[blankall]

Yep the amount of teams needing a 2C is huge.

Kadri a lot said overpaid at 7 million. Cap going up. It is looking solid.

Most sought after UFAs are overpaid. That's just kind of how it works. Once a player becomes a UFA, no one has contract control over him, and the team that signs him has to outbid all the other teams. You're overpaying, but also getting an asset for free. That being said, almost all UFAs signed long-term end up with awful contracts for the last 2-4 years.

Off topic, but Kadri had 79 points and 29 goals last year. $7 million is a bargain for that. In fact, I'd say he's been solid value his whole tenure so far. Still a pretty good chance the last two years will suck.

 

[BHawk21]

First, you argued with me about Zito being a good manager, you finally shut up about that.

Second, you asked how we can afford him...yeah, a discount. But, other than guys like Klingberg, nearly everyone re-signs for less than what they'd get in Free Agency. Chicago wasn't going to pay Boland what Florida did, that's true across the board. So, again, what he'd make on the market isn't what he'd make here.

Iv never said anything that Zito is a good manager. Nobody thinks hes a bad manager Im not sure who you had this argument with but its not me. This is all in your own head.

"It doesn’t matter what he’s worth on the open market"

It very very clearly does. If he was worth 6.5 on the open market then Florida could have him signed already.

 

[BHawk21]

Paying him 8.5 million would cripple what Utah has going on right now, they need to stay the course as Cooley develops into a two-way 1st line center and Hayton also looks to be turning into one of the best shutdown centers in the league while putting up second line points.

At the same time it could push them into a playoff team and make that new owner some money and a more diehard fanbase.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Most sought after UFAs are overpaid. That's just kind of how it works. Once a player becomes a UFA, no one has contract control over him, and the team that signs him has to outbid all the other teams. You're overpaying, but also getting an asset for free. That being said, almost all UFAs signed long-term end up with awful contracts for the last 2-4 years.

Off topic, but Kadri had 79 points and 29 goals last year. $7 million is a bargain for that. In fact, I'd say he's been solid value his whole tenure so far. Still a pretty good chance the last two years will suck.

O I defended the contract. I thought it was solid. Just a lot saying how good it is now. I thought it was fair.

 

[Laus723]

Iv never said anything that Zito is a good manager. Nobody thinks hes a bad manager Im not sure who you had this argument with but its not me. This is all in your own head.

"It doesn’t matter what he’s worth on the open market"

It very very clearly does. If he was worth 6.5 on the open market then Florida could have him signed already.

No, I was very clear. This is a message board, where plenty of people post and reply. I was jumping ahead of the people likely to come in and say that it’s not Zito it’s the “tax advantage,” as explained to you. But again, you needed it spelled out to you, so I took the time to do so.

You really struggle with things, though. At least you’ve finally understood that a hometown discount is a thing. Sure, it affects what he’d make here, but he isn’t getting the same cap hit and right now “what he could get” is an unrealized number. Iow, there’s no offer in hand from another team his agent can present, just a possibly/probaby could get. Then there’s the limit Zito is willing to reach.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

At the same time it could push them into a playoff team and make that new owner some money and a more diehard fanbase.

They're well on their path to becoming a playoff team without a deal that very clearly will be an albatross.

Maybe the Blackhawks should look into giving him that 8.5m x 7?

 

[WTFMAN99]

I could maybe get my head around 6.75M x 5 years if you're Toronto...even defer some $$ to get it to that cap hit (maybe it's really like 7.5M per) but I agree with most people in this thread that this could look bad in 2-3 years.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

I have zero doubt the Flyers will try to hold a press conference announcing the signing of both Bennent and Ekblad. They will overpay and offer them the most money IMO. Whether accept whole diff story

 

[Phion Keneuf]

He’ll get around 60% what Marner would get in UFA.

 

[crowi]

Bennett's a guy I could easily see Leafs offering a big deal to "make them harder to play against" and then having their core p***y him up (and be content) so much he'd be afraid to go to a corner.

 

[Face Of Bear]

Florida/Tampa/Vegas/Dallas: 5.5M x 7
Toronto: 9.5M x 7
Anywhere else: 8M x7

 

[Commander Clueless]

I bet. How can you pay him close to what other teams would?

They have palm trees you see.

-Kevyn Adams

 

[go4hockey]

Long term UFA contracts for guys near 30 rarely work out good. I see this deal falling into that category, I get the feeling the back half of his contract may be tough.

 

[Wildcarder]

There's no way he's getting less than 7M or more than 9.5M AAV correct?