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[Mr Jiggyfly]

No.

But I now have a question for you: Did the Pens immediately look different the moment Tocchet left the organization???? Maybe Phil/Geno didn't change, maybe the guy getting all of the credit doesn't deserve it.

I dunno man...

Remember when the change over happened and Tocchet was kept on as an assistant coach after MJ was kicked to the curb? Many people around here were livid and kept insisting he was a bad coach and only had a job because he was buddies with Mario.

Just interesting to me how he was viewed then and now. Seems like he became a really smart guy with Sullivan around and before that, he was a dumb ass that needed to be gone.

Sort of like how Botts became a savant when JR came around.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I'm gonna lol so hard if Phil is back next season and drops 35

He's done it literally twice in his career. 0 times here. You're not gonna be loling.

 

[TKalltheTime]

It's pretty funny the crap people will believe, makeup, or twist to fall in line with their own "talking out their ass-ery".

 

[Peat]

So, uh, unscheduled detonations from the front office PR machine aside, I am idly curious as to who might be a good PMD to add to the top 6 if Sully gets his way and one is added.

 

[Shady Machine]

Lol the gambling problems dragging down young impressionable Jakey! Get this monster out of here.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

It's pretty funny the crap people will believe, makeup, or twist to fall in line with their own "talking out their ass-ery".

How much have you paid the mods to allow you to keep posting your condescending nonsense?

 

[ownal]

Guentzel makes Laine (Fortnite addiction) look like a choir boy.

 

[SEALBound]

How much have you paid the mods to allow you to keep posting your condescending nonsense?

If bribery is afoot, I imagine all three mods are in the process of buying vacation homes as we speak.

 

[K Fleur]

So, uh, unscheduled detonations from the front office PR machine aside, I am idly curious as to who might be a good PMD to add to the top 6 if Sully gets his way and one is added.

Depends if Sullivan’s idea of what a good PMD is is the same as JR’s.

 

[TKalltheTime]

How much have you paid the mods to allow you to keep posting your condescending nonsense?

Keep wishing in one hand & crapping in the other. See what gets filled first
Best of luck to you.

 

[Coastal Kev]

I dunno man...

Remember when the change over happened and Tocchet was kept on as an assistant coach after MJ was kicked to the curb? Many people around here were livid and kept insisting he was a bad coach and only had a job because he was buddies with Mario.

Just interesting to me how he was viewed then and now. Seems like he became a really smart guy with Sullivan around and before that, he was a dumb ass that needed to be gone.

Sort of like how Botts became a savant when JR came around.

Well I never joined in that mindset, I always thought the issue was 100% on MJ.

I think Sully worked well with Tocchet and Rick had his respect probably from being the former player and coach he was. I never had an issue with Sully his first 2 years, but I started to see cracks nearly from the start of his 3rd season. I'm sure if we looked back at threads from that time period, I probably wasn't alone in seeing it either.

 

[pensfan71]

He's done it literally twice in his career. 0 times here. You're not gonna be loling.

Y'all need to chill

I was kidding, no need to be serious 24/7

I'm one of the ones advocating for him to be traded even though I like the guy

 

[canadianguy77]

Jesus Christ. That article reads like the "sources" were just a bunch of Facebook posts. That dude is a straight-up hack.

 

[TKalltheTime]

Jesus Christ. That article reads like the "sources" were just a bunch of Facebook posts. That dude is a straight-up hack.

I think even that is giving him too much credit. I think the "sources" just live in his simple & predictable mind.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

That Rossi piece paints Sullivan in a worse light than Kessel, IMO. Even though I'm sure that wasn't Rossi's intention.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I missed something, eh?

 

[Gurglesons]

Rossi is a Sidney Crosby level of heel in the Pitt media.

Just when you think he is done he puts up a 100 pt season.

 

[Empoleon8771]

That Rossi piece paints Sullivan in a worse light than Kessel, IMO. Even though I'm sure that wasn't Rossi's intention.

I think it paints both in a bad light. Sullivan for dragging Malkin into his issues with Kessel, but also Kessel for refusing to adjust when his actions are negatively impacting others.

 

[SEALBound]

I missed something, eh?

It ain't about Jack Johnson so move on.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

I think it paints both in a bad light. Sullivan for dragging Malkin into his issues with Kessel, but also Kessel for refusing to adjust when his actions are negatively impacting others.

I couldn't care less about the gambling. I also don't care about the non-backchecking. Team knew that when they got him. But there was an article a while back alleging that there was a regular time during practice in which the coach would gather all the players around to go over stuff on the board, and Kessel would ignore it all and continue to shoot pucks around. If true, that's blatant disrespect and a real dick move.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Well I never joined in that mindset, I always thought the issue was 100% on MJ.

I think Sully worked well with Tocchet and Rick had his respect probably from being the former player and coach he was. I never had an issue with Sully his first 2 years, but I started to see cracks nearly from the start of his 3rd season. I'm sure if we looked back at threads from that time period, I probably wasn't alone in seeing it either.

Mostly every coach begins to show cracks, unless it’s a Bowman, and he was once chased off by some foolish mindsets.

Tocchet hasn’t shown to be a great head coach anywhere he’s been.

Maybe he’s evolving still, but time will tell.

I’m certainly not going to give Tocchet credit for what Sullivan has accomplished, but I can recognize he likely played a part with the good cop, bad cop schtick.

I’m not going to blow Sullivan off yet, mostly because I know his GM went off his tree and started adding players that are the opposite of what Sullivan wanted.

You can have the greatest chef in the world, but if you give him Spam and Twinkies to serve with a five course meal...

 

[xlm34]

All the article does is confirm Phil is going to be traded. Happened with Neal, happened with Despres, happened with Sprong, happened with basically any other trade the team knew wasn’t going to be popular with the fans.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I couldn't care less about the gambling. I also don't care about the non-backchecking. Team knew that when they got him. But there was an article a while back alleging that there was a regular time during practice in which the coach would gather all the players around to go over stuff on the board, and Kessel would ignore it all and continue to shoot pucks around. If true, that's blatant disrespect and a real dick move.

Yeah, I don't like how some people in here are trying to excuse Kessel of any wrongdoing and saying this is all Sullivan's fault. Sullivan's failing by refusing to get the room to work together with what he has, but if you have a player that continuously does his own thing and ignores what the coach is telling him to do, how is that guy blameless?

Kessel is what he is, but that's not a justification for him to not listen to the coaches. If it's causing problems beyond Kessel and Sullivan, that's a big issue and he deserves to be criticized for it. If it's causing problems for other players on the team, Kessel is being 100% selfish for not considering how his actions impact others.

Edit: I also don't know why people are trying to excuse a guy who has a well established reputation of being a problem for coaches ever since he was in the USNTDP, while blaming Sullivan entirely for those problems.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Mostly every coach begins to show cracks, unless it’s a Bowman, and he was once chased off by some foolish mindsets.

Tocchet hasn’t shown to be a great head coach anywhere he’s been.

Maybe he’s evolving still, but time will tell.

I’m certainly not going to give Tocchet credit for what Sullivan has accomplished, but I can recognize he likely played a part with the good cop, bad cop schtick.

I’m not going to blow Sullivan off yet, mostly because I know his GM went off his tree and started adding players that are the opposite of what Sullivan wanted.

You can have the greatest chef in the world, but if you give him Spam and Twinkies to serve with a five course meal...

A lot of truth with your post, but let point out a couple of bad symptoms regarding Sully.

After the 2nd cup, anyone with a brain knew he should lighten the load of his stars during the regular season so that they would have gas in the tank for a 3 peat. What did he do instead, pout about Reaves (who has shown he can play a solid 4th line role since), and rolled with 3 lines for the majority of the season.

Also, his lack of giving Sprong a legit shot with Malkin was dumbfounding only with the fact we have so much money wrapped up in our current RW's and none of them really work with our top 2 centers.

Can you tell I'm not a Sully fan?

 

[Ogrezilla]

Still using sprong as evidence against sully. I love it.