Sabres -- the Enigma

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True they had Eichel. But they could get another 1C (maybe?) by trading one of their two #1D?
What team in their right mind trades a 1C though?
It's not really a position you can trade for unless there is a ridiculously dumb GM. Unfortunately for Buffalo, that's really only them atm. The last 1C available was literally Eichel.
 
What team in their right mind trades a 1C though?
It's not really a position you can trade for unless there is a ridiculously dumb GM. Unfortunately for Buffalo, that's really only them atm. The last 1C available was literally Eichel.
They ran him out of town ripping him the whole way too only for him to get his surgery, almost immediately win the Conn Smythe and is having a season currently where he will see some Hart votes. He is a top 10 player in this league. Sure, he isnt McDavid, but he would help a lot right now.
 
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Their arena sucks, the lease is up in a couple years. People aren't going to games and interest and viewership in the team has seriously dwindled. And there's just a loser stench on the franchise.

Unless they really flip a switch and become a winning team I don't think it's unrealistic that they move out of Buffalo in the next few years.
 
What team in their right mind trades a 1C though?
It's not really a position you can trade for unless there is a ridiculously dumb GM. Unfortunately for Buffalo, that's really only them atm. The last 1C available was literally Eichel.
I mean, nobody ever trades a true 1D either. If ever a 1C gets traded in a hockey deal, the most likely return is a 1D. Are there teams out there thick at center but needing D?
 
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Lol just last week Sabres fans ripping me adament about being buyers at this deadline and offseason and how they need NHL ready players for this team.

How is a fanbase that oblivious to the fast they're headed towards a firesale rebuild AGAIN and not contention anytime soon?
that's because you are a professional liar and stuff you make up like Sabres fans saying they are buyers because they aren't selling off guys who literally can be resigned and come back to the team instead of restarting over as if the Sabres didn't already do that multiple times.
 
Sometimes I wonder if there's a collective group psychosis in Buffalo. When you've been losing for so long it drains you. You expect to lose. It rubs off on everybody. Losing begets losing and you're trapped in a cycle.

In a league with so much parity, and especially in a sport like hockey, the difference between a bad team and a mediocre team seems random sometimes. Vibes matter.

There's been a handful of seasons during the Sabre's drought when I thought the roster was better than the record.
 
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This tells the story of the season for me.

The young part of the core failed to develop this season and didn't take the next step.

Power isn't an effective defenseman and is bad at defending still.

Cozens and Quinn regressed a lot and is losing every matchup and even Peterka stagnated in his development. That's was supposed to be our 2nd line.

When Dahlin was injured they lost every game and that put them too far behind in the standings.

Highlights of the season are Benson and Kulich both took steps forward so I'm gonna get tricked into positivity for next season again.
 
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They have a lot of young talent across the team, and organization. Which means nothing when you don’t have the right veterans, when you ignore team building, ignore roster construction, and you sit on your hands. That young talent spoils.

They need someone to come in and identify the talent they want to build around, and then surround them with the right players. Absent that, the young talent will continue to stagnant and leave.
 
They need someone to come in and start holding people accountable. Everyone who's there just collecting a pay check needs to be told to put their big boy pants on and start producing or otherwise they're gone.

The whole mentality of "it's just fine that we're at the bottom of the pile year after year" has to be stamped out. It's not an accident that just about every player that has left Buffalo has gone on to find success elsewhere.
 
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To understand what's going on we nerd as brief history lesson....

The sabres were s frequent playoff team in their histoty.

They made the fin as l in 1999 then dtopped a bit after trading Hasek but had good drafts and their farm team won AHL in the 04/05 lost sesson.

During this time the owners went in tu o bankruptcy and Gallissno aka scrooge took over.

Scrooge cut the scouting staff which curt their drafting in 2005-2011 period.

Also at this time the sabres made two playoff runs losing in conf finals. In these ccx off sessons th err y lost plsyers to free agency. And scrooge as owner. There were reports the sabres had agreed to terms with Brierre but Sctooge nixed it.

As a result buffalo started to trade UFAs to be to try and tank/rebuild.

The first time was 2013-15 targeting mcdavid.

They brought in a new gm to do this in tim Murray. Later they hired botterill. Both smat the time of hiring were leading candidates for gm jobs. Not much of a reach

Murray seemed to have s palan in mind. But the problem was buffalo did not have much in the system. What they did have got trsded aesy.

Murray ho fired, not for team, but because of media leaks by an asst gm

Botteril gog gired ffg pi r another reason as well that wasnt related to current team progress

They then hired kevin Adams.

Background' he was an NHL player who has his name on the cup (05/06 Hurricanes). After his hockey playing ended he did work in hockey area as an agent then under team management working his way in different areas of operation then taking over as GM.

He got GM because Pegula had a level of trust with him.

I dont know why people li e say he was unqualified. Hr has had similar experience as other former players.

The change occurred just before the draft a d free agency in 2020.

In 20/21 he signed Hsll and ss iij d let's have the sabres compete. It failed and eith rivhrl issues and Reinhart not resigning he went into s rrbuild plan.

He trsdedboff richelle, tejnhsrt, and ristolainrn and drafted


20/21 was bad, fired coach, picked 1OA

21/22 they finished strong. They had a statistically unusual schedule facing 20 of 21 top 20 teams in a 22 g stretch They finished thrir last 25 or so on a 100 pt pace


22/23 they had a 90+ pt sesson just outside the plsyoffs.. this could be blamed on an 8g losing streak where 5 of starting 6 D were out for some or all of these games. The team did have a top 10 PP

23/24. Scoring for went down but so did defense. They had a stretch ccx wherrc5 of top 6 F were out and many played with injury. Skm ef one in herr posted team advanced stats. Sabres s top d Tampa were nearly identical except ffg or PP/PK stats. Tampa p.o a was much better. Buffalo was bottom 5 in PP with the dame players

This season.......

the sabres went th rrg ough an 0-10-3 sresk. They go 5'5-3 they are in WC race.

Of the teams 35 L it OT/SOloses, 26 of them they were snd/or

1. Down 1 g in 3rd with por PP
2. Tied in 3rd but lisr in orbit OT
3. They had a late lead they lidt in reg/OT
4. One game they had a +2 g lead early in the gane

Their PP is bottom 5

Thry Can easily find 10 g they turn into Ws and ga im n 10-14 or so pts where they turn Ls into W around 4 times with 2pts in reg and other 5 or so extra pts earned from ties.

The Sabres were near top of the league in 1st period scoring

They likely also have a bad stat in record of those who score 1st or trans who blow 2+g leads

Buffalo had a bunch of extra picks in 21-23 drafts they had gotten 3 extra 1sts, and 2 extra 2nds. Got Levi, Krebs, Tuch. In trades and used a 2nd for greenway.

They also seemed to have done well drafting in 3rd or later

They dont need more picks and prosprcts. Thry want to ffg o hockey trsfes to improve their 23 m.j an next yr.

The team wants established players who would be under 27 with term. Their needs are in

1. Mid pair RD
2. 2nd line center who can play defense
3. Winger with size if they trade both greenway and Tuch

If they make nhl moves dont he surprised if they emerge ne t season

The Philadelphia Phantoms won the Calder Cup in 2005.
 
They need someone to come in and start holding people accountable. Everyone who's there just collecting a pay check needs to be told to put their big boy pants on and start producing or otherwise they're gone.

The whole mentality of "it's just fine that we're at the bottom of the pile year after year" has to be stamped out. It's not an accident that just about every player that has left Buffalo has gone on to find success elsewhere.
Many people look at the Sabres roster and see a lot of good players. Imo they need to change pieces within their core. They need leaders who put the club (and their teammates success) ahead of personal points) Tuch is a guy from that area and (apparently) loves the club. He’s a guy to build around. I’m not too sure if some of their other core guys have that same love for their team?
 
Their arena sucks, the lease is up in a couple years. People aren't going to games and interest and viewership in the team has seriously dwindled. And there's just a loser stench on the franchise.

Unless they really flip a switch and become a winning team I don't think it's unrealistic that they move out of Buffalo in the next few years.
As an outsider who goes there for Jets games, it's not that bad. Sure it's not the mecca like some of the new ones are, but it's perfectly fine compared to some peer rinks including Floridas which this reminds me of.
 
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Sabres have a tough time committing to a particular timeline. Had they just decided 2021-22 through 2025-26 would be their best window from the get go of when they first decided to do a tank they would have been way better off. They do a lot of half and partial measures that see their share of quick rises but then fall back, rinse and repeat.
 
that's because you are a professional liar and stuff you make up like Sabres fans saying they are buyers because they aren't selling off guys who literally can be resigned and come back to the team instead of restarting over as if the Sabres didn't already do that multiple times.
Re-signed.

Another restart coming. Buckle up buttercup.
 
Sabres have a tough time committing to a particular timeline. Had they just decided 2021-22 through 2025-26 would be their best window from the get go of when they first decided to do a tank they would have been way better off. They do a lot of half and partial measures that see their share of quick rises but then fall back, rinse and repeat.
Exactly this. They draft Eichel and immediately go sign Okposo thinking the rebuild was already over with.

Then they have one season where everyone goes off offensively albeit awful defensively still and they hand out 7 year deals like candy.

They never did a proper rebuild and if they did, who knows, they could have landed any combination of this instead of that:

Eichel
Matthews/Tkachuk instead of Nylander
Heiskanen/Makar/Pettersson instead of Mittlestadt
Dahlin still
Hughes instead of Cozens

Obviously a lot of rolling the dice there with draft lottery, but the Sabres "tried" and still couldnt sniff that playoffs and drafted top 8 in every draft post Eichel. Hitting on even one of those still embracing the tank couldve been franchise changing.
 
Sabres have a tough time committing to a particular timeline. Had they just decided 2021-22 through 2025-26 would be their best window from the get go of when they first decided to do a tank they would have been way better off. They do a lot of half and partial measures that see their share of quick rises but then fall back, rinse and repeat.
Big difference...


After the failure of 20/21 season, they sold of their vets in Risto reinhart, richelle, and hall from 22 deadline to early 21/23 season.

They still had talent in their system from 2014-2019 drafts that wanted to play
 
What team in their right mind trades a 1C though?
It's not really a position you can trade for unless there is a ridiculously dumb GM. Unfortunately for Buffalo, that's really only them atm. The last 1C available was literally Eichel.
Remember Eichel wanted unapproved surgery for his neck. Doing unap po proved surgery likely voided an insurance against Eichels contract
 
Remember Eichel wanted unapproved surgery for his neck. Doing unap po proved surgery likely voided an insurance against Eichels contract
As it turned out Eichel was right and Buffalo was wrong. I’m no doctor but is this due to luck of the draw for Eichel or was Buffalo in the Stone Age as far as medical breakthroughs in that area?
 
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This tells the story of the season for me.

The young part of the core failed to develop this season and didn't take the next step.

Power isn't an effective defenseman and is bad at defending still.

Cozens and Quinn regressed a lot and is losing every matchup and even Peterka stagnated in his development. That's was supposed to be our 2nd line.

When Dahlin was injured they lost every game and that put them too far behind in the standings.

Highlights of the season are Benson and Kulich both took steps forward so I'm gonna get tricked into positivity for next season again.
I love that RyJo is sitting up there above everyone else playing and is still in the AHL.
 
if it wasn’t a viable market i’d imagine they’d have moved a long time ago considering how mediocre to bad the team has been for basically their entire existence. it’s clearly a viable market. they just arent good.
From existence till 2011/12 season they had been a very good team. I think top 5 or top7 in league but had not won a cup. Its just been this playoff drought.
What's first. Buffalo makes PO or Leafs win a cup?
Buffalo wins a cup before toronto does
Lol just last week Sabres fans ripping me adament about being buyers at this deadline and offseason and how they need NHL ready players for this team.

How is a fanbase that oblivious to the fast they're headed towards a firesale rebuild AGAIN and not contention anytime soon?
as I mentioned in som ef of their oddities this year....

Their poor PP and falling short with 1 goal deficits in the 3rd at over 75% of their L and OT/SH L games tells me confidence us a dangerous thing.

They font need much changes pi r additions and young players playing better

They need

1. a RD who shoots right who can play mid pair

2. A 2nd line center who is good defensively and can do well in faceoffs


Neither of these players ste at the end if their career

Some sabres fans want to blow the young prospect & players on bottom 6/ bottom pair players or players at the end of their careers who might be better than the young player now but not so in 2-3 years just so they end the playoff drought. Some of the sane people go back and complain on the trades tim Murray made in 2014/2015 where he traded prospects and picks for more established players

A big debate is how much control/ oversight is Pegula having on the Sabres vs what appears as hands off with the Bills
 
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