If you're that smart, maybe you can tell us what the deal will actually look like.
Friedman: Sabres preparing for An Additional Top Ten Pick
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Holly Crap are people overvaluing top 10 picks
you have multiple GM's on record claiming this is a more difficult draft than most with the season they just had and restrictions and scouting, and leagues not even playing.
you have multiple GM's on record claiming this is a more difficult draft than most with the season they just had and restrictions and scouting, and leagues not even playing.
I'll meet your sarcasm in the middle and bank on a package that definitely stings one fan base and doesn't satisfy Buffalo's.
You just aren't getting full value for a player who wants out, makes $10 million in a flat cap world, and has a major injury with an ambiguous prognosis. You just aren't.
Say all you want that they just won't trade him then, but the history of major stars being this publicly upset and vocal about it sticking around is not on Buffalo's side.
sufferer
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It'll look like every other 1C who has moved in the last 15-20 years. Look at the deals for Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Joe Thornton, Ryan Johanson, Matt Duechene, and Ryan O'Rielly.
It's not going to be a Lindros trade, it just isn't.
Empoleon8771
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Assuming Reinhart is coming with an extension, I think fans are overrating draft picks to suggest it would be a top-10 pick for Reinhart straight up. Using Vancouver as an example, the deal would probably be something like Virtanen, a B level prospect (Lind, DiPietro or Gadjovich to give a few examples) and the #9 overall pick. That's pretty in line with what the Jordan Staal to Carolina trade was, and I think Staal's resume in 2012 is pretty comparable to Reinhart's resume now.
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Eichel in this draft is worth 1st + 2nd picks by himself if I'm being honest
Obviously the Sabres already own the 1st pick and no team ever has both top 2 picks but still his value should huge
If there were 2 Swedish twins in this draft you could deal Eichel for the picks to take them 2nd and 3rd overall and still have the 1st pick
Eichel is a franchise center. If his back injury ruins him then it sucks but a healthy eichel is up there as a guy who can Crack the top 10 players I the league
Obviously the Sabres already own the 1st pick and no team ever has both top 2 picks but still his value should huge
If there were 2 Swedish twins in this draft you could deal Eichel for the picks to take them 2nd and 3rd overall and still have the 1st pick
Eichel is a franchise center. If his back injury ruins him then it sucks but a healthy eichel is up there as a guy who can Crack the top 10 players I the league
wintersej
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I dunno, talk to a Seattle fan, but you are going to be disappointed in the return. No team but the Quebec Nordiques has ever been happy with the return in these sort of deals.
So... With Virtanen included you're saying Reinbart is worth less than a top 10 pick? Or you're not aware of his most recent baggage?
Empoleon8771
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Virtanen had an awful year last year but to suggest he has negative value is pretty laughable.
He has 1 year left at like $2.5 million, which the Sabres can easily fit with the cap, and he has a potential upside that is worthwhile for the Sabres to gamble on. If he sucks, he can walk after next year. He certainly doesn't have much value, but he has value on his own.
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I have no problem trading LAs 8th overall, +++ as the centerpiece for Eichel. People say we have too many positional center prospects but putting some of those guys like Thomas and Vilardi at Eichel's wings, that sounds good to me.
I'd be willing to deal both this year's 8th overall and next year's 1st, no protection, to get this ball rolling. We have a lot of other guys like Lizotte, Moore, Wagner, etc. on the LA roster of differing values I wouldn't mind making the second and third +'s, maybe Kupari too.
Before any Buffalo fan says "no where near enough" keep in mind Eichel's salary/massive cap hit and recent injury history. There may be only a couple teams in the whole league who could fit that cap hit and we might be the only team in the league who could use a player like Eichel to build with (and thus keep him happy with a clearly improving team.
For those with cap concerns of Doughty and Kopitar plus Eichel, I'm not worried about those three players or their cap hits. I more am looking at unloading Carter (which we did already), Quick and Brown (and Maata, another 3+ mil), which these deals should end very soon in 2022. That money can be used to pay upcoming RFAs like Vilardi.
I'd be willing to deal both this year's 8th overall and next year's 1st, no protection, to get this ball rolling. We have a lot of other guys like Lizotte, Moore, Wagner, etc. on the LA roster of differing values I wouldn't mind making the second and third +'s, maybe Kupari too.
Before any Buffalo fan says "no where near enough" keep in mind Eichel's salary/massive cap hit and recent injury history. There may be only a couple teams in the whole league who could fit that cap hit and we might be the only team in the league who could use a player like Eichel to build with (and thus keep him happy with a clearly improving team.
For those with cap concerns of Doughty and Kopitar plus Eichel, I'm not worried about those three players or their cap hits. I more am looking at unloading Carter (which we did already), Quick and Brown (and Maata, another 3+ mil), which these deals should end very soon in 2022. That money can be used to pay upcoming RFAs like Vilardi.
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It has nothing to do with his skill.... More the sexual assault accusation
I don't think a team that has a lot of headaches is looking to add another in Virtanen.
Empoleon8771
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I wasn't aware of this, I thought you were just referring to his awful season. That makes a lot more sense then.
I was going to say he's like Riley Sheahan when the Wings got a 3rd for him, but yeah I wasn't aware of the sexual assault thing.
This guy will be lucky to play another game in the league
He is being bought out as it costs pretty much nothing against the cap
BigKing
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Reinhart to LA makes more sense than Eichel at this point of the rebuild since the cost won't be as high in both assets and cap coupled with the fact that natural wingers are a glaring weakness in the Kings pipeline sans Kaliyev and we don't know how any of the current center prospects will fare when/if moved to wing.
Kings can move the 8OA for a proven commodity that should still be productive when Byfield et al hit their stride. Allows them to retain Turcotte as well. It would help Byfield to have a good winger to play with as he gets acclimated to the NHL game next season so flanking him with Iafallo on one side and Reinhart on the other would be a fantastic scenario v. what is currently on the roster.
What more does it take than 8OA, if anything? Kings also have two second round picks this year and lots of prospects.
Blake would also like a young LHD so Ristolainen could also be of interest.
Kings can move the 8OA for a proven commodity that should still be productive when Byfield et al hit their stride. Allows them to retain Turcotte as well. It would help Byfield to have a good winger to play with as he gets acclimated to the NHL game next season so flanking him with Iafallo on one side and Reinhart on the other would be a fantastic scenario v. what is currently on the roster.
What more does it take than 8OA, if anything? Kings also have two second round picks this year and lots of prospects.
Blake would also like a young LHD so Ristolainen could also be of interest.
I don't expect this to be a Lindros deal. But I fully admit that we can get 2-3 good parts.
Empoleon8771
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Is this because of talent or because of the sexual assault thing? If it's the sexual assault thing, I totally believe it. If it's the talent, I strongly disagree with that.
Riley Sheahan had an atrocious 2016-2017 season with the Wings, where he had 13 points in 82 games as a 25 year old, but has still stuck around in the NHL every season since then at varying levels of effectiveness.
That's fair. So basically substitute Virtanen for another third line grinder
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I would have to think, it's a team with a top young player, and a high pick, if it's for Eichel.
If I were Buffalo, I can think of one team that would make me very interested to deal. That would be Anaheim. Big fan of Trevor Zegras and throw in the 3rd overall pick this draft.
If I were Buffalo, I can think of one team that would make me very interested to deal. That would be Anaheim. Big fan of Trevor Zegras and throw in the 3rd overall pick this draft.
A lot of those trades did get 2-3 good parts, but "good" is obviously subjective. I fully expect Buffalo to get that, but not three of the best assets another team has.
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