Sabres Management and Coaching Thread

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I don't know what you mean using the word factual. I know the salary for the team he's built is up to the cap and i know the team he's built sucks. I know, factually, a team that costs a lot and losses a lot is the opposite of what an owner wants.

You can disregard that request, heat of the moment kind of comment.

Ted Nolan was fired after 1 year of a 3 year contract. He's still getting paid. Nolan was fired so that Murray could replace him with Bylsma. You are currently posting in (or were before the thread got merged) a thread about the replacement getting fired on year 2 of a 5 year contract. You replied to my post referencing Nolan's firing in respect to patience from the GM. So now putting all of that together..... seriously?

Nolan was fired so we could hire Babcock. Highly doubt we would be having this same conversation about Nolan if Babcock was hired instead.
 
It's funny how these things develop. Young guy makes bad turnover. Young guy gets sat for a shift. Young guy comes back and scores 3 pts in the game. The takeaway? **** off, coach.

If the coach was well-liked - and 75% of the board wasn't such a bunch of Eichel-protectionist nancies prepared to go to war over every actual and perceived slight directed at Eichel, but that's a different conversation - they'd be talking about how it woke up Eichel or lit a fire under him or got the message through.

Good players sometimes get sat for a short period. It happened to Malkin last year. IN THE PLAYOFFS. How the player responds matters more, and Jack responded well last night.

Excellent points Zip!!! :handclap:
 
I cannot in any way fathom how whether or not Ted Nolan is still being paid by Buffalo in any way influences whether or not Dan Bylsma is capable of leading the Sabres to deep playoff runs / Stanley Cup or whether Dan Bylsma should be dismissed from the Sabres.

If you want to say Murray should be dismissed because he made a poor decision in letting Nolan go, or ineffective decisions in replacing Nolan with Bylsma, or was foolish thinking he could land Babcock, then say that directly.

Ted Nolan still getting paid is moot to the current coaching system and Bylsma's viability going forward.
 
I cannot in any way fathom how whether or not Ted Nolan is still being paid by Buffalo in any way influences whether or not Dan Bylsma is capable of leading the Sabres to deep playoff runs / Stanley Cup or whether Dan Bylsma should be dismissed from the Sabres.

If you want to say Murray should be dismissed because he made a poor decision in letting Nolan go, or ineffective decisions in replacing Nolan with Bylsma, or was foolish thinking he could land Babcock, then say that directly.

Ted Nolan still getting paid is moot to the current coaching system and Bylsma's viability going forward.

I'm going to step into dangerous territory and attempt to decipher what he meant by the Nolan contract reference. I think he was saying that since Nolan was released after year 1 of a 3 year deal the team should be willing to do the same with Disco 2 years into a 5 year deal. That Murray wasn't patient with Nolan so he shouldn't be with Disco either. Thats the best I could come up with and before others quote this and run with it. Thats my guess at what he means not what I think.
 
I don't. My point reflects what I believe the narrative would've been if the coach was better liked around these parts (i.e., "he's pressing the right buttons!").



I'm not sure how that changes the fact that his actions contradicted his previous comments on how he will handle Jack. Your post was basically a misdirection attempt, Lets argue about how unfair the fans are because they don't like the coach (and in same cases that is true). But Jack was sat for 1 shift and his game didn't change. So its kind of a head scratching stance to take in this particular instance. Had Jack played like crap for a period then got sat for a significant length of time and returned after that benching to tear it up. Then you'd have a good argument that posters were being unfair or overly negative if they focused on the benching. But thats not what happened
 
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IF Bylsma gets canned, who is the right fit for this team, who is the next step? Does it have to be a big name NHL coach or do they look for an up and comer with the right mindset to motivate a young core?I know everyone throws Richardson's name around and there are the NHL retreads. One name that has intrigued me is BU coach David Quinn. Good up and coming coach who has done well at BU. The Eichel connection would be a bonus but I think he stands on his own merits as a coach.

Sheldon Keefe is another coach that gets a lot of play but his personal backstory worries me quite a bit.

Who are some other assistant coaches, or college/AHL/Junior coaches that might be ready for the next step? I know Knoblouch in Erie is a solid name out there as well.
 
IF Bylsma gets canned, who is the right fit for this team, who is the next step? Does it have to be a big name NHL coach or do they look for an up and comer with the right mindset to motivate a young core?I know everyone throws Richardson's name around and there are the NHL retreads. One name that has intrigued me is BU coach David Quinn. Good up and coming coach who has done well at BU. The Eichel connection would be a bonus but I think he stands on his own merits as a coach.

Sheldon Keefe is another coach that gets a lot of play but his personal backstory worries me quite a bit.

Who are some other assistant coaches, or college/AHL/Junior coaches that might be ready for the next step? I know Knoblouch in Erie is a solid name out there as well.

Finish season with Terry Murray or Bob Woods. Search in offseason when more names are moving / available.
 
I'm not sure how that changes the fact that his actions contradicted his previous comments on how he will handle Jack. Your post was basically a misdirection attempt, Lets argue about how unfair the fans are because they don't like the coach (and in same cases that is true). But Jack was sat for 1 shift and his game didn't change. So its kind of a head scratching stance to take in this particular instance. Had Jack played like crap for a period then got sat for a significant length of time. Then when he returned he tore it up you'd have a good argument if posters harped on him sitting Jack. But thats not what happened

I didn't even notice Jack missed a shift when I was watching the game, until I caught up in the GDT later in the evening. That's how much I cared about the "benching". I just read the contradiction in the article you quoted, thought "wow that's ****ed up", and posted my reaction here without any intention of needing to discuss it any further or using it as supporting evidence for any ongoing narrative. :dunno:

I admit to not being a bylsma fan, but I don't think my reaction changes if that bias was removed.
 
Sabres' Bylsma say he's hard on young stars

http://www.wgr550.com/Sabres-Bylsma-say-he-s-hard-on-young-stars/23036048

Dan Bylsma raised some eyebrows after the Flyers game when he criticized Jack Eichel for trying to go through three players before the first Philadelphia goal. Many didn’t understand why he’d say that because Eichel had three points in the game. The Sabres head coach admitted he is harder on the younger players, “You’re going to hate this answer, but yes.”

“Jack is a star player, no question, but he’s a young player as well and he’s got to learn that and that’s a process we’re going through.”

Some didn’t notice, but Eichel also got benched for the turnover. Bylsma said, “Did he miss a few shifts after that play? He did and it’s got to be an indicator of what he’s got to get better at and our whole team needs to be better at.”

Eichel isn’t one to pout, even if he disagrees with the coach. I’ve heard him say multiple times in interviews that “I’m not the coach”. Bylsma said, “I liked the response, I thought he understood why and I thought he played pretty inspired and pretty passionate after that.”

Disco feels he inspired Jack to play better and more passionate with that one shift benching....... Ok then




“I’ve told Jack he needs to have five turnovers per game. If he’s not having a turnover, then he’s not trying to do the right thing.”

“There’s a time and a place for those attempts, but that wasn’t a good one.”

So be aggressive, kind of. Be safely aggressive? :help:

No wonder this team looks lost half the time.
 
be aggressive, make mistakes, get punished, produce points in loss

Thanks Dan...

DO THIS, RIGHT NOW AND ALWAYS, so I can use it against you in one of your better games. And try to point to it as a sign of my own ****ing brilliance.

Actually... only do it sometimes.

Keep it going!
 
Those responses just screams "I'm oblivious to what is going on around me".

You think the benching inspired him, and not the fact we were down 4 goals and he is trying to get us back in the game? You ever think why he tends to "break away" from the system to try and create offense?

Eichel isn’t one to pout, even if he disagrees with the coach. I’ve heard him say multiple times in interviews that “I’m not the coachâ€. Bylsma said, “I liked the response, I thought he understood why and I thought he played pretty inspired and pretty passionate after that.â€

Yeah, that's what he means when he says "I'm not the coach".

It might seem like he's playing passionate, but that's what a player looks like that actually cares about playing and is trying to win. You might want to check the rest of your roster and think about why THEY aren't passionate.
 
I have no worries Bylsma can do anything to mess with Eichel, kid has a lot of swagger and nothing will stop him from his daring style of play other than himself, he's smart enough to know when he does something boneheaded and also to know that stuff he does carries risk and sometimes it's going to blow up in his face. He just hears 'blah blah blah blah' when Bylsma talks, he doesn't need Bylsma to tell him what he already knows.

I worried about Eichel's motor last season and early when he came back, he wasn't engaged shift in shift out, since then he's come so far, he's involved 9 out of 10 shifts now. Why he's a PPG player over the past few months.
 
I'm going to step into dangerous territory and attempt to decipher what he meant by the Nolan contract reference. I think he was saying that since Nolan was released after year 1 of a 3 year deal the team should be willing to do the same with Disco 2 years into a 5 year deal. That Murray wasn't patient with Nolan so he shouldn't be with Disco either. Thats the best I could come up with and before others quote this and run with it. Thats my guess at what he means not what I think.

I read it differently. If this was the last year of Nolan's contract, that means that money won't be spent next season. So the financial implications of firing Bylsma now are closer to a wash financially. Instead of paying that extra money to Nolan for doing nothing we can now afford to pay it to Bylsma for doing nothing. It doesn't hurt our bottom line when compared to last year. It's like when Gionta's contract is about to expire and we take the money we were paying him and give someone else a raise or get a new FA with it. Like you, that's just a guess for me but it's how I read it.
 
Wonder who could replace Bylsma. I'd prefer an up and coming coach over a retread but don't know who is out there.
 
Wonder if he has the same control over Bylsma. (excluding Kasdorf probable signing condition)

I have no doubt that if Murray says jump both coaches had damn better say how high.
But I don't think he does it very often. And I often wish he would. Bylsma seems to need an occasional slap in the head.
I suspect he is far more hands on lineup wise in Rochester.
 
it probably explains why Nylander has so much ice time, despite his play

I have confidence in Murray, but no Bylsma
 
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