Value of: Sabres 1st Round Pick #9

[tsujimoto74]

Yeah, Wilford should have been shown the door last year at the latest. But Team Cheap kept him around for another go. *sigh*

Most money invested in the defense in the league, someone who got fired by his last team for being poor with their defense handling "Development".

*sigh*

This is such an un-serious team.

Me, every time I come back to this dumb, infuriating team:

 

[57special]

Just call Power a Rover. Power Rover. Problem fixed.

 

[Giant Panda]

He's also 21 years old. Buffalo needs to stop trading thier high end talent before they start peaking.

He's 22, only a year younger than Byram.

While they need to stop trading away their high end talent, they also need to build their team to win. When you have disengaged and soft players, you can't win anyways.

If a team offers a McTavish for Power type deal, Buffalo should look into it and find something that works. Byram will be a better option for their future, they got to get rid of soft type players.

 

[Beerz]

He's 22, only a year younger than Byram.

While they need to stop trading away their high end talent, they also need to build their team to win. When you have disengaged and soft players, you can't win anyways.

If a team offers a McTavish for Power type deal, Buffalo should look into it and find something that works. Byram will be a better option for their future, they got to get rid of soft type players.

Agreed but I wouldn't target McTavish

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

At his age and production on a line with one of the best centers in the game, he's not replicating what he did in Pittsburgh in Buffalo. I don't think he's close to 9OA given age.

completely agree he’s not getting 9OA

But he’s getting overtly knocked due to Crosby, SH%, usage. Its valid thinking- would have the same concerns if I was an opposing fan and didn’t see much of him. But he’s really good.

He was legitimately fantastic in all phases of the game last season, Crosby or not. Played C effectively in some pinches for us. Way way way heavier/physical than people realize. I think he’s a great addition to any playoff team.

Rust is the guy who is a usage/Crosby mirage imo. Rakell is the guy who I think is going to be a 25-30
+ goal, 60+ point guy with a great “B” game for the life of his contract.

 

[leeroggy]

Simple enough, what is the return on the pick and which teams would be interested. I have zero interest in this pick. Sabres, and specifically Adams, needs to make the playoffs this year. Feel free to add it as a package for something bigger if you like.

Pulock
Cizikas
Isaiah George

for

the 9th
Connor Clifton (to make the cap hit easier this year)

Pulock is the defensive-minded RHD for the 2nd pair
Cizikas gives you another depth option
George showed a lot of promise in his stint with us

If the cap numbers are a problem, take out Cizikas and take Maclean instead, or maybe a 3rd round pick

 

[DJJones]

I'd probably trade anyone on the Flames for a 9th OA pick haha

 

[macbowes]

To UTA: BUF 9OA

To BUF: John Marino + UTA 2025 2nd (46OA) + UTA 2026 2nd

UTA have an abundance of 2nd round picks between this year and next, and RD is a deep position for UTA, between Durzi, Marino, and Kesselring at the NHL level, and Lamoureux on the way. UTA could use this pick to add to a relatively thin forward prospect pool, particularly at C.

BUF gets a cost-controlled 27 year old RD, who had strong defensive numbers over the previous two seasons. He only has two years left on his deal, but that should be enough time for the organization to give him a reason to stay. BUF would have to move out one of their other gazillion dmen under contract, as they already have 4 dmen making $3.33M+ per year, and that's not including Byram.

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

Probably when he starts getting coached to. It’s a miracle this team didn’t ruin Dahlin with the staff we’ve had, but any young D at a talent level below that is doomed to fail here.

For a season or two of coach Freddy Kreuger haunting his dreams, it seemed like maybe they did manage to ruin Dahlin by trying to neuter his offensive instincts.

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

To UTA: BUF 9OA

To BUF: John Marino + UTA 2025 2nd (46OA) + UTA 2026 2nd

UTA have an abundance of 2nd round picks between this year and next, and RD is a deep position for UTA, between Durzi, Marino, and Kesselring at the NHL level, and Lamoureux on the way. UTA could use this pick to add to a relatively thin forward prospect pool, particularly at C.

BUF gets a cost-controlled 27 year old RD, who had strong defensive numbers over the previous two seasons. He only has two years left on his deal, but that should be enough time for the organization to give him a reason to stay. BUF would have to move out one of their other gazillion dmen under contract, as they already have 4 dmen making $3.33M+ per year, and that's not including Byram.

Been interested in Marino and a bit miffed every time he gets traded elsewhere for just 2nd round picks. Seems like it shouldn't cost 9th overall for him. Adding 2nd round picks this way doesn't really do much for Buffalo.

I like Marino and Pulock as possible targets though.

 

[DJN21]

Pulock
Cizikas
Isaiah George

for

the 9th
Connor Clifton (to make the cap hit easier this year)

Pulock is the defensive-minded RHD for the 2nd pair
Cizikas gives you another depth option
George showed a lot of promise in his stint with us

If the cap numbers are a problem, take out Cizikas and take Maclean instead, or maybe a 3rd round pick

This is essentially boiled down to pulock for the 9th pick so id pass. Not that I would mind adding him but thats not the price.

 

[DJN21]

To UTA: BUF 9OA

To BUF: John Marino + UTA 2025 2nd (46OA) + UTA 2026 2nd

UTA have an abundance of 2nd round picks between this year and next, and RD is a deep position for UTA, between Durzi, Marino, and Kesselring at the NHL level, and Lamoureux on the way. UTA could use this pick to add to a relatively thin forward prospect pool, particularly at C.

BUF gets a cost-controlled 27 year old RD, who had strong defensive numbers over the previous two seasons. He only has two years left on his deal, but that should be enough time for the organization to give him a reason to stay. BUF would have to move out one of their other gazillion dmen under contract, as they already have 4 dmen making $3.33M+ per year, and that's not including Byram.

Kesserling and Crouse is the base for me.

 

[leeroggy]

This is essentially boiled down to pulock for the 9th pick so id pass. Not that I would mind adding him but thats not the price.

To be fair, Isaiah George is hardly a throw-in, he played 33 games for us, almost all of which before he turned 21. He's going to make it, but we have a BUNCH of LD prospects and likely to pick Scheafer to add to that.

What would you offer for Pulock then? Kulich?

 

[ExtraLoveSauce]

I think brodin for Clifton and 9 is a good Idea we also need a 2c as well use a combo of Byram, quinn,jjp,rosen and ostlund could be enough to pry a 2c maybe Utah something around kesserling/marino+hayton for something around 9+quinn+?

 

[DJN21]

To be fair, Isaiah George is hardly a throw-in, he played 33 games for us, almost all of which before he turned 21. He's going to make it, but we have a BUNCH of LD prospects and likely to pick Scheafer to add to that.

What would you offer for Pulock then? Kulich?

Id trade #9 before kulich personally so thatd be a no. Honestly not sure itd be more in the Rosen or 2nds type range. We'd have to find a way to dump salary somewhere else just to facilitate the trade unless Samuelsson was going back...

 

[Selanne00008]

All this talk just makes me think they keep the pick. It's hard finding a trade partner, in particular ones that have available assets that do NOT have NMC or No Trade clauses. Not saying it can't be done, but man, slim pickings.

 

[FinnishCoyote]

I think brodin for Clifton and 9 is a good Idea we also need a 2c as well use a combo of Byram, quinn,jjp,rosen and ostlund could be enough to pry a 2c maybe Utah something around kesserling/marino+hayton for something around 9+quinn+?

Utah has no interest in trading one of our top-4 dman and our 2c for futures. We alerady are one of the most asset rich teams in the league

 

[toddkaz]

Whitecloud seems like an ideal target if Vegas wants to make changes.

 

[toddkaz]

All this talk just makes me think they keep the pick. It's hard finding a trade partner, in particular ones that have available assets that do NOT have NMC or No Trade clauses. Not saying it can't be done, but man, slim pickings.

Its also going to be limited to a rebuilding team since no GM is going to trade a top 4 defender who plans on making the playoffs next year unless he has a replacement stepping in.

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

I know it'll sound stupid but I don't think the Sabres have to make major moves. They were top 10 in scoring this season but 4th worst in goals against.

A quick look at deeper stats (not full on hard-core analytics) and shot blocking is a problem for the Sabres. Their best shot blocker this season was Connor Clifton, was was ranked 97th in shots blocked per game, and speaks volumes. They have 3 very good LHDs and could run all 3 each game on different pairs. Get 3 good RHDs whose job is to defend, block shots, and not worry about scoring and I think their goals against improves significantly.

Savard and Fabbro aren't star names but both were 10th and 23rd in shots blocked per game and are free agents. Sign both. Get rid of Samuelsson and the 1st in a package for someone like Weegar or Andersson or another RHD and that's a very different side.

Edit - Whitecloud mentioned above would be a good pick up.

 

[TommyDangles]

To UTA: BUF 9OA

To BUF: John Marino + UTA 2025 2nd (46OA) + UTA 2026 2nd

UTA have an abundance of 2nd round picks between this year and next, and RD is a deep position for UTA, between Durzi, Marino, and Kesselring at the NHL level, and Lamoureux on the way. UTA could use this pick to add to a relatively thin forward prospect pool, particularly at C.

BUF gets a cost-controlled 27 year old RD, who had strong defensive numbers over the previous two seasons. He only has two years left on his deal, but that should be enough time for the organization to give him a reason to stay. BUF would have to move out one of their other gazillion dmen under contract, as they already have 4 dmen making $3.33M+ per year, and that's not including Byram.

Huge overpay for Marino

I'd rather have Kesselring.

9th + Byram

for

4th + Kesselring

 

[DJN21]

I know it'll sound stupid but I don't think the Sabres have to make major moves. They were top 10 in scoring this season but 4th worst in goals against.

A quick look at deeper stats (not full on hard-core analytics) and shot blocking is a problem for the Sabres. Their best shot blocker this season was Connor Clifton, was was ranked 97th in shots blocked per game, and speaks volumes. They have 3 very good LHDs and could run all 3 each game on different pairs. Get 3 good RHDs whose job is to defend, block shots, and not worry about scoring and I think their goals against improves significantly.

Savard and Fabbro aren't star names but both were 10th and 23rd in shots blocked per game and are free agents. Sign both. Get rid of Samuelsson and the 1st in a package for someone like Weegar or Andersson or another RHD and that's a very different side.

Edit - Whitecloud mentioned above would be a good pick up.

Thats like probably lets be generous and say 15 mill in on defense and only Sammy out.....there would need to much more salary gymnastics done for this to be feasible. Any trade for Weegar/Andersson will have Byram or Power going the other way so it shoots your initial concept of running Dahlin/power/Byram on their own pairs (although it helps to account for the missing cap space i mentioned first). Clifton was praised by you to an extent then just disappears in this scenario. Lastly the chances Kevyn Adams can pull off the mental acrobatics of moving lets say Power, Clifton and Sammy and actively having deals lined up for lets say Andersson, Fabbro and Savard all in one off-season is just unimaginable. I love the effort and enthusiasm I just can't see this as at all possible....for Kevyn Adams

 

[BFLO]

I'd probably trade anyone on the Flames for a 9th OA pick haha

We'll take Weegar for 9th OA. I'll send the paper work.