Value of: Sabres 1st Round Pick #9

[Ace]

Why trade anything?

We fired our strength and conditioning coach.

We should be fine.

Coming off of the healthiest season they’re top players have had in decades.

Adams really solved it

 

[Jared Dunn]

Sure, fair point. I have no idea.

He could reasonably be the odd man out on the Islanders though and I don't expect the Islanders are a quick return to the playoffs. 1ov overall is a great get for them and pulling a top 10 pick for Pulock would be another piece in the right direction. They get Schaefer and a pick right in the range where their pick was expected to be and probably have a really good idea who'd they were after in that range already.

It's not like asking a guy on a contender to waive. Islanders need to get younger and add higher end skill. Least from their point of view I can see them being willing to make a move like this. For Pulock playing a top 4 roll with Dahlin, Power and Byram doesn't sound bad in theory. I mean eventually Buffalo has to figure this out. It's worth doing due diligence to see if a deal could be made with him waiving.

Do not think Pulock has anywhere near 9th OA value

 

[BillDineen]

RHD who is competent in the top 4 - leans heavier toward a defensive need than an offensive need.

Wouldn't sneeze at a mid-6 veteran winger with tread on the tire who plays a good 2-way game.

 

[crazyfisherman]

I still want to see a byram andersson swap worked out. If we can get the 9th in there as well then even better but we dont have anything else worthwhile to get byram+9th. I would try around andersson+coleman for byram+2nd?

 

[tsujimoto74]

I still want to see a byram andersson swap worked out. If we can get the 9th in there as well then even better but we dont have anything else worthwhile to get byram+9th. I would try around andersson+coleman for byram+2nd?

Andersson is not the D I’d want from Calgary (Weegar), and he’s probably not worth much to us without a contract extension anyway, because how many UFAs want to be in Buffalo right now?

 

[Uberpecker]

Fair enough I assume it would take something like Willander + Garland or Willander + Hoglander (Garland has more value but that seems like a steep price to pay) for Peterka........

If I'm the Sabres I'm doing Willander + Garland that's solid value........Hogs probably doesn't get it done

No from BUF. Willander maybe an interesting prospect but not for Peterka, who is an actual NHL top 6 forward.

 

[VancouverJagger]

No from BUF. Willander maybe an interesting prospect but not for Peterka, who is an actual NHL top 6 forward.

Buffalo says no to Willander + Garland? lol......ok then.......

 

[Uberpecker]

Buffalo says no to Willander + Garland? lol......ok then.......

Of course it does. Value is off and the trade makes no sense for Buffalo. Then again, the latter part has not stopped the current front office, so who knows...

 

[FlyguyOX]

Bah gaw, that's Risto's music!

 

[VancouverJagger]

Of course it does. Value is off and the trade makes no sense for Buffalo. Then again, the latter part has not stopped the current front office, so who knows...

Not sure how you say value is off? Faber + 1st for Fiala is very comparable......Faber was less highly touted though AND wanted to go to Minny - this is the same sort of trade.

You can argue you don't like it but yes the value is Absolutely there...........

 

[Satanphonehome]

Buffalo says no to Willander + Garland? lol......ok then.......

Value is there if you believe strongly in Willander and you think Peterka is what he was this year.

Thing is, the trade doesn't address the Sabres biggest need, or make them better next year. Garland is a good player, but a small winger is low on what the Sabres need.

And neither player is incentive to give up Peterka.

Think about what it would have taken to pry Brock Boeser out of your hands in 2019. That's a good guideline for buying Peterka.

Now if Peterka uses free agency to force a trade and it turns into an auction, it becomes a different story.

 

[Satanphonehome]

Actually, scratch that. Didn't realize Garland was a pending UFA.
Value is not there.

 

[LTIR]

Oilers offer Emberson for BUF 39th overall pick

Peterka on Draisaitl's line would be great but Oilers just don't have the assets even if becomes available.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Not sure how you say value is off? Faber + 1st for Fiala is very comparable......Faber was less highly touted though AND wanted to go to Minny - this is the same sort of trade.

You can argue you don't like it but yes the value is Absolutely there...........

Wasn't Fiala 25, turning 26, when he was traded? Peterka turned 23 just a couple months ago.

Also how is your offer the same? It would be Willander + 1st if you were trying to compare the 2

 

[VancouverJagger]

Wasn't Fiala 25, turning 26, when he was traded? Peterka turned 23 just a couple months ago.

Also how is your offer the same? It would be Willander + 1st if you were trying to compare the 2

Similar values........Willander a more highly rated prospect and Faber was pressing to go to Minny so value was a bit depressed. Garland's value isn't too far off of a late late first either...........People can argue about this all they like but overall the value is very much in the same ballpark.

 

[VancouverJagger]

Value is there if you believe strongly in Willander and you think Peterka is what he was this year.

Thing is, the trade doesn't address the Sabres biggest need, or make them better next year. Garland is a good player, but a small winger is low on what the Sabres need.

And neither player is incentive to give up Peterka.

Think about what it would have taken to pry Brock Boeser out of your hands in 2019. That's a good guideline for buying Peterka.

Now if Peterka uses free agency to force a trade and it turns into an auction, it becomes a different story.

Sounds like you guys are looking for bigger grittier forwards which Canucks don't have (at least any higher end talent ones to trade). I had thought RHD was a position of need for you...........

Yes Garland even as a pending UFA still holds some decent value.........he was one of the Canucks last year whom other teams were consistently asking about.

 

[MrLunatik]

One thought I've had rattling around in my brain is Rasmus Andersson + NJD 1st for BUF 1st + Ostlund and a cap dump ($3m or less no more than 2 years)

Although if we can change that NJD 1st to COL 2nd, I'd eat Samuelsson's contract as the dump

 

[is the answer jesus]

Sounds like you guys are looking for bigger grittier forwards which Canucks don't have (at least any higher end talent ones to trade). I had thought RHD was a position of need for you...........

Yes Garland even as a pending UFA still holds some decent value.........he was one of the Canucks last year whom other teams were consistently asking about.

Willander would be a great target for Buffalo. I think something around him and Peterka could certainly get a conversation started I'm just at a loss at what Vancouver would have to add to bridge that gap. I'm torn on Garland, he'd certainly be a useful vet we could slide into our middle 6 but I just don't know how to value him on a 1 year deal. It still feels light with him as the add in the deal.

One thought I've had rattling around in my brain is Rasmus Andersson + NJD 1st for BUF 1st + Ostlund and a cap dump ($3m or less no more than 2 years)

Although if we can change that NJD 1st to COL 2nd, I'd eat Samuelsson's contract as the dump

Yeah that doesn't sound so appealing for Buffalo. Andersson is a pending UFA. I'd be reluctant to move our 1st for him unless I knew he'd extend. There isn't a chance in hell I'd move Ostlund for a 1st in the late teens in this draft either. This kid is an absolute keeper. Buffalo doesn't really need to dump salary either.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Similar values........Willander a more highly rated prospect and Faber was pressing to go to Minny so value was a bit depressed. Garland's value isn't too far off of a late late first either...........People can argue about this all they like but overall the value is very much in the same ballpark.

Willander was drafted higher, that doesnt make him a higher rated prospect. Faber was pretty unanimously considered a top ~50 prospect in the summer of 2022 when he was dealt. Where did you hear he was pressing to go to Minny? I don't remember any rumours like that, he's not Adam Fox. At least with Willander it's well known he won't sign with Vancouver so if we are trying to say one player has their value hurt it's his. Also again Peterka is 23, Fiala was turning 26.

Garland is still just a strict downgrade on Peterka, that's not debatable.

Simply put your trade is completely flawed. This thread is about Buffalo moving #9 to improve their roster and your offer is to downgrade their current roster to add a disgruntled prospect

 

[crazyfisherman]

Andersson is not the D I’d want from Calgary (Weegar), and he’s probably not worth much to us without a contract extension anyway, because how many UFAs want to be in Buffalo right now?

Obviously it would be based on the assumption that andersson re-sign and coleman actually waives or else it would absolutely make no sense for Buffalo. In terms of weegar, hes too good and too important to trade. Im not even sure byram and 1st gets it done because conroy wants to keep guys like him around to teach the kids.

 

[MrLunatik]

Willander would be a great target for Buffalo. I think something around him and Peterka could certainly get a conversation started I'm just at a loss at what Vancouver would have to add to bridge that gap. I'm torn on Garland, he'd certainly be a useful vet we could slide into our middle 6 but I just don't know how to value him on a 1 year deal. It still feels light with him as the add in the deal.

Yeah that doesn't sound so appealing for Buffalo. Andersson is a pending UFA. I'd be reluctant to move our 1st for him unless I knew he'd extend. There isn't a chance in hell I'd move Ostlund for a 1st in the late teens in this draft either. This kid is an absolute keeper. Buffalo doesn't really need to dump salary either.

OK

 

[VancouverJagger]

Willander was drafted higher, that doesnt make him a higher rated prospect. Faber was pretty unanimously considered a top ~50 prospect in the summer of 2022 when he was dealt. Where did you hear he was pressing to go to Minny? I don't remember any rumours like that, he's not Adam Fox. At least with Willander it's well known he won't sign with Vancouver so if we are trying to say one player has their value hurt it's his. Also again Peterka is 23, Fiala was turning 26.

Garland is still just a strict downgrade on Peterka, that's not debatable.

Simply put your trade is completely flawed. This thread is about Buffalo moving #9 to improve their roster and your offer is to downgrade their current roster to add a disgruntled prospect

Willander won't sign with Vancouver? Ok then........lol. Now he hasn't signed cus he doesn't want to sign in Van? I love how these rumours start. Let's revisit this by the start of training camp (or even next week - latest reports are that a contract could get done in the next few days..........my god........lol)

You can dislike the targets but the value is there. Feel free to swap out Garland for Van's first

"Tom Willander is generally considered a higher-rated prospect than Brock Faber was at the time he was traded, according to YouTube video and a Canucks Army article. Willander was drafted 11th overall and is lauded for his skating, agility, and potential to become a top-pairing defenseman. While Faber eventually became a strong NCAA player, Willander's current perceived value and projected NHL impact place him ahead of where Faber was at the time of his trade. "

 

[Satanphonehome]

Sounds like you guys are looking for bigger grittier forwards which Canucks don't have (at least any higher end talent ones to trade). I had thought RHD was a position of need for you...........

Yes Garland even as a pending UFA still holds some decent value.........he was one of the Canucks last year whom other teams were consistently asking about.

Not saying he has no value. I'm saying any pending UFA has very limited interest to Buffalo, who can't be squandering assets like Peterka on people who they can't be certain will be sticking around.