What?
One of the TSN panels were discussing the 2nd round pick being a common currency in trades. The GMs trading for the picks usually aren't around to see the player play.
Confirmed with Link: Ryane Clowe to Rangers for NYR 2013 2nd, FLA 2013 3rd, Conditional 2nd 2014
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What?
One of the TSN panels were discussing the 2nd round pick being a common currency in trades. The GMs trading for the picks usually aren't around to see the player play.
Kakko
Formerly Chytil
Which is the exact opposite of what they did in the offseason, trying to replace single players with 2 guys
NYR Viper
Registered User
I think they had their eyes set on Clowe going back to last off-season. They saw what Prust was asking for, had a ceiling on it and knew Clowe would be getting 3.5-4.25 as the better player. They decided to go this direction. I just hope they don't try and let Clowe be THE guy in terms of toughness.
He played well with Stepan and Nash for a while. Time to stop moving hiom around and let them work through it. Creates depth. I forgot Cally
Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Clowe-Richards-Gaborik
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Bluenote13
Believe In Henke
You are always so sure, I will never forget that Giants draft and you being convinced that Pierre-Paul was an awful pick before he even played a game
So when you come here so confident that its impossible to draft a player, or a team that is overall tough to play against I have to call you out on it.This team needs are always addressed with overpayment or scraps on the market(Mashinter).
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
This year, I want you to post a mock draft for the Rangers. Not just guys that you like, but I want you to make each selection. Single player each round. Then we can evaluate in a few years. It's not important if you thought highly of a guy that ended up good if you would have picked another guy who ended up mediocre or less.
I'm no scout, and I can come up with a list of players before each draft that I like, that end up going in the later rounds, and that end up becoming good players. I also come up with a bunch of guys that no one hears from after two years.
I know you like to toot your own horn when you're right on certain guys, but are you ever wrong? I'm legitimately curious. I'm wrong on drafting guys all the time, and wrong on evaluating prospects. I said Girardi had no business in the NHL and I liked Jon Paiement as a late-round gem. Who were you wrong on?
When you do your mock, I also want you to make selections on the picks we traded away.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
He played well with Stepan and Nash for a while. Time to stop moving hiom around and let them work through it. Creates depth. I forgot Cally
Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Clowe-Richards-Gaborik
MZA-Boyle-Callahan
Pyatt-Powe-Miller
After the game they had last game, how can you break up Nash-Stepan-Callahan?
No worries there...Sather will still be Rangers GM when the player's kids play.
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
You are always so sure, I will never forget that Giants draft and you being convinced that Pierre-Paul was an awful pick before he even played a game
This team needs are always addressed with overpayment or scraps on the market(Mashinter).
I love how you love to cherry pick things, dude. Why not throw out all the times I have been right to counter-act the times I've been wrong? Classic Bluenote ad hominem stuff, though, to try and discredit someone who disagrees with him.
And who ever said it's impossible to draft said player? Now you're in the business of putting words in my mouth. Awesome!
I agree with nyr2k2.
That gotta be an extremely generous count.
That number isn't correct if you put any reasonable conditions to it, but even so, they still basically also say that just under three second round picks are worth one (1) top 6 forward (taking into accounts that some also becomes good D's).
If there is any spill of assets from a organization its not picks trades for players -- that's probably the opposite (ie it would make sense to trade more picks for players) -- but players not kept. Players lost to UFA basically.
Bluenote13
Believe In Henke
Yeah I heard, dealing ONE 2nd rounder. Not two plus a 3rd for a guy who is not a star player. He adds elements that are hard to find, yet how many teams have won the cup w/o one guy like this but overall team toughness. LA was tough last year, who was their Ryan Clowe? Dwight King, Kyle Clifford, Jordan Nolan - ALL ACQUIRED THROUGH THE DRAFT.
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
I know you like to toot your own horn when you're right on certain guys, but are you ever wrong? I'm legitimately curious. I'm wrong on drafting guys all the time, and wrong on evaluating prospects. I said Girardi had no business in the NHL and I liked Jon Paiement as a late-round gem. Who were you wrong on?
When you do your mock, I also want you to make selections on the picks we traded away.
Hell of a post, man.
I mean, I was high on Dane Byers. Look how that turned out? I nailed the picks of guys like Stepan, AJ Thelen, etc. and miss on some. ****, I was high on David Inman (I even wrote an article about him), Shawn Collymore, and Pontus Petterstrom!!! But then I nailed it with Prucha. And I am not afraid to mention that at all (yet you have Bluentoe trying to attack my credibility even though he should damn well know that I've never been one to always claim to be correct).
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
Funny thing is none of those guys are the caliber of Clowe who has been a legitimate top 6 player his whole career. The only guy that has a shot at being a top 6-er there is King.
Kakko
Formerly Chytil
This year, I want you to post a mock draft for the Rangers. Not just guys that you like, but I want you to make each selection. Single player each round. Then we can evaluate in a few years. It's not important if you thought highly of a guy that ended up good if you would have picked another guy who ended up mediocre or less.
I'm no scout, and I can come up with a list of players before each draft that I like, that end up going in the later rounds, and that end up becoming good players. I also come up with a bunch of guys that no one hears from after two years.
I know you like to toot your own horn when you're right on certain guys, but are you ever wrong? I'm legitimately curious. I'm wrong on drafting guys all the time, and wrong on evaluating prospects. I said Girardi had no business in the NHL and I liked Jon Paiement as a late-round gem. Who were you wrong on?
When you do your mock, I also want you to make selections on the picks we traded away.
Interesting.
I'll be following this discussion....closely.
gary laser eyes
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Don't watch Sharks games, but Sharks fans say Clowe has looked much better since taking 4 games off to rest a shoulder injury he's been playing through. He has 2 pts and is a +3 in 3 games since returning so that is mildly encouraging.
Bluenote13
Believe In Henke
This year, I want you to post a mock draft for the Rangers. Not just guys that you like, but I want you to make each selection. Single player each round. Then we can evaluate in a few years. It's not important if you thought highly of a guy that ended up good if you would have picked another guy who ended up mediocre or less.
I'm no scout, and I can come up with a list of players before each draft that I like, that end up going in the later rounds, and that end up becoming good players. I also come up with a bunch of guys that no one hears from after two years.
I know you like to toot your own horn when you're right on certain guys, but are you ever wrong? I'm legitimately curious. I'm wrong on drafting guys all the time, and wrong on evaluating prospects. I said Girardi had no business in the NHL and I liked Jon Paiement as a late-round gem. Who were you wrong on?
When you do your mock, I also want you to make selections on the picks we traded away.
Since YOU asked, I will do that
I'm the first to admit when I'm wrong about prospects. My record has been pretty good of late. My worst picks were easily pre 2005 when I was a young sproutling like many of the posters on this board right now. I was a big AJ Thelen fan in '04. Voloshenko & Lyamin also in '04 2nd round when we had 4 picks. In 2005 I was cautious about Staal, but didn't dislike the pick, was more bummed out about our draft slot.
Our #1 picks:
2006 - Grabner, C Stewart, D Persson
2007 - Pacioretty, Petrecki, Backlund
2008 - Karlsson, Eberle, Jared Staal
2009 - Kassian, Ferraro, Moore
2010 - Johansen, Tarasenko, Granlund, Kuznetsov, Forbort
2011 - Scheifele, McNeil, Armia
2012 - Wilson, Gaunce, Thrower, Vasilevski
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
Since YOU asked, I will do that
I'm the first to admit when I'm wrong about prospects. My record has been pretty good of late. My worst picks were easily pre 2005 when I was a young sproutling like many of the posters on this board right now. I was a big AJ Thelen fan in '04. Voloshenko & Lyamin also in '04 2nd round when we had 4 picks. In 2005 I was cautious about Staal, but didn't dislike the pick, was more bummed out about our draft slot.
Our #1 picks:
2006 - Grabner, C Stewart, D Persson
2007 - Pacioretty, Petrecki, Backlund
2008 - Karlsson, Eberle, Jared Staal
2009 - Kassian, Ferraro, Moore
2010 - Johansen, Tarasenko, Granlund, Kuznetsov, Forbort
2011 - Scheifele, McNeil, Armia
2012 - Wilson, Gaunce, Thrower, Vasilevski
He's asking for future picks. Not hindsight picks.
And first to admit? More like the first to try and discredit other people by cherrypicking out stuff from years ago, amirite?
Bluenote13
Believe In Henke
I was right about Byers, and Sauer for that matter. Two players with a history of FAMILY injuries. Thats cause I did my homework, knew these were too risky before they were drafted.
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
Byers didn't bust due to injury. Byers busted because he's a ****** player.
Sauer has been a solid pick even with his injury problems. Weird that you'd even include him here.
I also like the fact that you hint that I didn't know of the injury history when I was one agreeing with you back then about it adding to the risk. In fact, I was a proponent of the belief that Sauer was a top 20 pick if not for his family history and his own injury history.
Love it, man. Keep it going.
Let's hope he doesn't miss four games with the Rangers because of his shoulder...this rental is only going to play a grand total of 13 regular season game for us max.
Glen will be 70 soon. How many years will Glen be running the ship? On a serious note,Slats has prostate cancer. He is a very wealthy man. Slats owns half of Banff,Alberta. Life is too short. Glen should give the day to day operations to Gorton. Enjoy his family. Kids. Grandkids.
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