Value of: Ryan Pulock

[majormajor]

From the eye test alone, Pulock looked better than Pelech.

In what ways?

Pelech kept the puck out of his end better than Pulock did.

 

[miscs75]

In what ways?

Pelech kept the puck out of his end better than Pulock did.

Pelech also has next to no offensive capabilities. Pulock is the move mobile player between the two.

 

[Djp]

He turns 42 in October just about the start of thr season

The t yrs are 31-32-33-34-35

If he had 3 yrs he'd have value. The risk in yrs 4 and 5 brings that value down

 

[miscs75]

He turns 42 in October just about the start of thr season

The t yrs are 31-32-33-34-35

If he had 3 yrs he'd have value. The risk in yrs 4 and 5 brings that value down

For a guy who’s turning 42 in October, he doesn’t look a day over 32 right now.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

BOSTON
Though they should be adding a 2RD to replace Carlo, they may not want to spend the assets during this retool, and may opt for a lesser player

BUFFALO
Absolutely yes, they would love to add Pulock. They'd probably look at involving Byram in the trade, or trading Byram out to a third team and then adding Pulock from the Islanders in a separate trade.

DETROIT
They would want to add Pulock I think, but term could potentially be an issue. If Sandin-Pelikka emerges soon and is very good, they'll be paying Seider and Sandin-Pelikka a lot of cap a few years from now.

FLORIDA
Replacing Ekblad with Pulock seems very reasonable, but Florida is very low on picks and prospects, and it might not be wise to be spending what they have left right now

MONTREAL
They could really use a guy like Pulock, but they also have too many defensemen (both on the team and coming soon). Adding Pulock means that a guy like Matheson, Struble or Mailloux will be gone a year from now.

TAMPA BAY
They may not want to spend the assets necessary, and also the cap might be too tight until next summer when McDonagh expires

CAROLINA
They have Morrow and Heimosalmi coming, and they already have Chatfield and Walker. Adding Pulock looks good for the roster, but it also means that Morrow or Heimosalmi or possibly even both would be traded in the next year.

COLUMBUS
They can definitely use Pulock, but it means a guy like Hunt or Christiansen is the 7D and Harris is the 8D. They're a team trying to retool with youth, so I feel like they wouldn't want all these guys sitting in the press box all the time. If they REALLY liked Pulock, maybe they could move out Gudbranson?

PITTSBURGH
I'm not so sure that they would want to pay the assets to add Pulock, but they would indeed need a top 4 RHD if they're moving Erik Karlsson out.

DALLAS
This seems like a really good fit to me. Dallas would probably buy out or trade Dumba. Plan A might be to try and convince the Islanders to take Dumba back as part of this Pulock trade. Even if that doesn't work, they could find another way to jettison Dumba.

NASHVILLE
On the one hand, Nashville could really use Pulock, and he would be useful there for probably the entire duration of his contract. On the other hand, I don't know if it's wise for a bad team collecting picks and prospects to spend assets to acquire him. Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. I don't know.

ST LOUIS
Makes sense if Faulk is being moved out. Faulk plus for Pulock or maybe multiple trades by the Blues. It really depends on how the GM views Faulk, and if it's the same way that some of the fans do.

ANAHEIM
This is a great fit in terms of RHD, but in terms of D overall, the Ducks have maybe too many D to be adding guys. Perhaps then Anaheim sends a young LD or LD prospect in this trade. Would Zellweger or Solberg be off the table in a Pulock trade though? Perhaps these kids are too valuable to justify that (?)

EDMONTON
I'm sure that the Oilers would absolutely love to add Pulock, but they have a really bad combination of not enough cap space and not enough picks and prospects to be making a trade like this.

SAN JOSE
Pulock would look really good on the Sharks blueline, but I'm not sure that it's the type of move that they need to be making right now. Just adding Pulock, yes that would be good, but maybe it's too early on to be spending good assets to add guys like that.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

COLUMBUS
They can definitely use Pulock, but it means a guy like Hunt or Christiansen is the 7D and Harris is the 8D. They're a team trying to retool with youth, so I feel like they wouldn't want all these guys sitting in the press box all the time. If they REALLY liked Pulock, maybe they could move out Gudbranson?

assuming they re-sign fabbro and let provorov walk, #2 RD is actually the biggest need for columbus this offseason, particularly one who can pair with mateychuk, who projects to be a high-end activator.

pulock seems to fit that need,. but we also have our own pulock problem in damon severson.

his skillset (good NZ defense + in-zone chance creation) and flaws (overly aggressive DZ play leading to ugly turnovers) indicate that he needs a stay-at-home LHD partner, and we simply do not have one of those for him to play with. even if we did, it's a moot point because evason won't play him.

the most direct solution would be some kind of swap, no?

• they both seem like better partners for the other team's LHD than the ones on their current teams.
• pulock is better by reputation, but severson's advanced stats were far better this year.
• similar term and money left ($6.5x6 left on severson, $6.2x5 left on pulock) too.

seems workable from my pov unless the sole focus for NYI is to get pulock's cap off the books. but even then there are some things columbus could probably do to facilitate.

 

[SI]

For a guy who’s turning 42 in October, he doesn’t look a day over 32 right now.

A day over 30 - he turns 31 in October.

 

[DavidBL]

ANAHEIM
This is a great fit in terms of RHD, but in terms of D overall, the Ducks have maybe too many D to be adding guys. Perhaps then Anaheim sends a young LD or LD prospect in this trade. Would Zellweger or Solberg be off the table in a Pulock trade though? Perhaps these kids are too valuable to justify that (?)

What's a trade around Zell and Pulock look like?

 

[miscs75]

assuming they re-sign fabbro and let provorov walk, #2 RD is actually the biggest need for columbus this offseason, particularly one who can pair with mateychuk, who projects to be a high-end activator.

pulock seems to fit that need,. but we also have our own pulock problem in damon severson.

his skillset (good NZ defense + in-zone chance creation) and flaws (overly aggressive DZ play leading to ugly turnovers) indicate that he needs a stay-at-home LHD partner, and we simply do not have one of those for him to play with. even if we did, it's a moot point because evason won't play him.

the most direct solution would be some kind of swap, no?

• they both seem like better partners for the other team's LHD than the ones on their current teams.
• pulock is better by reputation, but severson's advanced stats were far better this year.
• similar term and money left ($6.5x6 left on severson, $6.2x5 left on pulock) too.

seems workable from my pov unless the sole focus for NYI is to get pulock's cap off the books. but even then there are some things columbus could probably do to facilitate.

It would be to retool going forward so moving him out and acquiring an expiring contract (2026 UFA) in return would be fine in my opinion but to trade him and get back Severson wouldn’t even be worth it. WAY too much term on his contract.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

assuming they re-sign fabbro and let provorov walk, #2 RD is actually the biggest need for columbus this offseason, particularly one who can pair with mateychuk, who projects to be a high-end activator.

pulock seems to fit that need,. but we also have our own pulock problem in damon severson.

In terms of building a good team that can compete, I 100% agree, but CBJ also has too many guys who aren't truly top 4 worthy (or, worthy YET) that need to play, like Christiansen, Hunt (who now is waiver eligible), and Gudbranson. If you're a believer in Harris and don't want him waived / unqualified, you can include him too.

You can go ahead and add Pulock, but it means only 2 of those guys are playing every night, or it means one of those guys is being traded out. I feel like Columbus is in a Montreal type situation, where they're now looking at becoming a better team, but they aren't yet at the point where they want to start trading out locker room favourites like Gudbranson or promising kids like Hunt just to be better right now.

Columbus fans would probably know more than me, but that's the way I see it from the outside.

 

[SI]

Would this be a realistic package from Montreal?
Pulock for 16th OA + Mallioux? Or is it more like lesser prospects than Mallioux?

Does Adam Pelech land a Columbus 1st? Or Sillinger? Or is that a reach?

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Does Adam Pelech land a Columbus 1st? Or Sillinger? Or is that a reach?

This Columbus fan thinks Pelech for Sillinger* (with perhaps minor draft pick compensation going either way) or Minnesota's 1st and a prospect (Hunt, Svozil, Ceulemans or similar) is quite fair.

*The front office has seemed enamoured with Sillinger, though. So if such a trade did take place, I suspect Del Bel Belluz would be the player coming back.

 

[majormajor]

In terms of building a good team that can compete, I 100% agree, but CBJ also has too many guys who aren't truly top 4 worthy (or, worthy YET) that need to play, like Christiansen, Hunt (who now is waiver eligible), and Gudbranson. If you're a believer in Harris and don't want him waived / unqualified, you can include him too.

You can go ahead and add Pulock, but it means only 2 of those guys are playing every night, or it means one of those guys is being traded out. I feel like Columbus is in a Montreal type situation, where they're now looking at becoming a better team, but they aren't yet at the point where they want to start trading out locker room favourites like Gudbranson or promising kids like Hunt just to be better right now.

Columbus fans would probably know more than me, but that's the way I see it from the outside.

The Jackets are now indeed in that position where the tryouts are over and they need to go with players who help win now. There are enough young players to form a core already established on the roster. On the backend, Mateychuk is the one young guy who will likely be given a lot of leeway to learn on the job, there is zero appetite after that for experiment. I look for the Jackets to try and do what New Jersey did when they brought in vets like Pesce and Dillon.

This Columbus fan thinks Pelech for Sillinger* (with perhaps minor draft pick compensation going either way) or Minnesota's 1st and a prospect (Hunt, Svozil, Ceulemans or similar) is quite fair.

*The front office has seemed enamoured with Sillinger, though. So if such a trade did take place, I suspect Del Bel Belluz would be the player coming back.

With his injury history and the term left, it sounds like the bidding won't go that high for Pelech, so perhaps no Sillinger or LDBB involved. I still hope to see Pelech acquired though.

 

[Chainshot]

He turns 42 in October just about the start of thr season

The t yrs are 31-32-33-34-35

If he had 3 yrs he'd have value. The risk in yrs 4 and 5 brings that value down

Good teams will use the years he has and deal with whatever happens down the line down the line. You constantly look for perfect - that isn't how teams work, especially winning ones.

 

[Djp]

Good teams will use the years he has and deal with whatever happens down the line down the line. You constantly look for perfect - that isn't how teams work, especially winning ones.

I look at data, anslytics, and ROI.

Most pkayers gave negative ROI when thry hit or pass 32 yrs old.

If I had my preference, I'd be better with hamilton and him having just 3 yrs left.

I prefer doing ELC-BR- long contract if 6-8 yrs ( till 31-33= yrs old) - after thst shorter contracts

Any trades value kn pullock must factor in the negative if thr last 3 yrs of that contract.

Just because cap goes up means you can absorb dead weight of contracts.

Don't want $6M× bottom oair_4th line/ pressbox players

 

[Gliff]

ANAHEIM
This is a great fit in terms of RHD, but in terms of D overall, the Ducks have maybe too many D to be adding guys. Perhaps then Anaheim sends a young LD or LD prospect in this trade. Would Zellweger or Solberg be off the table in a Pulock trade though? Perhaps these kids are too valuable to justify that (?)

I think it depends on the price. I would say Zellweger would be available. I doubt PV wants to move Solberg. The Ducks reaction to getting him is second only to their reaction to getting Fowler. They love him.

Pulock is obviously a little older then the Ducks would prefer, but he really is a perfect fit for their lineup and would move Gudas and Trouba to where they should be in the lineup.

What would the add be to Zellweger to get it done?

 

[Benstheman]

Would this be a realistic package from Montreal?
Pulock for 16th OA + Mallioux? Or is it more like lesser prospects than Mallioux?

Does Adam Pelech land a Columbus 1st? Or Sillinger? Or is that a reach?

I think I would do it as a Habs fan.

Habs need a stable RHD who can play 20 + minutes.

 

[Jared Dunn]

I made a thread for Pulock to Montreal proposing Joshua Roy + the latest of Montreal's 1sts for him, that might be a little heavy on value but Roy + 2nd is definitely too light so not sure what the sweetspot would be. I think he makes sense as a target for them and to move on from Matheson in an alternate move

 

[Jared Dunn]

Would this be a realistic package from Montreal?
Pulock for 16th OA + Mallioux? Or is it more like lesser prospects than Mallioux?

Does Adam Pelech land a Columbus 1st? Or Sillinger? Or is that a reach?

Definitely lesser than Mailloux, a mid 1st imo is pretty much in line with his value, so add a Roy/Mesar/Farrell type

 

[Dahlicious]

I'd definitely give up a lot from Buffalo. Can't imagine he'd waive, though.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Would this be a realistic package from Montreal?
Pulock for 16th OA + Mallioux? Or is it more like lesser prospects than Mallioux?

Does Adam Pelech land a Columbus 1st? Or Sillinger? Or is that a reach?

My offer was going to be Engstrom, but they're both valued around the same. Just depends if you want an offensive, 6'3 dman who has a wicked shot and isn't afraid to pull a Michigan, or a smooth skating, two-way dman, but left handed.


I mean a 1st and Engstrom. Not Engstrom alone.

 

[DavidBL]

I think the Ducks should be all over this, what would the ask be?

 

[Satanphonehome]

Buffalo and the Islanders might be good partners if the Isles are wanting to get younger.

Don’t have a strong sense of his value but a reliable veteran RHD who can defend and play 2nd-pairing minutes is a need for Buffalo and they have a wealth of young players with 1st, 2nd and 3rd-round value.

The Sabres would be willing to eat the latter part of the contract if the Islanders are willing to take a risk on unproven talent.

Despite what you may have read, cap is only an issue for those Sabre fans who actually want to sign and keep all their existing players to long-term deals.

Am I wrong to peg Pulock’s value as around that of a pick in the 20s?

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

I’d bet Sweeney would be interested.
Bruins have a hole at RD with Carlo gone.

Feel he’ll be looking for a fairly quick turn around so could be a nice addition to help thay

 

[lanceuppercut75]

I think it depends on the price. I would say Zellweger would be available. I doubt PV wants to move Solberg. The Ducks reaction to getting him is second only to their reaction to getting Fowler. They love him.

Pulock is obviously a little older then the Ducks would prefer, but he really is a perfect fit for their lineup and would move Gudas and Trouba to where they should be in the lineup.

What would the add be to Zellweger to get it done?

I'm not a Ducks fan so I don't know exactly what trade would work for both teams, but it's cool to see that Ducks could be interested in "Zellweger plus for Pulock", with Ducks wanting the "plus" to be really small and Islanders wanting it to be really big. But they could meet somewhere in the middle and both be happy.

IMO that's a really good move for both teams and their short, medium and long term goals. One of those semi-rare win-win scenarios.