Proposal: Ryan Pulock to Montreal

[biturbo19]

Feels like jumping the gun a bit from the Habs end. Yes, they're on the cusp...but they're still just entering the beginning of some sort of "window". I think it'd make more sense from their end, to just save their assets to either keep building up the youth, or package for something else...or someone else younger if they really do feel the need to accelerate things. Though really...why not just bring back Savard as a continued stopgap and wait to see what you get out of guys like Reinbacher, Mailloux, etc.? Sure Pulock would be an upgrade on Savard...but is that really worth the cost in assets and significant cap commitment to an aging and already "slowing down" player like that, given where the Habs are at in their process?


Just feels like the sort of move that backfires in trying to "accelerate the timeline".


And then from the Isles end...it might've made sense back when the Habs were expected to be picking a lot higher in the 1st. But as it stands, i don't think a mid-1st in that package gets it done. If Pulock were shopped, i think other teams would beat out that offer...even in spite of him getting older and slowing down. The market is just so starved for big RHD who can handle tougher minutes. Obviously his trade protections might factor in and eliminate some suitors...but i still think there'd be plenty of options that could beat that package.

 

[shello]

Would a Horvat + Pulock package around Mailloux + work instead? Habs have a log jam of D prospects and I’d be willing to trade one for some immediate help.

Although it’s still a tad early for the Habs to start selling futures

 

[miscs75]

Ryan "Fulton Reed" Pulock

Isles fan signs this and runs. Which means it's too heavily skewed towards NYI.

Personally i'd shop Pelech and Mayfield before Pulock but if this came for Pulock and the Isles aren't taking back one of those cap dumps Montreal fans seem to try to dump on the Isles, its a win in my book.

 

[miscs75]

Would a Horvat + Pulock package around Mailloux + work instead? Habs have a log jam of D prospects and I’d be willing to trade one for some immediate help.

Although it’s still a tad early for the Habs to start selling futures

Absolutely not. Lets stop asking for Horvat in deals and not offering quality forward prospects in return. If the Isles move Horvat, the Isles need more then Mailloux and fillers. No a 1st, another mediocre prospect and a mid round pick isn't enough of an offset.

 

[Scintillating10]

Trade before the draft-

To Montreal:
Pulock

To NYI:
Joshua Roy
William Trudeau
MTL 1st (14th-17th range barring a miracle run)

Have at it

Pulock solid hockey player but didn't want to give up that pick. Habs probably acquire a first from Colombus. Either combine all 3 to move up and draft Desnoyers or draft Martin, Spence and Cootes.

 

[shello]

Absolutely not. Lets stop asking for Horvat in deals and not offering quality forward prospects in return. If the Isles move Horvat, the Isles need more then Mailloux and fillers. No a 1st, another mediocre prospect and a mid round pick isn't enough of an offset.

I said + didn’t I?

If the Habs truly decide to win now, I’d be fine with moving Roy or a similar level prospect. Would hardly consider Roy and Mailloux + a filler offer or mediocre prospects

 

[miscs75]

I said + didn’t I?

If the Habs truly decide to win now, I’d be fine with moving Roy or a similar level prospect. Would hardly consider Roy and Mailloux + a filler offer or mediocre prospects

The issue is that the filler besides Mailloux would need to be worth it. Mid round picks, career minor leaguers and cap dumps with term are off limits for the Isles if you want both Horvat and Pulock. That’s the issue I have here. It’s no different then the Canucks fan who posted that they could get Horvat for Garland/Raty/2nd/4th thinking the Isles would even entertain that.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Feels like jumping the gun a bit from the Habs end. Yes, they're on the cusp...but they're still just entering the beginning of some sort of "window". I think it'd make more sense from their end, to just save their assets to either keep building up the youth, or package for something else...or someone else younger if they really do feel the need to accelerate things. Though really...why not just bring back Savard as a continued stopgap and wait to see what you get out of guys like Reinbacher, Mailloux, etc.? Sure Pulock would be an upgrade on Savard...but is that really worth the cost in assets and significant cap commitment to an aging and already "slowing down" player like that, given where the Habs are at in their process?


Just feels like the sort of move that backfires in trying to "accelerate the timeline".


And then from the Isles end...it might've made sense back when the Habs were expected to be picking a lot higher in the 1st. But as it stands, i don't think a mid-1st in that package gets it done. If Pulock were shopped, i think other teams would beat out that offer...even in spite of him getting older and slowing down. The market is just so starved for big RHD who can handle tougher minutes. Obviously his trade protections might factor in and eliminate some suitors...but i still think there'd be plenty of options that could beat that package.

To your why not just re-sign Savard point - you could argue right now that he is the worst of the 7 D on the roster, and could easily get leaped by both Mailloux and Reinbacher next year. If he's an NHL regular next year Montreal is moving in the wrong direction. I'm not looking at this as an upgrade on Savard, that is already likely to happen organically, I'm looking for an upgrade on Matheson, or at the very least a play style + handedness shift that better fits the roster assembled and can act as a stop gap to when Reinbacher is ready for big minutes

 

[Jared Dunn]

The issue is that the filler besides Mailloux would need to be worth it. Mid round picks, career minor leaguers and cap dumps with term are off limits for the Isles if you want both Horvat and Pulock. That’s the issue I have here. It’s no different then the Canucks fan who posted that they could get Horvat for Garland/Raty/2nd/4th thinking the Isles would even entertain that.

I don't think it's worth discussing, I don't think he makes sense for Montreal with the term attached

 

[biturbo19]

I said + didn’t I?

If the Habs truly decide to win now, I’d be fine with moving Roy or a similar level prospect. Would hardly consider Roy and Mailloux + a filler offer or mediocre prospects

I think the issue is that it's implied that the "+" is added to the Mailloux "centerpiece" and presumptively then, worth "less than". If it's going that sort of route, it'd be more like Mailloux + 1st + more.

Yes, they're questionable contracts given the ages and remaining term...and that may make them "less valuable" to the Habs. But there are teams in a window right now where they'd be willing to sacrifice a bit down the road for a big boost right now. So you can't just undercut the market price simply because the contract term liability hurts their value to a young Montreal team.

There is such a dearth of Top-6 Centers on the market and half the league is looking for one. So if you're trying to shoehorn Horvat into the deal, it's going to cost. And as mentioned...not just "filler" pieces as a +. More like...adding at least another Mailloux caliber asset, before getting into the B and C tier assets and add-ons and balancers.

 

[miscs75]

I don't think it's worth discussing, I don't think he makes sense for Montreal with the term attached

Even with the term, it’s not a bad deal assuming the cap goes up as predicted. A 30 year old in 2 seasons comparable to Bo will probably make 10mil AAV once it’s said and done. It’s just not smart right now for Montreal with all the young guys progressing as is and will be needing some massive raises. If anything, just get some cheap stop gaps for a couple seasons and hope the youth keeps developing at the current rate.

 

[doublechili]

Some Isles fans put him down, but I think Pulock would be a good partner for a highly mobile and talented LHD. He's not a first pairing talent, but he could play first pair under those circumstances and be effective, IMO.