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Value of: Ryan Murphy RHD, Carolina
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Dishface
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Since the canes bought wiz, Murphy has a spot on the roster unless we bring in another guy to push #6/7. Right now he is on our opening day roster. Before FA I thought he would have been traded for a forward, it could still happen, but highly unlikely due to having 12 forwards already looking like locks for the opening day line up. It has been discussed Murphy for Yak quite often on these boards.
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He'll be our 6//7 guy, but most of us have been trying to trade him for a comparable forward in a similar situation. Young, promise, but just doesn't "fit"
I know there have been a few Murphy for Yakupov threads on this board before. Maybe rehash that debate?
Bryanbryoil
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Vagrant
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He's probably one of the best skating young defensemen out there, but it's often not enough. He has elite puck skills and the stones to try things like weaving the puck through a defenseman's legs or to break out a spin in the offensive zone. He's not afraid of making a mistake. He's just afraid of getting hit. I truly think he was on the path to becoming a dominant defenseman prior to the hit he took in Kitchener. Kuhnhackl predicting his path around the net and just blowing him out. That was his first documented concussion and reportedly it was a bad one. He has suffered one or two more as a professional and it has made him understandably contact shy on the forecheck. I've seen him leave a puck to dodge a hit. He's just incredibly against physical play of any kind with the exception of the odd hip check. If he doesn't stick in the league, he'll go to Europe and make a killing if he wants it. He's a natural puckhandler and he's got a lot of zip on his passes. Creative enough offensively to eventually become a fixture on the powerplay if you can hide him at even strength. At this point he just needs a team to say they're going to play him a full NHL season unless he entirely dogs up the joint.
^ good assessment.
At this point (after Wiz buyout) I hope they just keep him for the year and see what he can do. Murphy's skating is strong enough to create separation on the ice. He needs to increase his awareness and build confidence in his ability over the course of a full season.
At this point (after Wiz buyout) I hope they just keep him for the year and see what he can do. Murphy's skating is strong enough to create separation on the ice. He needs to increase his awareness and build confidence in his ability over the course of a full season.
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I also question his hockey sense. The individual game (carrying the puck) and simple plays (being on a 2-1) come easy to him, but he struggles when it's more complex and with utilizing his teammates. Maybe it's lack of confidence, maybe it's related to what Vagrant said above, but his hockey sense doesn't seem great to me. I think the Canes may have to keep him. Due to the expansion draft rules, Hanifin, Slavin, and Pesce are all exempt. The rules also state that teams must expose:
That means Hainsey and Tennyson, who aren't under contract in 17/18 don't count toward that. Unless they sign another defenseman to a 2 year deal, they need to get Murphy under contract for 2 years and make sure he plays more than 35 games, or they would have to expose Justin Faulk if I'm reading the rule correctly.
Would kind of suck if Murphy does put it together this year and then they lose him to the expansion draft though, but it beats exposing Faulk.
That means Hainsey and Tennyson, who aren't under contract in 17/18 don't count toward that. Unless they sign another defenseman to a 2 year deal, they need to get Murphy under contract for 2 years and make sure he plays more than 35 games, or they would have to expose Justin Faulk if I'm reading the rule correctly.
Would kind of suck if Murphy does put it together this year and then they lose him to the expansion draft though, but it beats exposing Faulk.
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That means Hainsey and Tennyson, who aren't under contract in 17/18 don't count toward that. Unless they sign another defenseman to a 2 year deal, they need to get Murphy under contract for 2 years and make sure he plays more than 35 games, or they would have to expose Justin Faulk if I'm reading the rule correctly.
I think this concern is overstated. If it were something the Canes FO were actually concerned about, at-all...they'd have remedied it by extending Hainsey by now or making Tennyson's deal 2y. This is something the Canes can address at the TDL easily when there will no shortage of qualified defensemen available, probably at nearly no cost just so the trading team can create cap space to make deals to improve their roster.
He doesn't have the draft pedigree of Yakupov but Leivo has been a solid winger in the AHL and looked promising during his brief stint with the Leafs. I was hoping we'd keep him but it seems that may not be the case given our acquisition of Martin. Maybe he'd be of interest?
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His draft pedigree (not that it truly matters 4/5 yrs after it happened) is much closer to Yakupov's than Leivo's.
Before Teravainen, Stempniak, Stalberg, the signing of Aho and even Bickell... Leivo could have made sense but now ? Meh.
Before Teravainen, Stempniak, Stalberg, the signing of Aho and even Bickell... Leivo could have made sense but now ? Meh.
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I think you are oversimplifying that. Signing of players is not a 1 way thing. Hainsey would have to agree to an extension and why, at his age, would he do that? He's not going to sign an extension out of the goodness of his heart just so he can be exposed to the expansion draft. Unless the Canes throw so much money at him that he can't say no, but then the Canes are stuck with him if he's not drafted in the expansion draft. Tennyson is similar, but with less leverage. It's like when HF posters always say "trade a guy with an extension in place first". That rarely, if ever, happens because players aren't going to agree to that.
I don't think it will be an issue as RF will make something work, but right now, as the roster / contracts stand, Murphy is the only option.
Murphy likely won't turn into a Superstar this year behind Faulk, Slavin, Hanifin, and Pesce. Worst case scenario he turns into a great 3rd pairing and PP option, Francis ends up having to expose him, and if the Canes really like him they pay a 2nd or a 3rd Round pick to Vegas as payment not to take him. If they like Murphy they will find a creative way to keep him.
Hainsey: Mutual benefit. He's at zero risk of being taken at age 36 and he gets extended at a good number slightly above market-value when most D his age are fighting for their next contract.
This.
It shouldn't be difficult. The only think I think that is holding this up is that Ron Francis probably wants to give Hainsey the opportunity to go to a playoff team if we look unlikely to make the playoffs ourselves this year. Hainsey has never been, and adding a year or two to his contract at his age for expansion draft reasons would probably kill that opportunity for him. Our organization is very loyal to the players, to a fault sometimes, and I could easily see this as the reason for the lack of a Hainsey extension right now.
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Maybe, but some of you guys act like it's a given that he'll just sign. Players (and more importantly their agents) look out for the best interest of the player and to get the best contract possible, even at that age. Remember how "shocked" people were that Whitney didn't waive his NTC to get a shot at a cup? Remember how Jordan Staal turned down a $60M contract on a cup contender so he can play with his brother? We have no idea what will happen with Hainsey. Maybe if the Canes falter, he'll want to sign with a playoff contender so he can play in the playoffs at least 1 time in his career, etc...
Imagine if the Canes trade Murphy now, and come mid season, the Canes HAVE to sign an extension to either Tennyson or Hainsey to an extension to avoid exposing Faulk. You think those agents won't try to extort whatever they can out of RF?
I'm not being chicken little here, I am 100% sure Francis will do something to ensure Faulk won't be exposed, but I just don't see RF allowing himself to be in the pickle (of having to sign either Hainsey or Tennyson mid season under the gun) to begin with. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see Murphy being traded until / unless he has something lined up to cover that.
But it may be as simple as having Tennyson and Murphy fight it out for that #6 spot and keeping the other as a #7. If the winner proves to be an NHL caliber defenseman, is able to be exposed, and then is lost to expansion, that's the way the cookie crumbles
Personally, I still think there's another acquisition up GMRF's sleeve so I'm not really sweating it.
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True, but Tennyson isn't signed for 17/18 so he won't count as the 1D with 40 games and signed for 17/18 (unless they extend him). Murphy (as an RFA, assuming he's signed for more than 1 year or counts because he's an RFA) is the only one currently on the roster other than Faulk that can fall into the category. I guess if Carrick plays 40 games, he falls into that category as well.
I'm not sweating it either as it's a long way to the start of the season and, as I said, I'm 100% sure RF will solve this one way or another. It may be with another move, it may be playing Murphy or extending another guy, it may be playing Carrick 40 games, etc.... My only point was that I don't see them trading Murphy WITHOUT some other move occurring either before or shortly after.
Agree 100%. My guess is any transactions involving Murphy would be made to solve this issue.
Canes already have a few too many middle/bottom 6-ers on the roster. Any forward addition at this point should be 1st line upgrades.
ginner classic
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They should keep him for at least the start of the year and see if he can get his confidence back. If not, cut him or trade him later in the season.
Although I could see Murphy getting traded for a defenseman signed through next season and a late pick....assuming he doesn't show significant development.....I almost put growth, but he's not getting any bigger.
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His brain hasn't caught up to his feet yet. Still slow making decisions, which makes him look bad compared to some of the Canes other young d-men who are all playing a more confident game. IMO he is probably just a bit of a slow learner. But he's made enough progress I think you could put him out there as your #6 and not regret it, and there's always the possibility that with increased playing time everything will finally click into place for him.
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I feel the Canes keep him as he is the type of player who is more appealing to Las Vegas than Carolina.
