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Nanabijou

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valid points...personally I want him motivated to keep going, and I feel (my opinion) is that money is his best motivator. We all know the skill is there. I would rather a bridge contract so that in 2 or 3 years we're going thru this again at 24 and he gets "IT" then and is ready to be a leader. I see this being a maturity thing and one that can be fixed...

Well said. I completely agree.

What it comes down to me is what do we stand to gain at the risk of a fractured relationship with our future star player. If we're protecting ourselves in the event that last year was a fluke, then I hope theyve got a backup plan since there's obviously still doubt in their minds. Your star future player isnt one you should generally play games with, especially when theyre still this young and immature; not a good game to assume he'll get it and wont have hard feelings about it.

These bridge contracts are not new and it's on Joey if this fractures the relationship. The CBJ want the 2- or 3-year deal so that they still have some leverage on getting the next long-term contract signed.
 

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11th in goal scoring. Youngest 30th goal scorer. Assists numbers not 40+ probably because of his linemates - Umberger quite a bit, a rookie LW, an unhealthy Horton, etc. I think consistently playing with top line guys would push his assist totals up.

Perfect opportunity for a bridge deal to prove it.
 

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This thread needs more Dubinsky and Wennberg in it. I really don't think this is that big of a deal YET but it does make you think a bit. We talk about building a team with character and all that but it doesn't seem to come up when talking about Johansen. Like some of you, I question his motivation and am afraid what would/will happen after he signs that big contract. Just the situation and his quotes rub me the wrong way. If I remember right he had some "interesting" things to say back during the AHL scratches also that I wasn't a fan of.
 

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...If I remember right he had some "interesting" things to say back during the AHL scratches also that I wasn't a fan of.

Do you remember where you read/heard this because I don't actually remember him saying anything about the scratch until later this season saying that year it was definitely a low point that he never wants to repeat? I'm probably wrong, but I'd love to read what he said if you know where I could find it.
 

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I just made me go through today's posts. What a painful read.

The kid is trying to get paid. Maybe chose a couple words poorly. He wants to be in Columbus. The deal will get done.

Please let's shake this loser mentality where the sky is falling on every negative tweet. We are going to the playoffs. We are going to be contenders for the cup.
 

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he'll be good, but he's not a top end prospect...there's a difference b/t Joey's ceiling and Wennbergs

Disagree completely at the first part. Wennberg IMO will be a low end #1 C when he finishes out. While he won't be an elite 1 C like Johansen, he will be a very good player
 

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The CBJ also want the longest possible time frame with contract years, as 8 years is the max on a UFA (I believe new CBA). The Bridge deal extends our duration, with assets in return of him leaving. We want Joey to be a life-time CBJ and before the investment is made, the club must be certain. He will get paid, but one year is not the sample size. Many teams have been burned by this and this franchise cannot afford another set back.

Bottom line, there should be hesitation. RJ was not impeccable, as he made some poor decisions, live and learn. Pay big $ for two years to see if money affects him. Ryan has elite skill and could be the face of the organization, when it comes to all-star, Olympics, world championship games.

With Kane and Toews asking $12M, they are setting a new bar, as the last one was $8-9M (Sid, Geno, Ovie).There is new money coming down the line with Rogers deal. RJ is best to wait two years and then he is at $100M/8 years.
 

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I just made me go through today's posts. What a painful read.

The kid is trying to get paid. Maybe chose a couple words poorly. He wants to be in Columbus. The deal will get done.

Please let's shake this loser mentality where the sky is falling on every negative tweet. We are going to the playoffs. We are going to be contenders for the cup.

That is the problem. He is going to get paid no matter how long he signs for. In fact, he would likely make more money if he signed a 2 year deal now.
 

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Disagree completely at the first part. Wennberg IMO will be a low end #1 C when he finishes out. While he won't be an elite 1 C like Johansen, he will be a very good player

you're just arguing semantics now...he isn't going to be top end guy, he'll be good...like i said...not like i said he'd be a 4th line Dmac replacement...my god, its arguing just to argue...

Would you have said that about Johansen 1 year after we drafted him?

no, b/c a top 5 pick is supposed to be a top end prospect...and he played great at Portland...
 

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you're just arguing semantics now...he isn't going to be top end guy, he'll be good...like i said...not like i said he'd be a 4th line Dmac replacement...my god, its arguing just to argue...
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Wow why so snippy? All I said was I think Wennberg will be better than you think. Never did I say you said he was a 4th liner or a Dmac replacement but alright :dunno:
 

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Wow why so snippy? All I said was I think Wennberg will be better than you think. Never did I say you said he was a 4th liner or a Dmac replacement but alright :dunno:

its putting words in my mouth...I said he was good...just that he wasn't on Joey's level. so saying he's gonna be better than I think means you believe he'll be elite. Which i don't...
 

CBJWerenski8

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its putting words in my mouth...I said he was good...just that he wasn't on Joey's level. so saying he's gonna be better than I think means you believe he'll be elite. Which i don't...

lol its not putting words in your mouth. All I said was I think he'll be better than you think, not that I thought you think he's going to be a hack. I think his potential is just shy of Johansen's, and you disagree, which is fine. I was just stating my opinion. Jeez. :laugh:
 

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you're just arguing semantics now...he isn't going to be top end guy, he'll be good...like i said...not like i said he'd be a 4th line Dmac replacement...my god, its arguing just to argue...



no, b/c a top 5 pick is supposed to be a top end prospect...and he played great at Portland...

Where a guy gets drafted doesn't mean anything. Do I think Wennberg will be better than Johansen? No. Do I know that?
 

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So, anyway, about Johansen and the contract or lack thereof....

You know, if the team had just drafted Brett Connolly or Brandon Gormley like they were supposed to, this wouldn't even be an issue right now.

Clearly this whole thing was a long con orchestrated years ago.

:sarcasm:
 

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I've heard Johansen referred to as the next face of this franchise, so I thought I'd go back to see what the last face of the franchise made. After his entry level deal, Rick Nash signed a 5 year, 27 million dollar contract. A 5.4 million dollar cap hit. This seems to be the perfect range for Johansen to be in. It rewards him for his performance last season, but the Jackets pay for his first season of potential unrestricted free agency. So in the end, I wouldn't be shocked to see a 5 year deal in the 24-28 million dollar range.
 

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Please let's shake this loser mentality where the sky is falling on every negative tweet. We are going to the playoffs. We are going to be contenders for the cup.

Yeah...we're fans of an organization that has perpetuated losing mentality. We still are sellers at trade deadline and players still refuse to be traded here (Kesler/Spezza: Not that I wanted either). We're less than 24 months away from Nash fallout.


However, I'm not personally concerned that we'll lose Johansen, just thinking it could be messier than expected. Besides, it makes for something to talk about to pass the time until training starts.
 

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for the record..

I cannot get offended when pansy assed players do not want to play in Columbus. We need the guys that lay it out for the team. RyJo is a Blue Jacket, pay the man his money.
 

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I've heard Johansen referred to as the next face of this franchise, so I thought I'd go back to see what the last face of the franchise made. After his entry level deal, Rick Nash signed a 5 year, 27 million dollar contract. A 5.4 million dollar cap hit. This seems to be the perfect range for Johansen to be in.

And with the last 9 years or so of NHL inflation, that's about $8m a year or so. Not the point you were trying to make.
 

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I'd move past the bridge contract approach and give him 5 years @ $5.5 million or so. This would seem to fit for a player who scored the 11th most goals in the NHL last year. It puts him in the lower range of salary for 30 goal scorers, but such are the breaks of being 4 years away from unrestricted free agency.

I think that it would be important to have no clauses restricting movement. I think that would be a fair compromise for the term and the fact that Johansen went from could-easily-be-a-bust to a potential prototype two way center in a single year.

Someone on a Montreal hfboards thread listed the type of players to be offered bridge contracts vs. longer term deals after the expiration of an ELC. The better players-Subban being the lone exception-were all given longer term deals. I think that Johansen fits into this category.

Though there is risk in this approach, there is risk in any longer term contract deal. Jarmo committed more money for a longer term for Horton, and it's hard for me to look at Johansen as a less risky proposition with what I have seen from both players.

The Jackets need to get the deal done. The hockey finance Gods smiled upon them when they were able to part with Umberger without a buyout or any retention of salary. If some of the savings derived from this gift from Flyer GM Ron Hextall are spent in the form of a minor overpayment for Johansen, then so be it.
 

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And with the last 9 years or so of NHL inflation, that's about $8m a year or so. Not the point you were trying to make.
This is what keeps getting lost on people. Give him a bridge deal and if he exceeds expectations (which we all expect him to do), is this franchise willing to pay a premium such as MTL will be needing to do with Supan? Theyre already going to need to do it with Bob's contract next year. Do we really want to do this dance over and over again with our best players? Again, what do we stand to gain out of possibly alienating our best players
 
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